UV Spectrophotometer Results:

[CCS]

The only issue here is I was so sleepy after staying up all night that I forgot that UV spectrums are supposed to be smooth, not flat. After some sleep (and telling everyone the wrong conclusion, but also saying I'd look at it more later) I realized the spikes are just noise and I know what is needed and how to read the graphs.

I am qualified and will continue to post here on this tread when I figure everying out and have finished more testing, unless Cassin wants to delete my account.

I think JayMan has stated everying perfectly.

I am fully qualified to do this very simple test. It is also normal for UV spectrums to have noise, but usually they just have one or two big spikes, not so many that the spectrum is hidden. I'll just have to do more.

I'm not saying I can know conclusively, but with a few more tests done with greater care, we can definitely remove plently of doubt.

Even these first tests prove conclusively that the dutasteride pills all have aromatic ingredients and are not just filler, and that all the finasteride ingrediets have the same peaks and similar spectrums.

For everyone wanting to read them, you need to mentally shave off the jagged stuff. And if there is too much jagged stuff, then you can't really use the graph. It looks clear though that they all have a peak around 240nm and the dutasterides may have another peak half as tall around 270 nm, and many of these have a lot of noise.

 

[Old Baldy]

I understand College, but if you shave off the jagged points on the Avodart graphs you get to around 200 or less don't you?

See, that's what I mean when one guy sees the graph this way and another guy sees the graph that way.

Cassin: Would the manufactuers be angry if we emailed them these graphs and asked for an explanation. They are making money off of us afterall.

I mean, give them a chance to answer our concerns without making conclusions. As long as we give them a chance... well you know what I mean.

 

[Cassin]

Alright guys...I have said all there is that I want to on this.

I think I have made my point. You don't have to agree with me but I feel everything I said is right.

 

[Cassin]

unless Cassin wants to delete my account.

Of course not.

 

[Guest]

Cassin: Would the manufactuers be angry if we emailed them these graphs and asked for an explanation. They are making money off of us afterall.

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I know you addressed this to Cassin but i feel like dr reddy's wouldn't put much faith in these unless they were conducted by someone with a Ph.D. maybe a master's.

 

[CCS]

old baldy,

If the spikes are close enough together that they overlap, then there is no way to know where the real curve is. The duprost graph is worthless for that reason. However, on some of the graphs we can see some horizonatal curve that lines up with other small streatches between the peaks in a non-random way. On those graphs, we can cut off the peaks and get pretty good ideas of what is going on.

You can send the graphs to manufactures, but they will say the same thing, that the graphs are of low quality and do not show the meds to be fake and that the only ones that are kind of clear look like the graphs of the known real drugs. They will also point out that the graphs show that the pills are not blanks, and at least have something aromatic in them.

 

[Old Baldy]

I see, ok. Thanks for the info.

 

[CCS]

had I not been so sleepy, I would have known that was just noise, and would have redone them all a few times and maybe the noise would have been on a different part the next time and we could piece it all together. i can still get access. I still have the samples.

 

[CCS]

I just looked at the graphs again.

The only dutasteride graphs that are reliable are the last dutas one (which is two pills I bought), the elite net (1 pill), and the avodart one (two pills).

The rest have too much noise to mean anything.

As for these three, they all have a saddle that starts around 250 nm, climbs a bit by 260 nm, and drops halfway by 270 nm. None of the finasteride graphs have this. That conclusively proves that the dutasteride pills do not contain finasteride.

Also, the saddle seems to be about 40% as high as the peak at 230-240 nm. They all have this peak. Both of these peaks are proportional in these three samples and are proportional to the dose, with the 1, 2, and 3 pills. That is very promising for the dutas and elitenet avodart.

Also, with the finasteride, I looked at the doses of my proscar and the hight of the main peak after shaving off spikes, and if you divide the dose by 2, you get the abs for the tall peak. It is proportional. I looked at the other finasteride graphs and they are all proportional too.

the finasteride graphs also have a low at 300 nm, about 1/3 as high as the left peak. Though there are spikes, the fincar the dash gave me is clearly real.

Well, UV is never conclusive, but the UV spectrum supports that the fincar is real.

As for the finpecia, one of them is too jagged to be used. I am bothered that the one tittled "beaner 2" has a low that is about 3/4 has high as the left shaved peak, instead of 1/3 as high. If you look way off to the right, where I cut off the graph, the absorbance rises steadily. It goes higher than that. That is because of all the white stuff. Further to the right is the visual spectrum, which starts at about 350. I wonder if some of the particulates in solution are scattering or reflecting some of the right side UV light, and the low dose finpecia has a small magnitute compared to it.
If this is the case, there should be as much or more absorption than the 2.5 mg proscar, which has 1/4 as much filler. Looking at the graphs, this is the case. The finpecia saddle is at 1.2 at the 300 nm. The proscar 2.5 mg is at 0.7. So the filler could be scattering the light.

UV light enters the tip through one fiber optic, is shined through the liquid, and enters the other fiber optic at the other end, about 1 cm away. Only aromatic compound absorb UV light, but the white particulates might scatter it. So since the finpecia has more "absorbance", it could be scattering. Since the proscar has a smoother graph, i would say it is dependable, and that if the finpecia had had a proportionately lower abs, we would know it is fake. But it is the other way around, so it could be the filler.

what is really intersting is that the blank had a few spikes of only 0.1, much smaller than the spikes on the meds. even if there were impurities, they would have round spectra too. i don't know why the meds have so many huge spikes.

I'm going to continue taking my dutas. but i think jayman is better off taking avodart instead of proscar as a back up since the price is similar and the avodart will complement the dutas, whereas the finasteride will not, if the the dutas is real.

 

[hairwegoagain]

I think the graph spikes are actually the residual feces from underneath the left hand fingernails of the Indian workers who made the pills.

I believe my analysis (similarly qualified, if not moreso) is every bit as valid as others in this thread.



Hairwegoagain

 

[CCS]

damn. If the particulates are absorbing or reflecting light in the 300-350 nm range, and the dutasteride samples don't have them, then that would explain the difference in the graphs between dutasteride and finasteride. That could mean they both have the same graph. This does not prove the dutasteride is finasteride, but it does show that we can't know if it is dutasteride just from using the UV.

I'm a bit bothered that 1 mg of dutasteride has the same absorbance as about 5 mg of finasteride. i woud think the dutasteride would have less absorbance. however, the benzene ring could explain that. The ring is probably 2 or 3 times as absorbing as the rest of the molecule. I just thought it would be in a different location. it probably is the 270 nm peak.

one piece of good news is the whole dutastide peak is completely to the left of the 250 nm mark, and probably near 225 or 230. The finasteride peak is near 235, but does not really drop off until about 270 or 280.




Important graph reading lesson: on a graph that is not supposed to be spiked, you know you are near a peak or a valley when the non-spike points look like they are flattening out. If they are at a 45 degree angle, that means you have to go up more in that direction. Do not assume the peak is somewhere under the highest spike. Look at the areas between peaks and see how flat they look. I don't mean smooth, though that is important too. I mean horizontal. If you can't see a horizontal area, but you see an area that slopes up at 45 degrees, and another area that slopes down at 45 degrees, then you know the peak is between the two.

 

[Guest]

I think the graph spikes are actually the residual feces from underneath the left hand fingernails of the Indian workers who made the pills.

I believe my analysis (similarly qualified, if not moreso) is every bit as valid as others in this thread.



Hairwegoagain

yes we get it. you think Indians are disgusting. no need to post it over and over in slightly differing forms.

 

[techprof]

perhaps hairwegoagain should stop using computers, windows and all software stuff as they are programmed by Indian professionals and he could smell sh*t from the fingers used by the professionals while programming the codes sitting 3000 miles away.

 

[Guest]

tech,

maybe he's a former software engineer who lost his job to an Indian who could do the job better for half his salary.

 

[hairwegoagain]

No, I don't dislike Indians. I do, however, wish to dissuade guys from buying would-be pharmaceuticals from 3rd world countries. If it's the knowledge of general hygeine shortcomings that does it, so be it.

LOL I'm not a Windows engineer. Believe me - it's not a product I'd brag about. The outsourcing of labor is something best left for a unique thread.

 

[techprof]

hairwego,

i didn't mean to be harsh. Having born from India (I use the bath tissues btw), I don't see the entire India changing to tissues.
The poor people won't have the facility to flush tissues. (Not that the tissues are very cheap in India either).

They still and probably will use the oldern style toilets for a long time. However you can be assured that everyone washes their hands afterwards with a antibacterial soap.

 

[Guest]

hairwego again,

techprof just humbled you.

 

[htownballa]

Hairwegoagain is being bigoted. Techprof I'm actually surprised at how much restraint you showed in your response, and he didnt even apologise. Act more mature hairwegoagain!

 

[hairwegoagain]

Nonsense. I am extremely biased, however, against drugs of questionable origin that are purchased by young men over the internet. YES, that includes those from India.

Techprof, I'm sorry you felt indicted by my post. That was certainly not my intent - I apologize.

I will not apologize for stating the facts, however. If they make someone think twice about blindly ordering Indian drugs from an anonymous source w/no prescription and no doctor's supervision, great!