Theory: Cooked Fat =DHT(Dihydrotestosterone) Baldness

[docj077]

yeah wookie, iron can kill you if you ingest too much

are you that simple minded that you find one thing and OH BOY, I found the silver bullet?? jesus you guys

he's indicating that everyone's body has a correct balance and when that balance is achieved (primarily through the correct diet) male pattern baldness will not progress

Yes, I agree.

When a dark chi like saturated fats or carbohydrates blocks the kidney chi it brings the rest of the body's chi out of balance. Clearly, we all need acupuncture to balance our kidney chi, so we can maintain good chi flow.

 

[bubka]

he's indicating that everyone's body has a correct balance and when that balance is achieved (primarily through the correct diet) male pattern baldness will not progress

you have no f*****g proof of that, and it is totally ridiculousness, and we mention previously about apes, because you claimed in the natural world, we evolved with a natural diet, there is NO male pattern baldness, which we proved you DEAD WRONG

even yourself claimed you stopped balding, but did it without your diet... jesus you are full of it

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

you have no f****ing proof of that, and it is totally ridiculousness

I didn't claim it as fact. Stop getting so het up. I'm saying that is what he is indicating.

You think its ridiculous. I do not think that it is ridiculous to eat a diet which stops DHT from being elevated.

and we mention previously about apes, because you claimed in the natural world, we evolved with a natural diet, there is NO male pattern baldness, which we proved you DEAD WRONG

But NOT all apes go bald... (outside of the macaque ape and the ukari monkey, incidence of baldness is sporadic)

even yourself claimed you stopped balding, but did it without your diet... jesus you are full of it

I don't think I had male pattern baldness, however, I firmly believed I caused the shedding by my diet.

 

[bubka]

You think its ridiculous. I do not think that it is ridiculous to eat a diet which stops DHT from being elevated.

IT IS NOT ELEVATED DHT that causes male pattern baldness, it is just that your androgen receptors are now "sensitive" and react to the androgen, in an immunse system like response, causing the miniaturization pattern, sure it can be elevated, but it is not always, i had very low levels of androgens when i started

so please freaking learn how male pattern baldness works before you start acting like you know something

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

IT IS NOT ELEVATED DHT that causes male pattern baldness, it is just that your androgen receptors are now "sensitive" and react to the androgen

Source? elaborate?

sure it can be elevated, freaking learn how male pattern baldness works before you start acting like you know something

I have researched it. Too much DHT attacks the follicle.

 

[bubka]

jesus, where is Bryan at already?

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

jesus, where is Bryan at already?

Why do you rely on Bryan? I thought you knew about follicle sensitivity, I was waiting to be educated...

 

[bubka]

because whatever I say, no matter what, even mentioning the fact that you are an ape, you will refute, you refuted the evolution on male pattern baldness, by saying that apes must be starved, everything that is scientific fact is pushed to the wayside because of your bad theory...

maybe somebody else lecturing you own the facts of male pattern baldness will help, but i doubt it

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

because whatever I say, no matter what, even mentioning the fact that you are an ape, you will refute, you refuted the evolution on male pattern baldness, by saying that apes must be starved, everything that is scientific fact is pushed to the wayside because of your bad theory...

I just said that not every ape goes bald and the conditions must be there for baldness in apes to flourish.

I am a human. Believe me.

maybe somebody else lecturing you own the facts of male pattern baldness will help, but i doubt it

I am genuinely interested in the sensitivity of follicle theory(fact?) and what causes it...

 

[bubka]

just from this website:

DHT & Androgens: DHT is a naturally occurring hormone, which assists with sexual development during your fetal days, and during puberty. DHT actually existed in the body even while we had full heads of hair. The problem arises when genetic switches cause changes in the follicles and men's overall biology.

In follicles, there exists DHT and structures called "Androgen Receptors". In healthy hair follicles, these two substances combine to carry out normal processes and regulate normal hair growth. DHT is created as a result of another combination of Testosterone and something called 5-alpha-reductase. In summary, we have two combinations going on in the normal, non-balding man:

* Testosterone and 5-alpha-reductase Enzyme combine to form DHT
* DHT and Androgen Receptors combine to carry out the creation of normal proteins in follicles, which regulate the health, growth, and resting cycles of a follicle.

so it naturally increases in EVERYONE, its just in the genetics if you have the type of receptors that cause the male pattern baldness response

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

just from this website:

DHT & Androgens: DHT is a naturally occurring hormone, which assists with sexual development during your fetal days, and during puberty. DHT actually existed in the body even while we had full heads of hair. The problem arises when genetic switches cause changes in the follicles and men's overall biology.

In follicles, there exists DHT and structures called "Androgen Receptors". In healthy hair follicles, these two substances combine to carry out normal processes and regulate normal hair growth. DHT is created as a result of another combination of Testosterone and something called 5-alpha-reductase. In summary, we have two combinations going on in the normal, non-balding man:

* Testosterone and 5-alpha-reductase Enzyme combine to form DHT
* DHT and Androgen Receptors combine to carry out the creation of normal proteins in follicles, which regulate the health, growth, and resting cycles of a follicle.

so it naturally increases in EVERYONE, its just in the genetics if you have the type of receptors that cause the male pattern baldness response

I already knew all this. However, it is my contention that in some people DHT levels are too high because they eat the wrong ratio of fats/protein/carbohydrate.

You didn't mention anything about sensitivity of follicles.

 

[SkylineGTR]

I worki in a medical profession where i see every type of person under the sun.
Morbidly obese
Physically fit
Young
Old
EVERYONE

There hasn't been a specific pattern that I have seen to baldness regardless of health problems and diet(including people with diabetes). I have actually talked to many of the balding men that come in to find out histories (seeing i get about 40 minutes of time to chit chat with them as i hook them up to electrodes). The only common ground I have seen was family history. Not diet or exercise or any of that short except the severe stress cases where it is literally falling out.

 

[Bryan]

well cooking fats alters their chemical structure and they don't perform the same job as raw fats.

What "alteration" in cooked fats are you talking about? Are you referring to the well-known hazard of oxidized fats, which are thrombogenic, atherogenic, mutagenic, and carcinogenic? You ARE aware, aren't you, that saturated fats are much more resistant to oxidation that unsaturated fats? You had previously made the statement that "cooked sat-fats" are supposedly bad for male pattern baldness, but you need to understand that (leaving aside for the moment the question of male pattern baldness) cooking with UNsaturated fat is considerably more dangerous and unhealthy than cooking with saturated fat. I had posted something to you before about your "cooked sat-fats" statement, but you didn't respond.

Bryan

 

[wookster]

are you that simple minded that you find one thing and OH BOY, I found the silver bullet?? jesus you guys

:firing: :refilao:

Don't get your panties in a wad Bub. Just tossing out some ideas here. Finasteride is derived from a rainforest tuber, according to some sources. Obviously, some foods could act as 5AR inhibitors to a certain degree. Diet could help to mitigate the classic symmetrical pattern baldness for those poor unfortunate souls with such a genetic predisposition.

 

[Bryan]

Finasteride is derived from a rainforest tuber, according to some sources.

Where did you see that? I've never heard such a claim.

Obviously, some foods could act as 5AR inhibitors to a certain degree. Diet could help to mitigate the classic symmetrical pattern baldness for those poor unfortunate souls with such a genetic predisposition.

Possibly, but I doubt that it's more than just a very slight influence. Something like maybe a percent or two.

Bryan

 

[bubka]

are you that simple minded that you find one thing and OH BOY, I found the silver bullet?? jesus you guys

:firing: :refilao:

Don't get your panties in a wad Bub. Just tossing out some ideas here. Finasteride is derived from a rainforest tuber, according to some sources. Obviously, some foods could act as 5AR inhibitors to a certain degree. Diet could help to mitigate the classic symmetrical pattern baldness for those poor unfortunate souls with such a genetic predisposition.

thats the first i heard about finasteride being derived from some root...

yes, i am not saying that diet cannot help, but it is not the cause of male pattern baldness, it's goddamn genetic, started way back when with a common ape ancestry, and has been passed on and on since, at one time it was likely that male pattern baldness was attractive and a sign of a good male mate by females

 

[wookster]

Finasteride is derived from a rainforest tuber, according to some sources.

Where did you see that? I've never heard such a claim.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2006/01/page/8/

To the best of my memory, the drug finasteride was derived by work done in primitives who ate a tuber that was unique to the rain forest and contained this drug. I am not familiar with other foods that contain it. The high incidence of hermaphrodites in the population is what clued explorers into the uniqueness of the foods these people ate, mainly because the food was eaten by pregnant women, blocking the effects of DHT which is required to differentiate the sex of the offspring. If you find hermaphrodites somewhere eating large amounts of some unique food, that might be a good clue.

 

[Bryan]

I don't buy that story. I've read a pile of finasteride studies, and I've never ever seen any mention of that.

Bryan

 

[bubka]

i have heard of things doing that, the story sounds familiar, but not associated with finasteride

 

[wookster]

I don't buy that story. I've read a pile of finasteride studies, and I've never ever seen any mention of that.

Bryan

OK...

I wonder if this explains Bubka's irritability...

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/6/7

Finasteride induced depression: a prospective study

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Conclusion

This preliminary study suggests that finasteride might induce depressive symptoms; therefore this medication should be prescribed cautiously for patients with high risk of depression. It seems that further studies would be necessary to determine behavioral effects of this medication in higher doses and in more susceptible patients.