OFF TOPIC:

[DAC21]

Some of you are dangerous fools

I have lerked on this site for over a year. I've appreciated all the help with the hairline, but if ever a group should stay on topic it's this one.

Frankly SOME of your opinions have me wondering about the future of this country, let alone the world. Then I realize that most of you are American Gen X, or EU socialist and it becomes clear. I shouldn't expect more from weak minded individuals whom have allowed themselves to be brain washed by Leftist Professors, Summer of Love parents, and cradle to grave politicians. You have allowed hyperbole to circumvent common sense.

SOME of you have dance around it, but in the end are gutless to stand by your convictions. I'll say it for you, you and your ilk truly believe there is a moral equivalency between what have happened to the Pearls and Bergs of the world and to what has happened in that Iraqi prison. You’re so blinded in your ideology that you have lost all common sense, and now you’re just dangerous. You’re the Chamberlains of the 21st century.

SOME of you danced around what you believe to be the truth. The truth that common sense dictates, yet to worried about political correctness. To worried you might offend the Chamberlains, or what they might think if your opinion differs. Grab your set and be counted while you still can.

Bush isn't the savior, but if you can rationalize the Kerry is the better choice, you have joined the dangerous crowd. Kerry is a poser, no convictions other than what that day’s audience dictates. He is the leader of a party that has moved so far left that John F. Kennedy wouldn't recognize it. The leader of a Party that rationalizes that the life of a mass murder is more important than that of an unborn child. This is a man whom wants the people that worked their A$$ off to make good coin, to pay for ALL of the countries ills. Sorry fools, socialism just breeds complacency / lack of initiative. (Please see E.U. 9% unemployment rate - Canada 7.5%) Yet Kerry, a multimillionaire, doesn't pay the voluntary SLIGHTLY higher Mass. state tax rate. How do you spell HYPOCRITE?

Here is an idiot whom thinks the U.N. is the answer to the world’s problem. An organization that turns their nose at the slaughter in Africa. An organization that the oil for food scandle has reached the direct reports of Annan, Blitz, and officials in the French Gov. (bought off by Saddam) An organization that allows Libya and the Sudan on the the Human rights council. In charter the U.N is a great organization, in reality a morally corrupt shill to the highest bidder. An organization who’s members pillaged the U.N building , no different than looters, when the building services union went on strike a year or so back.

If any of this is news to you, pull you’re a$$ away from watching the alphabet soup news networks and do your homework. The CBS / NBC / ABC and Time magazine's of the world are not reporting the truth or spinning it at best if it sheds a negative light on the left.

I don't live in a Pollyanna world and claim that Conservative $hit don't stink at times. But I still have the common sense to tell what smells worst.

 

[hopewas]

maybe we should all be like you hairybush and just download p**rn. some people find that offensive you know? they'd tell you the same thing. i was curious to see it. in all honesty, this is reality and everyone should see it..not be a pussy and say.."how can you watch that?".. people should open their eyes and see what's going on and not try to ignore it or avoid it. this has been happenning forever..things like this. and cassin. he didn't know it was coming. he only screamed once the knife touched him and started cutting. they did it quick. the audience screamed..they started to scream some sh*t about their god and the guy pulled out a knife and they chanted sh*t that sounded like screams but it was actually the audience..most of it

 

[Hairybush1]

this is reality and everyone should see it..not be a pussy and say.."how can you watch that?".. people should open their eyes and see what's going on and not try to ignore it or avoid it.

:roll:

 

[flux]

DAC21, its clear that I can count myself among the 'some' of us. I have no desire to get in a political argument. But this idea of a leftest media is rediculous. If anyone is spewing spinned propaganda, its Fox. If anyone is brainwashed, its you.

UN isnt perfect, but if we give the UN a bigger role, we wont seem so much like power hungry self centric war mongers to the rest of the world. Who knows whats best for Iraq? Bush certainly doesnt. But whats important is that we dont breed more terrorism and hatred by playing the role of hostile invader. And if we have total control of the fate of Iraq, its government will be suspect and we will be percieved as invaders.

America has a responsability to be wise and compasionate. Not only is it whats best under the eyes of God, but this is what will gain us the trust of the rest of the world, and that will mean far greater prosperity here in the states.

Besides, whats so funny about peace, love and understanding?

So bite me, weak minded conservative.

 

[The Gardener]

I cant believe any of you even watched the video. What was the reason? What was in it that had you so curious to watch another person get their head sawed off?

I think its truely fucked up that you guys saw it neccessary to watch this sh*t. You guys are fucked.

Are you telling me that when you see a car wreck on the highway you don't slow down to take a peek at the wreckage for signs of blood?

I'd bet you ten dollars that, if I checked your history folder on your browser right NOW I'd find a few search attempts at "Nick Berg" + "video" or the like.

 

[flux]

I dont think theres anything wrong with wanting to see the video, but I certainly dont. I don't have a problem with gore, hell, I'm going to be an EMT in a few months time. But I see no reason to subject myself to that unfortunate spectacle.

Its not like this has never happened before. Executions like this happen all over the world, now and throughout history. This was done to get a rise out of the American populous, and I want no part of it.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You know, before we all go flying off the handle calling other people 'inhuman' perhaps we should add a little perspective to this.

What if the United States were invaded by swarming Arab armies? That's right, imagine what it would be like if the Arabs bombed our powerplants, our rail infrastructure that carries our food, etc. What if there were Arab soldiers and officers running the occupation from the White House and Capitol, making legislation for us, and running our law enforcement system based on their values. What if there were Arab tanks rolling down our highways, and Arab soldiers on the corners of your main street.

.

I see your point but in this hypothetical scenario has America been under the rule of a brutal dictator for the last 25 years and have the Arabs announced the creation of a US Government and a date at which power will start to be transferred to said Government?

 

[Hairybush1]

I cant believe any of you even watched the video. What was the reason? What was in it that had you so curious to watch another person get their head sawed off?

I think its truely fucked up that you guys saw it neccessary to watch this sh*t. You guys are fucked.

Are you telling me that when you see a car wreck on the highway you don't slow down to take a peek at the wreckage for signs of blood?

I'd bet you ten dollars that, if I checked your history folder on your browser right NOW I'd find a few search attempts at "Nick Berg" + "video" or the like.

no you wouldnt. I have made 0 attempts to find that video.

Seeing a car wreck is something I cant avoid, if its on the road im travelling on and even if it is, I dont slow down to check out the violence of it, thats ALOT different than going out of my way to look for a beheading on the net.

 

[Cassin]

maybe we should all be like you hairybush and just download p**rn. some people find that offensive you know? they'd tell you the same thing. i was curious to see it. in all honesty, this is reality and everyone should see it..not be a pussy and say.."how can you watch that?".. people should open their eyes and see what's going on and not try to ignore it or avoid it. this has been happenning forever..things like this. ......

I agree with what Hopewas says here. I don't understand the outcry of people who say the video shouldn't be shown. People need a f*****g wake up call to what is going on. Do any of you trust any news outlet in any country to paint a pictire of what is going on? Should everything that is shown be stock footage?

When I saw it, I had a decent idea of what I was going to see but I wasn't 100% sure. Some news outlets were saying it was an execution, some were saying just a hostage that was kneeling before them reading a statement, some said it was a beating. Foxnews, CNN, BBC etc were all giving me a different story so as I have the right to do, I went and found out for myself what had happened.

Just because some of you don't what to see it, which you have every single right to do, don't bash me and others for wanting to see it. I didn't get some sick rise out of it, it was hard for me to watch and listen to.

I think there is a lot of people in denial on what is happening over there. I think a lot of people view war as where people who die are killed by a "slightly bloody bullet hole" and a soldier falls down without a whimper. This, as with all wars and uprisings are horrid and violent. People need to see reality. Not clean stock footage of guys shouting with guns in the air, people are dying. That needs to be shown. Wake up.

 

[Chujgcha]

.,.,

 

[ColtsFan]

Flux,

You want the UN to have a bigger role? Why ? So they can screw more poor people out of food and, cash in on all that oil money that supposedly is going into Bush's pockets? Try Koffi's pockets man.

Peace love and understanding? You think that works w/ al Queda? Yea try telling that to guy that got his beheaded.

Im not a Bush sympathizer, but if you think the dude with a long face and a propensity to hang with Viet Cong sympathizers (Hanoi Jane) is the answer you are sadly mistaken.

The left was saying Al Queda had nothing to do with us invading Iraq, well you can throw that one out the window too.

The peace,love, and understanding that supposedly is a birth right of democrats and their appeal for and human rights apparently didnt mean much when Saddam was over there chopping off heads and burying people alive. No they were willing to let him continue his tyranical sla
Just accept the fact the left is ALWAYS on the wrong side of history in this country. It took a republican, that had the sack to go over there and rid the world of this monster.
JFK and Harry Truman would be rolling in there graves at the current state of the democratic party. I used to be a demo but not any more, they have turned into obstensibly what I would call conservative socialism.

 

[flux]

You're missing the point completely (not suprising, really). I really dont care who it is, hell, let Sweden take over rebuilding Iraq. Whats important is that we try to regain trust of Arab nations.

I agree, Al Queda has everything to do with us invading Iraq. It was our excuse! But what do they have to do with Iraq itself? Wheres the connection? They had no terrorist training camps, no cells there. So why do you bring up Al Queda?

Oh, right. Its because you are just stuffed full of partisan rhetoric. Good job, cheif. I'm not so partisan myself. I actually believe our Republican Govenor Schwarzenegger is doing a relativly good job (much to my suprise). But hey, I'm inteligent and open minded.

It is not our job as Americans to fix the world. And if it were, there are tons of countrys living under harsher regimes then what was in Iraq. So why Iraq? It has nothing to do with the Iraqi people and everything to do with Bush's personal adgenda.

But why argue? I know theres nothing I can say to convince you that we should be more peacefull and spiritually convicted. And theres nothing you can say to convince me that we should be greedier bloodthirsty bastards.

Lets just agree to disagree, shall we?

 

[Hairybush1]

maybe we should all be like you hairybush and just download p**rn. some people find that offensive you know? they'd tell you the same thing. i was curious to see it. in all honesty, this is reality and everyone should see it..not be a pussy and say.."how can you watch that?".. people should open their eyes and see what's going on and not try to ignore it or avoid it. this has been happenning forever..things like this. ......

I agree with what Hopewas says here. I don't understand the outcry of people who say the video shouldn't be shown. People need a f*****g wake up call to what is going on. Do any of you trust any news outlet in any country to paint a pictire of what is going on? Should everything that is shown be stock footage?

When I saw it, I had a decent idea of what I was going to see but I wasn't 100% sure. Some news outlets were saying it was an execution, some were saying just a hostage that was kneeling before them reading a statement, some said it was a beating. Foxnews, CNN, BBC etc were all giving me a different story so as I have the right to do, I went and found out for myself what had happened.

Just because some of you don't what to see it, which you have every single right to do, don't bash me and others for wanting to see it. I didn't get some sick rise out of it, it was hard for me to watch and listen to.

I think there is a lot of people in denial on what is happening over there. I think a lot of people view war as where people who die are killed by a "slightly bloody bullet hole" and a soldier falls down without a whimper. This, as with all wars and uprisings are horrid and violent. People need to see reality. Not clean stock footage of guys shouting with guns in the air, people are dying. That needs to be shown. Wake up.

...so up untill you saw the guy getting his head cut off, you were clueless as to what war was like?

No offense Cassin, but that was a lame excuse.

 

[Hairybush1]

You're missing the point completely (not suprising, really). I really dont care who it is, hell, let Sweden take over rebuilding Iraq. Whats important is that we try to regain trust of Arab nations.

I agree, Al Queda has everything to do with us invading Iraq. It was our excuse! But what do they have to do with Iraq itself? Wheres the connection? They had no terrorist training camps, no cells there. So why do you bring up Al Queda?

Oh, right. Its because you are just stuffed full of partisan rhetoric. Good job, cheif. I'm not so partisan myself. I actually believe our Republican Govenor Schwarzenegger is doing a relativly good job (much to my suprise). But hey, I'm inteligent and open minded.

It is not our job as Americans to fix the world. And if it were, there are tons of countrys living under harsher regimes then what was in Iraq. So why Iraq? It has nothing to do with the Iraqi people and everything to do with Bush's personal adgenda.

But why argue? I know theres nothing I can say to convince you that we should be more peacefull and spiritually convicted. And theres nothing you can say to convince me that we should be greedier bloodthirsty bastards.

Lets just agree to disagree, shall we?

exactly, on all points.

 

[Berserk]

I am not going to go into religion right now because I seem to piss alot of people off with my views, so I'll leave it alone. I do think that we should do something about the Middle-east. This may seem a little harsh, but I think we should just bomb the whole damn area. The we could turn it into one giant amusement park; the kids would love it.

 

[Wezz]

I am not going to go into religion right now because I seem to piss alot of people off with my views, so I'll leave it alone. I do think that we should do something about the Middle-east. This may seem a little harsh, but I think we should just bomb the whole damn area. The we could turn it into one giant amusement park; the kids would love it.

its like if you want to kill bush you have to bomb all usa. Make some f*****g sense idiot berserk whatever shithole your name is. :evil:

 

[flux]

Oh yes. Genocide is the answer. While we're at it, why dont we adopt the swastika as our national flag, and start rounding up any Arab Americans (not to mention any other ethnic groups we dont like, maybe them blackies and the chinks) and throw them in concentration camps?

That is just about the stupidest idea I have ever heard. Unfortunatly its not the first time I heard it. This is what happens when stupid people listen to Rush Limbaugh.

 

[The Gardener]

You want the UN to have a bigger role? Why ? So they can screw more poor people out of food and, cash in on all that oil money that supposedly is going into Bush's pockets? Try Koffi's pockets man.

Actually, George W Bush is BEGGING for the UN to come back into Iraq right now. It was Bush and Powell who twisted Annan's arm to have Brahimi assigned to the Iraq portfolio. It's fu-king humiliating to hear Bush, after giving the UN the bird before the war, now pleading for the UN to come back.

Peace love and understanding? You think that works w/ al Queda? Yea try telling that to guy that got his beheaded.

I agree. Al Qaeda is our enemy, they attacked us and we need to annihilate every last one of them. The stupidity of the situation is that Al Qaeda was not welcome in Iraq before Iraq was invaded. Saddam was the kind of secular ruler that Bin Laden wanted to overthrow. The only Al Qaeda-linked operation that was in Saddam's Iraq was Ansar Al-Islam, which operated in the autonomous Kurdish region and was trying to overthrow Hussein, not support him. Saddam PERSECUTED this Al Qaeda-linked organization, and did not support them. The only terrorists that Saddam supported were the Palestinians, and they had nothing to do with 9/11 and never attacked America. Now, the whole place is a breeding ground for AL Qaeda, who are having fun picking off our troops like fish in a can. Nice job, Bush.

Im not a Bush sympathizer, but if you think the dude with a long face and a propensity to hang with Viet Cong sympathizers (Hanoi Jane) is the answer you are sadly mistaken.

First off, what's wrong with having a long face? What kind of attack is that to make on a person. Personally, I think Bush has funny ears, and because of that I will never support him because I think people with funny ears have no business being President. I'm only kidding of course, but, I just said that only to make you see how stupid it sounds to make an argument based on someone's facial features.

The picture of Kerry supposedly sitting 'behind' Jane Fonda has since been disclaimed as a photoshop job, it was altered. He was there, at that anti-war rally, but not sitting anywhere near her and had no relations with her. Nevertheless, what's wrong with people who were against the Vietnam War trying to become President? I think we probably could have won the war if we could have hung a bit longer after Tet. Only now have we realized that the Viet Cong threw everything they had at us during Tet and we still beat them back. They had very little left, and Nixon was bombing their supply lines through Laos and Cambodia. We had them... but the psychological damage they made with the Tet attack turned public opinion against the war. Nevertheless, one has to ask, at what cost victory? At what point is the cost of a war, no matter how 'justified', just not worth it. If you want to disqualify from the Presidency people who were against the Vietnam war, then you would in effect disqualify the broad majority of Americans as the war was deeply unpopular here.

The left was saying Al Queda had nothing to do with us invading Iraq, well you can throw that one out the window too.

Al Qaeda had NOTHING to do with Iraq. Period. Colin Powell admitted as much. The only so-called 'linkage' between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda was some supposed meeting between one of the 9/11 hijackers and a supposed Iraqi intelligence agent which to this date has not been proven to be anything more than urban myth.

The peace,love, and understanding that supposedly is a birth right of democrats and their appeal for and human rights apparently didnt mean much when Saddam was over there chopping off heads and burying people alive. No they were willing to let him continue his tyranical sla
Just accept the fact the left is ALWAYS on the wrong side of history in this country. It took a republican, that had the sack to go over there and rid the world of this monster.

So you are saying that anyone who opposes taking military action against dictators is foolish, or on the wrong side of history? So, what about Kim Il Sung in North Vietnam? Or Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Or how about the whole Saudi royal family? According to your logic, we should take military action against ALL of them and anyone who stands up and says, no, it is not worth our money and our kids' lives to rid all the world of it's dictators is somehow foolish or unpatriotic. Last time I checked the Bush Administration called the Saudi royals our 'closest friends' in the Persian Gulf region. Yes, the same Saudi government that amputates the arms of thieves, stones adulterous women, beheads murderers, and won't let women drive cars or vote. Whoops, now that I think about it, NOBODY votes for national government positions in Saudi Arabia! It's a f*****g kingdom, and national government officials are handpicked from tribal rulers.

Methinks that in your statement you are picking and choosing your dictators to suit your convenience, as there is really NO morally cogent point to what you are saying.

That's the thing I hate about the news. All they do, all of them, both the Conservative media and the Liberal media, is weave lots of sound-byte-friendly facts into a convenient blurb for easy ingestion for small minds. No attention paid to the bigger picture.

Now, if you want to be a good conservative, let me give you a more effective argument to make so that the next time you debate an educated liberal you can really shoot him down. Say this... The US invaded Iraq for strategic reasons. Yield the point that the WMD thing was a convenient excuse, because it was and frankly they got burned on it. It makes no difference, though, because the real reason they invaded Iraq was because the US needs a base in the region from which to continue the broader war on terror.

Why Iraq?, your liberal opponent will ask you. He will say, there were no Al Qaeda in Iraq?

You respond by saying, 'exactly'. Because there are no historical Al Qaeda grass roots operations there (Saddam didn't like militant Islamists, that's also why he persecuted the Shia) the population is used to a more secular society, and a more Westernized society when compared to the other nations in the region. After the nation is pacified, American forces can operate from Iraq without the same level of local resentment that they had operating from Saudi Arabia. Iraqi people are more educated than their neighbors, and have a larger network of family connections in the Western nations than do nations such as Saudi, or Iran, for example. By invading Iraq they have a base from which to take on their next axis of evil member, Syria. Syria is now surrounded on all sides by pro-Western Turkey, American-occupied Iraq, pro-Western Jordan, and Israel. From a pacified Iraq, America can more easily infiltrate agents into Iran to hasten the fall of that regime as well. And, when and if the Saudi kingdom falls to the Wahabis, we'll have the forces ready to roll back into Saudi legitimately and kill the remainder of the Al Qaeda cretins. And, just by having a democratic nation bordering all these old and oppressive regimes will definitely have a societal impact on those regimes, kind of like when the Berlin Wall fell and Western-style capitalism spread like wildfire through Eastern Europe.

Now THAT is a much more reasoned argument as to why we are in Iraq. Keep it in your hip pocket and you will win any debate with a liberal. You are welcome.

 

[Cassin]

...so up untill you saw the guy getting his head cut off, you were clueless as to what war was like?

No offense Cassin, but that was a lame excuse.

No offense taken.

If that is what you took from what I wrote please read it again a few times because you severely missed my point.

 

[ColtsFan]

Six Bill Man

I am in agreement that as a country diverse as ours theres always going to be disputes on how things should be done, so yes we should agree to disagree.
Hey I am not hip to bloody warfare, but if you like driving your car to work so you can make a living you need oil right? Besides the point that Saddam was a ruthless dictator, yuou just cant have a rogue dictator controlling the 1/3 of the worlds oil supply. I make no bones about this conflict, oil was a huge reason, but I cant ride by bike to sales meetings, I wish I could. I could ride my Harley, and may start to , but it still needs oil.
SixMill, Im just saying look at history, Jimmy Carter, the great humanitarian of the world sat back and let Pol Pot slaughter a milion Cambodiens, Bill Clinton did nothing to stop a million Ruwandans from slaughter. Lyndon Johnson could have pulled the troops in Viet Nam , but his ego wouldnt let it happen. Slam Nixon if you want but he was the one who started real troop withdrawl in SE Asia.

I do agree that Bush failed in that he should have taken care of Al Queda first and then delt with Husssain, either w/ or w/out military assistance, but the dude had to go. (and Kerry agreed on this before he disagreed) And dont take my long face comment so hard against Kerry, just ribbing him, kinda like Al Franken does to Bush and you as well w/ the ears comment. His voting record and far left stance will be enough to cause him problems even if you think those pics were PS'd.

We havent elected an east coast liberal since JFK, and he would be considered a moderate by todays standards.

I appluad you for your idealism with regards to wanting a peaceful existence on earth, unfortunatley Im a realist, Muslim extremist are not going away. Iregardless of Bush's policies they want to kill you and me and everyone that is not a muslim extremist, it sucks but its the cold hard truth.
Clinton didnt do sh*t when he was in office to stem this tide, and its only going to get worse.

Oh and as far as Clark goes, why was he heard in interviews saying that the Bush admin was doing far more to battle the rising terror risk than the Clinton Admin, and then turn around and say Bush didnt do enough?

Whats up with that? Anyway I know we arent going to get anywhere with all this but I did want to put in my 2cents......