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I just looked at the graphs again.
The only dutasteride graphs that are reliable are the last dutas one (which is two pills I bought), the elite net (1 pill), and the avodart one (two pills).
The rest have too much noise to mean anything.
As for these three, they all have a saddle that starts around 250 nm, climbs a bit by 260 nm, and drops halfway by 270 nm. None of the finasteride graphs have this. That conclusively proves that the dutasteride pills do not contain finasteride.
Also, the saddle seems to be about 40% as high as the peak at 230-240 nm. They all have this peak. Both of these peaks are proportional in these three samples and are proportional to the dose, with the 1, 2, and 3 pills. That is very promising for the dutas and elitenet avodart.
Also, with the finasteride, I looked at the doses of my proscar and the hight of the main peak after shaving off spikes, and if you divide the dose by 2, you get the abs for the tall peak. It is proportional. I looked at the other finasteride graphs and they are all proportional too.
the finasteride graphs also have a low at 300 nm, about 1/3 as high as the left peak. Though there are spikes, the fincar the dash gave me is clearly real.
Well, UV is never conclusive, but the UV spectrum supports that the fincar is real.
As for the finpecia, one of them is too jagged to be used. I am bothered that the one tittled "beaner 2" has a low that is about 3/4 has high as the left shaved peak, instead of 1/3 as high. If you look way off to the right, where I cut off the graph, the absorbance rises steadily. It goes higher than that. That is because of all the white stuff. Further to the right is the visual spectrum, which starts at about 350. I wonder if some of the particulates in solution are scattering or reflecting some of the right side UV light, and the low dose finpecia has a small magnitute compared to it.
If this is the case, there should be as much or more absorption than the 2.5 mg proscar, which has 1/4 as much filler. Looking at the graphs, this is the case. The finpecia saddle is at 1.2 at the 300 nm. The proscar 2.5 mg is at 0.7. So the filler could be scattering the light.
UV light enters the tip through one fiber optic, is shined through the liquid, and enters the other fiber optic at the other end, about 1 cm away. Only aromatic compound absorb UV light, but the white particulates might scatter it. So since the finpecia has more "absorbance", it could be scattering. Since the proscar has a smoother graph, i would say it is dependable, and that if the finpecia had had a proportionately lower abs, we would know it is fake. But it is the other way around, so it could be the filler.
what is really intersting is that the blank had a few spikes of only 0.1, much smaller than the spikes on the meds. even if there were impurities, they would have round spectra too. i don't know why the meds have so many huge spikes.
I'm going to continue taking my dutas. but i think jayman is better off taking avodart instead of proscar as a back up since the price is similar and the avodart will complement the dutas, whereas the finasteride will not, if the the dutas is real.
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I was wrong about the dutas being fake. The difference is the large noise spikes. That means the tests are inconclusive, though in the last dutas test, and the elitenet test, the spikes were small enough to see that the graph looks like the avodart spectrum. however, aside from the hump at 270 nm, avodart looks relatively similar to finasteride, and the UV can only catch some fakes, but is not good enough to prove that a drug is real. The good news is the pills have aromatic compounds in them with the right absorbance level, which shows that whatever they are, they are not just filler.
I suspect they are real, but still want to do more tests, and see if i can do the UV again with less noise somehow, since i did get lucky with the dutas the second time.
Editted: after looking the graphs over at my leasure, i think the big spikes are just noise. dutasteride and finasteride have peaks at 240 nm on these graphs, but the dutasteride seems to have another peak at 270 nm, and it looks like the dutas does not have one there. As much noise as there is, and with the possibility of aromatic inactive ingredient, this evidence is not compelling.
Also, i must point out that these pills are not blanks. They do have some kind of steroidal compound in them that looks similar to finasteride. I need to check the IR next, for the dutasteride's fluorine bonds.
Also, the dutas in the last graph looks about right. The duprost has too much noise to tell in that graph. Maybe i can scan it again.
I'm surprised that the 270 peak is smaller instead of larger than the 240 peak.
the avodart was 2 pills, and one of the dutas was 3 pills and the other 2 pills. i think aplunk1's dutas is the one with 3 pills. The 4th got wasted in some water, and would not dissolve properly. It just made a clowd of droplets.
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A guy on here I trust mailed me avodart, which he says he got from a US pharmacy. I'll ask him if I may disclose his username.
I tested the other dutasteride capsules agaist it. Elitenetpharmacy seems to match it. The others have too much noise to tell, though one of the dutas ones I redid does look like the avodart.
I forgot what the Duprost results were, but their spectrum are saved in excell. I will post them soon when I figure out how.
As for all the finasteride pills, they all had the right spectrum, even the one from a guy who doubted his.
I did not have time to look at how much is in there, but I ground up a full proscar, half a proscar, and 3/4 proscar, and can look at their absorption to measure the others. I'll report that later. I have to give a report to my professor in 90 minutes.
The dutas was from inhousepharmacy that I bought and also from Aplunk1. All the other pills were from people I trust. I trust the guy who sent me the Avodart, but I am going to check the IR spectrum for fluorine soon, just to be safe. I'm glad I did not stock up on dutas before doing the test.
I tested everything twice, repeating the cycle, and even tested the blank twice, and tested the dutas 4 times. I'll look more closely at the saved results and hopefully find a mistake, but the UV Spectrophotometer is very good.
I just looked at the graphs again.
The only dutasteride graphs that are reliable are the last dutas one (which is two pills I bought), the elite net (1 pill), and the avodart one (two pills).
The rest have too much noise to mean anything.
As for these three, they all have a saddle that starts around 250 nm, climbs a bit by 260 nm, and drops halfway by 270 nm. None of the finasteride graphs have this. That conclusively proves that the dutasteride pills do not contain finasteride.
Also, the saddle seems to be about 40% as high as the peak at 230-240 nm. They all have this peak. Both of these peaks are proportional in these three samples and are proportional to the dose, with the 1, 2, and 3 pills. That is very promising for the dutas and elitenet avodart.
Also, with the finasteride, I looked at the doses of my proscar and the hight of the main peak after shaving off spikes, and if you divide the dose by 2, you get the abs for the tall peak. It is proportional. I looked at the other finasteride graphs and they are all proportional too.
the finasteride graphs also have a low at 300 nm, about 1/3 as high as the left peak. Though there are spikes, the fincar the dash gave me is clearly real.
Well, UV is never conclusive, but the UV spectrum supports that the fincar is real.
As for the finpecia, one of them is too jagged to be used. I am bothered that the one tittled "beaner 2" has a low that is about 3/4 has high as the left shaved peak, instead of 1/3 as high. If you look way off to the right, where I cut off the graph, the absorbance rises steadily. It goes higher than that. That is because of all the white stuff. Further to the right is the visual spectrum, which starts at about 350. I wonder if some of the particulates in solution are scattering or reflecting some of the right side UV light, and the low dose finpecia has a small magnitute compared to it.
If this is the case, there should be as much or more absorption than the 2.5 mg proscar, which has 1/4 as much filler. Looking at the graphs, this is the case. The finpecia saddle is at 1.2 at the 300 nm. The proscar 2.5 mg is at 0.7. So the filler could be scattering the light.
UV light enters the tip through one fiber optic, is shined through the liquid, and enters the other fiber optic at the other end, about 1 cm away. Only aromatic compound absorb UV light, but the white particulates might scatter it. So since the finpecia has more "absorbance", it could be scattering. Since the proscar has a smoother graph, i would say it is dependable, and that if the finpecia had had a proportionately lower abs, we would know it is fake. But it is the other way around, so it could be the filler.
what is really intersting is that the blank had a few spikes of only 0.1, much smaller than the spikes on the meds. even if there were impurities, they would have round spectra too. i don't know why the meds have so many huge spikes.
I'm going to continue taking my dutas. but i think jayman is better off taking avodart instead of proscar as a back up since the price is similar and the avodart will complement the dutas, whereas the finasteride will not, if the the dutas is real.
editted more recently:
I was wrong about the dutas being fake. The difference is the large noise spikes. That means the tests are inconclusive, though in the last dutas test, and the elitenet test, the spikes were small enough to see that the graph looks like the avodart spectrum. however, aside from the hump at 270 nm, avodart looks relatively similar to finasteride, and the UV can only catch some fakes, but is not good enough to prove that a drug is real. The good news is the pills have aromatic compounds in them with the right absorbance level, which shows that whatever they are, they are not just filler.
I suspect they are real, but still want to do more tests, and see if i can do the UV again with less noise somehow, since i did get lucky with the dutas the second time.
Editted: after looking the graphs over at my leasure, i think the big spikes are just noise. dutasteride and finasteride have peaks at 240 nm on these graphs, but the dutasteride seems to have another peak at 270 nm, and it looks like the dutas does not have one there. As much noise as there is, and with the possibility of aromatic inactive ingredient, this evidence is not compelling.
Also, i must point out that these pills are not blanks. They do have some kind of steroidal compound in them that looks similar to finasteride. I need to check the IR next, for the dutasteride's fluorine bonds.
Also, the dutas in the last graph looks about right. The duprost has too much noise to tell in that graph. Maybe i can scan it again.
I'm surprised that the 270 peak is smaller instead of larger than the 240 peak.
the avodart was 2 pills, and one of the dutas was 3 pills and the other 2 pills. i think aplunk1's dutas is the one with 3 pills. The 4th got wasted in some water, and would not dissolve properly. It just made a clowd of droplets.
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A guy on here I trust mailed me avodart, which he says he got from a US pharmacy. I'll ask him if I may disclose his username.
I tested the other dutasteride capsules agaist it. Elitenetpharmacy seems to match it. The others have too much noise to tell, though one of the dutas ones I redid does look like the avodart.
I forgot what the Duprost results were, but their spectrum are saved in excell. I will post them soon when I figure out how.
As for all the finasteride pills, they all had the right spectrum, even the one from a guy who doubted his.
I did not have time to look at how much is in there, but I ground up a full proscar, half a proscar, and 3/4 proscar, and can look at their absorption to measure the others. I'll report that later. I have to give a report to my professor in 90 minutes.
The dutas was from inhousepharmacy that I bought and also from Aplunk1. All the other pills were from people I trust. I trust the guy who sent me the Avodart, but I am going to check the IR spectrum for fluorine soon, just to be safe. I'm glad I did not stock up on dutas before doing the test.
I tested everything twice, repeating the cycle, and even tested the blank twice, and tested the dutas 4 times. I'll look more closely at the saved results and hopefully find a mistake, but the UV Spectrophotometer is very good.
