The Real Cause Of Hairloss ? Dht Still Bad. Its Not What You Think.

[Arrade]

You say skin supplies blood flow but I don't know how you would explain that

 

[MorningGlory]

Do you think me dropping three stone in a relatively short space of time five years ago could have accelerated my hair loss?

 

[RatherLurk]

Their have been fat injection procedures for the scalp to combat hair-loss in Europe for years. There have been multiple posts about it on this forum and the Dutch/Belgian throughout the years. The general consensus was that it does not work...

It is regarded to be as effective as the procedure where they cut certain vessels in the scalp to prevent hairloss, which is not effective at all.

These procedures are still available, especially in a lot of Belgian clinics. If you believe in it there is nothing stopping you.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

Do you think me dropping three stone in a relatively short space of time five years ago could have accelerated my hair loss?

No, there is no proven correlation whatsoever.

 

[MorningGlory]

No, there is no proven correlation whatsoever.

What is your view of scalp microneedling and massage in relation to combatting hair loss?

 

[alibaba92]

Their have been fat injection procedures for the scalp to combat hair-loss in Europe for years. There have been multiple posts about it on this forum and the Dutch/Belgian throughout the years. The general consensus was that it does not work...

It is regarded to be as effective as the procedure where they cut certain vessels in the scalp to prevent hairloss, which is not effective at all.

These procedures are still available, especially in a lot of Belgian clinics. If you believe in it there is nothing stopping you.

So DHT is still the most efffective solution ?

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

The hair on top of men have a mental phobia know as androphobia. When androgen aproches them they start to panic and they shake because of intense fear.... And they fall out to run from the enemy.
Few hair confessed this to me last night.... Really!!

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

What is your view of scalp microneedling and massage in relation to combatting hair loss?

I think microneedling can be effective in combination with minoxidil and scalp massages are shown to have a small effect on hair growth, but it has nothing to do with fat.

 

[scaredaf]

Do you think me dropping three stone in a relatively short space of time five years ago could have accelerated my hair loss?

I lost 5 stone in 8 months and I’m certain it’s played a part

 

[scaredaf]

The hair on top of men have a mental phobia know as androphobia. When androgen aproches them they start to panic and they shake because of intense fear.... And they fall out to run from the enemy.
Few hair confessed this to me last night.... Really!!

Why’ve I read this as if you were Trump

 

[Tommo1]

I have this theory that dht is only bad for male pattern baldness prone men due to it effect on fat more specifically healthy fat.


If you look at forums many men report continued thinning even on dutestride and propecia. I dont even think dht binds to the hair.


Dht burns BAT. Brown fat which is a good fat compared to white fat.


Brown fat % in women is twice the amount compares to men. Brown fat is subcutaneous fat.


Men with male pattern baldness have thinner skinned scalp. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15481540



Brown fat is apart of thermoregulation. Almost every single thing that promotes brown fat happens to also have tons of studies that show it promotes hair growth. Even cold showers which promote brown fat.



Even fat injections to the scalp cause hair to grow.



It gets even more interesting brown fat is brown due to its iron content. Excellent for hair. And also one of the largest factors that contributes to hair-loss in anemic individuals.


I believe hair follicles have their own independent growth mechanism that aren’t significantly influenced by serum content. Like i believe hair gets all its nutrients from the skin and not from blood capillaries.

The blood needs to supply the skin.


People on finasteride get more rounder fuller faces


Here are two twins.

https://i.imgur.com/6iyUvAx.jpg


One on propecia the other not. One on propecia even has less wrinkles under his eye and his face is fuller. The other guy seems to be missing fullness to half his face. Its our sensitivity to dhts fat burning properties that dictate our hair growth.



That is why as u get older even on hardcore dht inhibitors fat in the scalp starts to deteriorate and u still thin because with age we los much of the fullness in our faces our skin thins out due to the thin layer of fat loss and collagen loss.


Dht derivaties like anavar a steroid is famous for its amazing fat burning properties I mean you could eat tons of burgers and pizza and still get shredded on that steroid. So its no wonder all these natural things like peppermint, castor oil etc cant save us. Because the hormone influence is immensely powerful so many natural remedies don’t have long half-lives and have weak binding affinities



Scalp fat sensitity imo is the root problem.

Any counters? Or contributions are welcome

Anavar doesn’t seem to cause hair loss

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

It is not about fat first .it is skull growth which is prime mover of baldness. If you see both twins in above photo you can see hairy twin has more square and compressed face .on the other hand balding twin has longer and more rounded face. Just see the height of skull . I am convinced that skull growth is real culprit.

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

It is not about fat first .it is skull growth which is prime mover of baldness. If you see both twins in above photo you can see hairy twin has more square and compressed face .on the other hand balding twin has longer and more rounded face. Just see the height of skull . I am convinced that skull growth is real culprit.

Read Head instead of face

 

[Ollie]

Whilst fat may have a role to play the theory of less DHT and an increase in fat is pretty weak. Women are fatter because they have 10x the Estrogen, rather than the lack of androgens. Any perceived weight gain from finasteride or dutasteride is likely because the increase in Estrogen (depending on how much aromatase you naturally produce to aromatise the estrogen) moves your caloric maintenance down so its easier to gain fat.

In fact there is a syndrome known as MDP syndrome where the suffers have literally no fat on them and all of the cases i've seen online have full heads of hair.

 

[Jakejr]

This is a good subject. I’m experimenting with brown fat stimulating supplements as we speak. I did some research & can give my list to anyone interested. BAT seems good for hair & body. Also on DHT thing. I’m not an expert though medical science says DHT is a main culprit in hair loss. There is a guy Chris Walker on Nutra Truth website who says DHT doesn’t cause hair loss & cites a hundred studies. He recommends a slew of supplements instead. The reasoning for BAT helping hair growth is it’s good hair growing “soil” to use an analogy..I wish somebody would definitely figure all this out, but in meantime trial & error.

 

[theotherusero]

@Jakejr Which are the supplements you are using?

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

For all friends. Always choose healthy option for hairloss treatment . don't experiment with your body in a wrong way.

 

[Charlie Foxtrot]

Reading stuff like this is proper messing with my head I must say.

I appreciate the ideas and I totally agree with looking at hairloss from every possible angle. Also the fact that you put somebody serious thought into it and back it up with certain arguments makes it a good read. But man, all these claims about hair loss coming from different things then DHT affecting the follicle are messing with my head.

What does a balding man need to do to get some maintenance or regrowth out here?!

Every time I’m ready to pick up some fina, I read stuff like this or the most tremendous horror stories and think ‘nah, there must be another way’. Do we all agree finasteride is my realest option at getting some maintenance or do I have to try some bro science tips & tricks? Because don’t get me wrong, if someone has a better idea than starting fina now and can back that up, I’m totally down for that! It’s just, you read so much contradictory information, you get lost in all the research and totally lost about what to try for hair loss and what not!

 

[MorningGlory]

Reading stuff like this is proper messing with my head I must say.

I appreciate the ideas and I totally agree with looking at hairloss from every possible angle. Also the fact that you put somebody serious thought into it and back it up with certain arguments makes it a good read. But man, all these claims about hair loss coming from different things then DHT affecting the follicle are messing with my head.

What does a balding man need to do to get some maintenance or regrowth out here?!

Every time I’m ready to pick up some fina, I read stuff like this or the most tremendous horror stories and think ‘nah, there must be another way’. Do we all agree finasteride is my realest option at getting some maintenance or do I have to try some bro science tips & tricks? Because don’t get me wrong, if someone has a better idea than starting fina now and can back that up, I’m totally down for that! It’s just, you read so much contradictory information, you get lost in all the research and totally lost about what to try for hair loss and what not!

Finasteride is empirically your best option.

 

[Jakejr]

To increase brown fat in body there are many methods. Like exposure to cold... showers/temperature for extended periods. As I was writing this post, I came across an idea, I haven’t tried: putting a cooling ban/ pad on the scalp, as opposed to standing out in cold. Again I’m not an expert, but I would start with Citrulline. Citrulline is often paired with Arginine. So I have both. Bodybuilders take up to 20 grams Arginine. I started with 250 mg Citrulline & 750 mg Arginine. Since upped Citrulline to 2 grams. Arginine to 1.5 grams. One thing for sure my body is getting tighter. Excess white fat seems to be being replaced with some brown. My body looks more healthy & ripped rather than pudgy.
Also spices that increase brown fat: black pepper, basil, cinnamon, Holy Basil, oregano, because they increase Ursolic acid.
Apple peels also if you eat apples & blueberries.
Hope it helps