Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[supersaiyannorwood6+]

Hi! I´ve been reading IESON and I´ve noticed that some of you have been talking to Giuseppe1954 (Beps???), but what did he tell you? I don´t understand Italian :S @Royaume.


http://www.fidiapharma.com/it/news-eventi/studio-inerente-l-alopecia,3,116

Questo è il testo in questione:

"Al fine di soddisfare quanto sopra, stimiamo che lo sviluppo durerà fino al 2018."
Giuseppe

giuseppe1954
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Regione: Veneto

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D'istinto risponderei fino al 31/12/2017 però leggendo titoli di giornali italiani quando viene scritto "fino al 2018" poi nel testo si dice che il periodo in questione riguarda parte o tutto il 2018.
Giuseppe

Thanks!

giuseppe1954 is not beps. According to giuseppe1954's profile page...he's been on ieson since 2003. I wish giuseppe1954 was beps, but i highly doubt it

 

[gagost02]

beps63 birthday: Jun 24, 1963 https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/members/beps63.128502/
Giuseppe Brotzu (prof. Giovanni Brotzu's son) birthday: Jun 24, 1963

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Scam.

Could be a dud, but likely not a scam. Let's be real.

 

[MomoGee]

 

[Xander94]

Where the f*** is the doctor

 

[FutureSaitama]

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f*****g genius hahahahhaha

 

[Kev123]

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Lol.

Man estradiol works so well for hair loss, but the side effects is like science pointing its finger at us baldies and laughing like "Hahahaha you want your hair back then you gotta turn into a woman you little b**ch bahahaha!"

No? well go poison yourself with finasteride and minoxidil you bald motherfucker (not to you, just in general how I feel).

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Come on now! He used a drug for diabetes and he accidentally had hair regrowth on a patient but then he said pge1 doesn't work without s equol because it's too easy to use alprostadil or even an oil to raise pge1. He knows that..
And all these trolls in here, like 7th sense, patronizing this lotion. Too fishy. Borage oil plus s equol won't solve baldness, guaranteed.
These things had been tested in the past. What's wrong with people in this forum?

Accidental hair growth with PGE1 is not surprising. Increased blood flow may result in thicker hair. And I agree about it being very questionable that DGLA or equol alone do not work at all. I really think that they are saying that as a deterrent and I don't really believe it. Do they work better together? Sure, why not. But they should work to some degree on their own.

The use of liposomes is interesting. A bunch of people say that they found selective deposition of drugs into the hair follicle when a liposomal vehicle was used.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0923181196005579
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/10611869808995860
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02631046?LI=true

But on the other hand, if you don't care about systemic effects, you should be able to "nuke" your scalp with drugs such that enough of the drug just goes everywhere.

The addition of equol is interesting. A bunch of guys say that it binds selectively to DHT and that it is an estrogen receptor β agonist and that it is well tolerated in people.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/12/3577.short
https://academic.oup.com/biolreprod.../Equol-Is-a-Novel-Anti-Androgen-that-Inhibits
https://rbej.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1477-7827-9-4
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/5/1072.short

But on the other hand, most of the literature on equol and DHT was written by the same 5 guys (who won't call or email me back :\ ) and they have licensed their patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100076071A1/en?q=equol) to NuSkin (source:https://news.byu.edu/news/five-coolest-most-successful-byu-inventions-year).

But if you have any hands left, on the next hand, NuSkin has its headquarters in Provo, Utah, the same town as Brigham Young University, so it makes some sense I guess that the people who did the equol work walk down the street and license it to NuSkin, who use it in an anti-aging cream that they claim has received very positive feedback from customers.

But on the next, next hand, NuSkin is a multilevel marketing company (which is always a great sign), co-founded by Steve Lund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Lund), who also is likely related to one of the researchers who appears on most of the equol work, Trent Lund (which is always a great sign). Also Jason Chaffetz worked at NuSkin for like a decade before becoming a politician and I f*****g hate the guy so there's the best evidence against equol right there, ladies and gentlemen.

So I think it COULD be a dud, but it's probably not a scam....unless someone wants to tell me about Fidia's multilevel marketing enterprise.

 

[FutureSaitama]

Accidental hair growth with PGE1 is not surprising. Increased blood flow may result in thicker hair. And I agree about it being very questionable that DGLA or equol alone do not work at all. I really think that they are saying that as a deterrent and I don't really believe it. Do they work better together? Sure, why not. But they should work to some degree on their own.

The use of liposomes is interesting. A bunch of people say that they found selective deposition of drugs into the hair follicle when a liposomal vehicle was used.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0923181196005579
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/10611869808995860
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02631046?LI=true

But on the other hand, if you don't care about systemic effects, you should be able to "nuke" your scalp with drugs such that enough of the drug just goes everywhere.

The addition of equol is interesting. A bunch of guys say that it binds selectively to DHT and that it is an estrogen receptor β agonist and that it is well tolerated in people.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/12/3577.short
https://academic.oup.com/biolreprod.../Equol-Is-a-Novel-Anti-Androgen-that-Inhibits
https://rbej.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1477-7827-9-4
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/5/1072.short

But on the other hand, most of the literature on equol and DHT was written by the same 5 guys (who won't call or email me back :\ ) and they have licensed their patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100076071A1/en?q=equol) to NuSkin (source:https://news.byu.edu/news/five-coolest-most-successful-byu-inventions-year).

But if you have any hands left, on the next hand, NuSkin has its headquarters in Provo, Utah, the same town as Brigham Young University, so it makes some sense I guess that the people who did the equol work walk down the street and license it to NuSkin, who use it in an anti-aging cream that they claim has received very positive feedback from customers.

But on the next, next hand, NuSkin is a multilevel marketing company (which is always a great sign), co-founded by Steve Lund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Lund), who also is likely related to one of the researchers who appears on most of the equol work, Trent Lund (which is always a great sign). Also Jason Chaffetz worked at NuSkin for like a decade before becoming a politician and I f*****g hate the guy so there's the best evidence against equol right there, ladies and gentlemen.

So I think it COULD be a dud, but it's probably not a scam....unless someone wants to tell me about Fidia's multilevel marketing enterprise.

Nice post man ! Very informative.

 

[livinginfear93]

somebody tell me it's possible this magic lotion will give me sideless maintenance....the science seems to be lacking. A magic ratio of s equol and DGLA, compounds that science has been aware of for years......help me see the light

 

[Noble-OnHigh]

somebody tell me it's possible this magic lotion will give me sideless maintenance....the science seems to be lacking. A magic ratio of s equol and DGLA, compounds that science has been aware of for years......help me see the light

We don't know until brotzu lotion released...
Only thing we can do is waiting keeping positive or negative. It's up to you.

 

[ironix]

Come on now! He used a drug for diabetes and he accidentally had hair regrowth on a patient but then he said pge1 doesn't work without s equol because it's too easy to use alprostadil or even an oil to raise pge1. He knows that..
And all these trolls in here, like 7th sense, patronizing this lotion. Too fishy. Borage oil plus s equol won't solve baldness, guaranteed.
These things had been tested in the past. What's wrong with people in this forum?

A lot of drugs were found by accident while testing an other issue. Take v**** for example. Pfizer did a study about heart diseases and found out that men got boners from it and since then use it as a treatment for ED. Or propecia was found to treat hairloss while they did study the effect of finasterid on prostata enlargement.

Furthermore in chemistry things often only work if you put multiple things togheter which don't work on it's own. For example water or sodium on it's own don't really react. If you put them thogheter they react very strongly. Or imagine some reciepts from the kitchen. For an omelette you will need milk, flour, eggs and salt. All those ingredients are usefull on its own and you could use them for multiple other things but to make an omelette you have to put them togheter in the right amount and cook it for the right time with the right heat. The same applies for the lotion. Equol, dgla and l-carnitine have to be in the right amount, with the right vehicle and the right stabilizer to potentially work for hairloss. The ingredients don't necessarely have to work on it's own because the combination of those elements could lead to a reaction which could help for hair loss.

 

[MrV88]

A lot of drugs were found by accident while testing an other issue. Take v**** for example. Pfizer did a study about heart diseases and found out that men got boners from it and since then use it as a treatment for ED. Or propecia was found to treat hairloss while they did study the effect of finasterid on prostata enlargement.

Furthermore in chemistry things often only work if you put multiple things togheter which don't work on it's own. For example water or sodium on it's own don't really react. If you put them thogheter they react very strongly. Or imagine some reciepts from the kitchen. For an omelette you will need milk, flour, eggs and salt. All those ingredients are usefull on its own and you could use them for multiple other things but to make an omelette you have to put them togheter in the right amount and cook it for the right time with the right heat. The same applies for the lotion. Equol, dgla and l-carnitine have to be in the right amount, with the right vehicle and the right stabilizer to potentially work for hairloss. The ingredients don't necessarely have to work on it's own because the combination of those elements could lead to a reaction which could help for hair loss.

Aren't omelettes just eggs and the other one pancakes?

 

[hairblues]

Ok...He accidentally tested s equol and dgla on a patient for diabetes... It would make more sense if he had tested omelette.

I am not sure what this stuff is for but diabetics lose circulation
I think he was trying to get circulation going in legs (sometimes thy have to get amputation from circulation problems, they get neuropathy etc)

 

[ironix]

Aren't omelettes just eggs and the other one pancakes?

As far as i know, omelettes in Switzerland are made with milk and flour and i have never seen anyone doing an omelette just with eggs here. Also i think we use the word "Omelette" for both pancake and omelettes because basically the one with just eggs does not exist. Sorry for that language and cultural barriere

Ok...He accidentally tested s equol and dgla on a patient for diabetes... It would make more sense if he had tested omelette.

A metaphor is a figure of speech that refers, for rhetorical effect, to one thing by mentioning another thing. It may provide clarity or identify hidden similarities between two ideas. (Source: Wikipedia)

 

[ironix]

I am not sure what this stuff is for but diabetes lose circulation I think he was trying to get circulation going in legs (sometimes thy have to get amputation from circulation problems, they get neuropathy etc)

From one of the brotzu interviews: (google transleted)

What may represent the way for the treatment of alopecia in 2016 was born following some research on diabetes , whose first consequence is the narrowing of the capillaries known as stenosis , which does not allow red blood cells to pass, going to spray the peripheral areas of the body. Among other consequences, there is also the fall of the hair of the legs, if the microcirculation not be quickly reactivated. In short, from a hiccup for the treatment of diabetic microangiopathy it has been possible to give form to a possible cure of baldness .

 

[br1]

2016...

 

[DVXYZ]

2016...

I do think it will come out in the next 12 months. (Hopefully)

 

[MrV88]

As far as i know, omelettes in Switzerland are made with milk and flour and i have never seen anyone doing an omelette just with eggs here. Also i think we use the word "Omelette" for both pancake and omelettes because basically the one with just eggs does not exist. Sorry for that language and cultural barriere

http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/eggs-recipes/omelette/
Omelettes are just eggs, milk and eggs are scrambled eggs, if you add flour, eggs and milk/water it's pancakes/crepe I always call everything just pancakes haha

 

[hairblues]

2016...

Why isn't Fidia going to hair conference?
That gives me bad feels.