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@Ollie what's happening next week? is there an scheduled shiseido news release or something? thanks
S. Korea Hair Cm3 / Ngf-574h Cosmetic Due Q1 2019
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Its the world hair conference and shiseido are giving a talk. Being held in Barcelona ..i believe Monday.
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Because you still have testosterone and there's still around 30-50% of DHT in the scalp.
Addressing WNT signaling could be benefitial ofcourse, but it's not the full story. Nobody truly knows the full story. @Ollie is right.
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Apparently July 2019 but only in clinics first
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Yeah, I'd expect it around September or so, maybe? Not sure if that's too optimistic...
Still, good thing it's not gonna be that expensive, apparently! Hope those numbers go beyond the papers.
Got a random question. Do they know what these growth factors are ? And if they do have they published them?
Just curious since they create conditions for stem cells to produce growth factors then collect them, can't they analyze what they are and try to recreate it in a lab without all the stem cell stuff. Also more important could give an info to other guys who work on Androgenetic Alopecia to know of any knew stuff which promotes hair growth for a possible treatment.
Just curious since they create conditions for stem cells to produce growth factors then collect them, can't they analyze what they are and try to recreate it in a lab without all the stem cell stuff. Also more important could give an info to other guys who work on Androgenetic Alopecia to know of any knew stuff which promotes hair growth for a possible treatment.
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not practical right now. taking a guest, let's say that there are around 30 different factors in the serum.
- you don't know which ones are the most important. synergies? interactions? critical ratios?
- in order to isolate a protein or factor, you need to produce it somehow. you can't, chemically. it's too complex. maybe for some oligopeptides like choi's PTD-DMB, but a protein usually is not exactly a protein (a linear sequence of aminoacids) but a three-dimensional critically-defined structure with site-specific modifications (e.g. N-linked glycosylations) that are absolutely required in order to function.
- if this works, there could be a second-generation, mass-produced, fully in-vitro version, but I don't like the idea because, for example , in vitro produced insulin has increased its price 700% in the last 20 years due to complexity, demand, and oligopolies. simpler is better.
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So if this available first in Korean clinics could someone from Korea go to a clinic and buy and then ship to the US in July?
It appears that one can already order a product from Celino. A skin care product. Appears to be using similar bio technology.
Hopefully all goes smoothly with NGF-574H as well.
http://www.celino.co.kr/
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You see the price..?
I did Georgie...not cheap IMO.
It was reported that the Celina CEO stated that NGF-574H is as expensive as minoxidil.
Most likely he was referring to the Korean minoxidil retail price from the OEM producer i.e. upjohn..methinks.
I have no idea how much it cost in Korea.
Oh well in around two months we may know.
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15,000 Korean is like $190 Aud and $145USD. I’m just trying to figure out if it’s for one bottle, and how much is in the bottle since I can’t read Korean!
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I wonder if any potential for sides with this?
Seems like the only promising treatment set to come out this year. I’m cautiously excited...
Seems like the only promising treatment set to come out this year. I’m cautiously excited...
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this would be like a daily PRP so I see no sides
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I’m also very excited for this.
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Will we be able to get this product in the US in 2019?