Theory: Cooked Fat =DHT(Dihydrotestosterone) Baldness

[bubka]

yeah, having hair makes me depressed... you guys on here give me irritability

 

[wookster]

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/botren ... id=1637346

Human or rat microsomal 5 alpha-reductase activity, as measured by enzymic conversion of testosterone into 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone or by binding of a competitive inhibitor, [3H]17 beta-NN-diethulcarbamoyl-4-methyl-4-aza-5 alpha-androstan-3-one ([3H]4-MA) to the reductase, is inhibited by low concentrations (less than 10 microM) of certain polyunsaturated fatty acids. The relative inhibitory potencies of unsaturated fatty acids are, in decreasing order: gamma-linolenic acid greater than cis-4,7,10,13,16,19-docosahexaenoic acid = cis-6,9,12,15-octatetraenoic acid = arachidonic acid = alpha-linolenic acid greater than linoleic acid greater than palmitoleic acid greater than oleic acid greater than myristoleic acid.

 

[Bryan]

So are you going to start using Revivogen, wookster? :wink:

Bryan

 

[wookster]

So are you going to start using Revivogen, wookster? :wink:

Bryan

Possibly :ideias:

 

[Guest]

michael barry knows his sh*t.

he, docj, and bryan probably know more than anyone else on the site about hair loss and the biological processes behind it. so i've acquired some of their knowledge.

i've read every single one of their posts on here thanks to the search function.

 

[Guest]

yeah, having hair makes me depressed... you guys on here give me irritability

hahahah! ditto

 

[abcdefg]

Alex the derm that made revivogen told me that science doesnt fully understand dhts role in the brain. You have to believe DHT could have an effect on depression among other things.

 

[Bryan]

Umm...you also have to keep in mind that any (alleged) negative effect of finasteride/dutasteride on the brain may not necessarily have to do with reducing DHT. It may have to do with stopping the other conversions that the enzyme performs, like converting progesterone to dihydroprogesterone, among other reactions.

Bryan

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

I sense a very strong defence of use of hair loss drugs on this forum. Its almost like people are trying to reassure themselves they're doing the right thing by popping pills and will say anything to try to convince themselves and others that they are right.

Imo, baldness is a symptom of an hormonal imbalance and that the best way to counter baldness is to balance hormones. I don't feel use of deleterious drugs achieves this.

 

[person_123]

I sense a very strong defence of use of hair loss drugs on this forum. Its almost like people are trying to reassure themselves they're doing the right thing by popping pills and will say anything to try to convince themselves and others that they are right.

Imo, baldness is a symptom of an hormonal imbalance and that the best way to counter baldness is to balance hormones. I don't feel use of deleterious drugs achieves this.

Your right, people are defending the drugs because they either worked for them, or we're hoping the drugs will work for us soon.

 

[s.a.f]

Its nothing to do with hormonal imbalance, its genetics :roll: . :lol:
All the nw1's must have perfect diets etc then :roll: .
M.p.b occurs because your follicles are not resistant to d.h.t in the way that most peoples are this is how you were born.
You have the same hormones in you as all other males but unfortunatly you also have the genes that cause m.p.b.
You'd better understand this and stop making other excuses, trying to change your 'hormone imbalance' by altering your diet/ health wont get you anywhere but bald.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Its nothing to do with hormonal imbalance, its genetics :roll: . :lol:

Yes but where the genes are present for male pattern baldness, hormonal balance is the determining factor.

Everyone that argues is either on Propecia or has invested in drugs.

Even doctors say its down to hormonal imblance.

 

[docj077]

Its nothing to do with hormonal imbalance, its genetics :roll: . :lol:

Yes but where the genes are present for male pattern baldness, hormonal balance is the determining factor.

Everyone that argues is either on Propecia or has invested in drugs.

Even doctors say its down to hormonal imblance.

I'm not on propecia and I have not invested in any drug company.

Personally, I think you're full of crap.

I'm a semi-vegetarian, so the only meat I've decided to eat is turkey, chicken, and fish. I consume around 2,300 calories per day, which is normal for me. I only buy low sodium and low fat foods that also happen to be high in protein and other essential nutrients.

My LDL is 100, my HDL is 45, and my triglycerides are 35. My diet has been this way for most of my life and yet I'm a NW2, which will likely progress to NW3, or so.

And, no, there isn't a single skilled physician in this country that will tell you that male pattern baldness is the result of hormonal imbalance. Even the most skilled of dermatologists will point out that in a normal person with normal physiology there is no possible way that a hormonal imbalance can occur without an abnormal pathology taking place in the human body. There is such thing as hair loss due to hormonal imbalance, but that's not male pattern baldness.

 

[Bryan]

I sense a very strong defence of use of hair loss drugs on this forum. Its almost like people are trying to reassure themselves they're doing the right thing by popping pills and will say anything to try to convince themselves and others that they are right.

Imo, baldness is a symptom of an hormonal imbalance and that the best way to counter baldness is to balance hormones. I don't feel use of deleterious drugs achieves this.

The use of hair loss drugs is scientifically PROVEN to help fight balding. Your dietary theory isn't proven to help at all, much less that it's supposedly "the best way". That's pretty much the whole story, right there in a nutshell.

Bryan

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

The use of hair loss drugs is scientifically PROVEN to help fight balding. Your dietary theory isn't proven to help at all, much less that it's supposedly "the best way". That's pretty much the whole story, right there in a nutshell.

Bryan

The use of soy is scientifically proven to stop balding too. whats your point?

Good hair is a sign of hormonal health.

 

[abcdefg]

Yeah for some reason messing up your hormones with propecia is the most effective way to stop male pattern baldness as of today. I still have a hard time believing science knows enough to alter the hormones of anyone and say what the consequences will be.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Yeah for some reason messing up your hormones with propecia is the most effective way to stop male pattern baldness as of today. I still have a hard time believing science knows enough to alter the hormones of anyone and say what the consequences will be.

ITs the only one clinically tested because its a drug and can be patented.

Finisteride is worth ALOT of money to drug companies.

I don't get why for example soy isn't tested over a longer period if it really is able to stop DHT attaching to the follicles.

 

[Pondle]

Whether you take the drugs or not is a personal choice. If anyone feels the risk is too high, fine - then they must live with the consequences (i.e. hair loss). If anyone feels that retaining hair isn't worth the cost, risk or time necessary to use proven treatments, then what on Earth are they doing on a hair loss forum anyway?

I can't understand the bizarre advocacy of dietary regimes to tackle hair loss. If there's robust medical evidence on this I would be prepared to change my mind, but I've never seen anyone cite any. Besides, you can see many real world examples that indicate there's probably little if any correlation between diet and baldness.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Whether you take the drugs or not is a personal choice. If anyone feels the risk is too high, fine - then they must live with the consequences (i.e. hair loss). If anyone feels that retaining hair isn't worth the cost, risk or time necessary to use proven treatments, then what on Earth are they doing on a hair loss forum anyway?

I can't understand the bizarre advocacy of dietary regimes to tackle hair loss. If there's robust medical evidence on this I would be prepared to change my mind, but I've never seen anyone cite any. Besides, you can see many real world examples that indicate there's probably little if any correlation between diet and baldness.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Good hair is a sign of hormonal health. Testosterone is a hormone. DHT is a hormone. If these hormones are in balance for an individual then imo there should be no baldness.

After all, people don't go bald before puberty.

As for your assertion that diet has no effect on hair health, explain this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3607815.stm

and yes this is science. If there was any way of creating a drug out of this, drug companies would be on it in a second.

I would love for someone to be administered a high intake of soy, low glycemic carbs and adequate fat to see what effect it would have.

In fact man, here is a medical reference for the effect of hormones on hair patterning:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

now try and tell me hormone balance has nothing to do with male pattern baldness. And yes, diet strongly influences hormonal balance.

 

[Pondle]

If these hormones are in balance for an individual then imo there should be no baldness.

Er, some people are genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness, and others aren't.

Different men fed exactly the same diet may or may not lose their hair, depending on their genetics.