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again guys, where did Brotzu ever claim to know of beps? Let's not start another rumour please...
Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016
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I'm not claiming that they know other. With all the talk concerning every aspect of this lotion, I'm wondering why we've never heard of two different formulations before.
I don't see anything about this in the FAQ thread
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Goodness... lets not worry and speculate so much. We have no idea if Fidia was testing a female version for some reason. We also do not know if a woman in the household was using the other product etc... don't look into it so much. We just don't know everything, so give it a rest.
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The screenshot of the Italian forumn. It's nothing 100% definitive 'cause we have now come to realize we can't completely trust the moderators of that forumn (with the whole announcement shitshow) but apparently the moderators have confirmed with Brotzu that beps63 is legitimate.
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I actually remember something about 2 lotions.. Women need less equol or/and dgla than men I dont know exactly.. Something like that. Also fidia is aiming for 2 different lotions I believe..
Again I am not sure, just scratching the last things I remember from my brain.
Either way, it is nothing to worry about.
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I love you too
that what i though too. he spread a lot of info in both italian and this forum that FIDIA was aware about it.
i 'm sure that some FIDIA personal are folowing us in this forum.
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Yes, the translation is correct.
Marlin definitely knows the Brotzu(s), in a private message sent to me 2 months ago, he even said it to me. He probably keeps in touch with both from time to time. He is admitting he has "verified" Beps' identity. So Beps is not a troll.
And even if he didn't, Marlin is always skeptical about everything, but if he decides to trust in somebody, I'm gonna trust in them too.
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So.. its 8 January or 5 February ? It's confusing.
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Posting here one of the summaries of @beps63 conversations on Ieson most of it is known but it is a nice read anyway:
Beps63:
Let's talk about the product.
The product was created by chance and it took a few years to determine the right proportions to make efficient and effective product. The composition to be used for man was the last to be defined. Know that have been studied different liposomes with different polarities. All this took time.
The lotion acts quickly to stop the fall, the cases treated say that in about 3/4 weeks stops the fall. It engages a hair reinforcement in place, including the vellus that slowly turn into hair (it takes more than one year). The new hair regrowth is slower unfortunately, around the 3rd month are noted on the skin growths; are new hair growing.
Know that there are variables, one is the age of the subject, how long will the hair is lost and the aggressiveness of baldness.
Know that to market a new lotion you have to respect the legislative requirements, which unfortunately are long, they need some months. They are carrying out these obligations.
I do not know the terms of marketing.
I have said too much
Greetings
artiglio5825 wrote:
Photos of some Agato you can see?
Beps63:
Here we have focused on AA, the Androgenetic Alopecia have the product at no charge, but they are not cataloged. In any case, confidentiality agreements were signed. In November it will be published for the first time on the AA data to the Turin conference.
account_01 wrote:
you're referring to cases of ALOPECIA ANDROGENETIC MEN?
Beps63:
male Androgenetic Alopecia, considering that I try it on my head every day.
P: S: I imagine that more than one would like to be in my place, I had solved rasandomi
Beps63:
The vellus is the hair of infants (those born bald), which takes about two years to become hair. Many of you have become atrophic hair vellus.
Beps63:
The lotion and do not give me the trial sull'Androgenetic Alopecia, so here sull'Androgenetic Alopecia photos do not exist, with the exception of a study on women two years ago. I have recovered more than one degree of baldness, I will recover other.
De Sade wrote:
I understand, by a user, the product of Fidia has been changed since the first version of Brotzu in 2015, this is true?
Beps63:
They added preservatives. the rest is identical
Beps63:
I was killing of questions.
I am 50 years old when I started using the lotion I had a fifth classification. I lost my hair slowly, but by 38 I started to shave. I've never used it Finasteride Minoxidil it. In a nutshell unlike you I had given up the problem.
I currently have nearly reached a classification 4, but considering how vellus I both in vertex that in the front part be able to have a classification within 2 years 3.
My vertex was smooth and had a diameter of 9cm, currently is less than 4cm in diameter, now the vertex is practically covered with vellus that in many cases presents the part close to the dark color of the skin, others are dark for half. Simply put, slowly back my hair.
The declaration on the recovery is real, I too have had similar timing.
The sull'Androgenetic Alopecia experiments male and female, are doing to the northern Italy.
The use of fine or other during the trial will be excluded.
I used initially experimental lotion, then recently since I started the trial I went to an industrial one.
I am not a technician, I have now mastered, but please stop me complicated questions, are not so prepared.
About me and the people who have used it, it worked well and without complications.
I thank those who keep giving me a liar.
Beps63:
to explain what I feel in the head:
The first few times you use the lotion feel heat, it tends to reactivate the microcirculation.
They tap the skull after a few months, you'll hear the growths, to the touch look like pimples, new hair will come from them.
I have long that I use this lotion and still feel these growths.
In short, they are one of the guinea pigs on which it was developed the product.
For someone will horns, but they blame and partner instead of lotion.
Bridge wrote:
Thanks beps! A key one question ...
Do you know if some testers have reported sexual sides because dell'equolo?
Beps63:
There were no sides.
Dante12 wrote:
Beps, I think, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll, although, as far as I'm concerned, I did not need further confirmation of the effectiveness of the treatment, after the phone call I had with Dr. Brotzu ...
I would like to ask you some domande..da how long you use it? apply it every day? and from the aesthetic point of view, greasy? It dries quickly?
Then you know nothing of possible output in January?
And thank you for the information we're giving ...
Beps63:
not greasy dries in 15-20 minutes. I apply it every day. I started in the first experimental group, but only stopped falling, then it evolved
derix977 wrote:
Beps Sorry, I did not understand what you mean when you say that a trial of Androgenetic Alopecia and that there are not going to make foto.Come understand the degree of improvement and the initial situation if you do not make pictures periodically?
Maybe I did not understand me, someone has the answer?
Beps63:
I have access to the photos of AA, while I do not have access to the photos of Androgenetic Alopecia. I did not say that there are no pictures.
Prof Androgenetic Alopecia was not interested, so it does not do pictures.
snowblack89 wrote:
guys, but if one has atrophied bulbs for years, where do you think they can grow hair? we are talking about a topical, no transplantation or cloning etc. If the bulbs are dead you can not be resurrected.
if it blocks the fall of everything and you recover you can think of a transplant that was to remain stable due to the lotion. (all this of course with the benefit of the doubt)
Beps63:
You have understood everything.
It needs for young people.
Use it for people like me 5A need to understand the extent to which the lotion works and how many degrees of baldness can be recovered. The basis of the research is to understand the extent to which the product works.
5A to 4 are not 1 2 degrees
Observe the Norwood chart
S7E841 wrote:
Beps we start from the fact that I'm very happy of your availability ..
But if I can afford?! What made you change your mind or way of ports giving us a lot of information that maybe even you could give us?
Someone gave you the green light at least within the limits?
Excuse my curiosity ..
anyway thank you
Beps63:
You were saying a lot of ..... f*** you.
I literally lost patience.
I knew that by law the test must last for at least 6 months.
Example: the product expires one year should be kept on the shelf for one year before it can be put on sale. There are also exceptions, but do not know them. The rules are a cas ... no.
Imagine that convenience has a firm hold in a product that can give a strong profitability, should not, but it must by law.
For all conspiracy theorists, thanked the EU laws, I am a disaster.
account_01 wrote:
but it is his invention, however beps, I did not understand a thing, you suffer the Androgenetic Alopecia, and why then you have access to AA photo?
Beps63:
I make him computer assistance in de dermatoscope software
snowblack89 wrote:
Beps a question that I wanted to make is this, the doctor said at the time that initially the lotion was applied daily after which you could even switch to a weekly maintenance, what to say to about?
Beps63:
After a period of attack (lotion every day) can be estimated that the mass of hair is sufficient. In this case only it serves to prevent our dihydrotestosterone resume to make us lose hair. Maintenance is a set of applications a week for 2 to 3 to avoid losing hair but keep the hair that you have.
mr.blushine wrote:
After 17 days of application:
1) nn longer feel the slight itching of the first applications
lotion 2) tends to slip through the body, it should be spread rapidly (easily absorbed)
3) every 3 days or so I'm noting the escape of a sketch / pimple shed. Nn I know if it depends on the lotion.
4) I have many vellus that known nn be changed much
5) sides, nada de nada
Beps63:
The bumps as you call them are new hair. For years, I seem to have pimples on his head, but in the end are always new hair. Before you can call the stuff that grows hair, you will need to wait at least a year
S7E841 wrote:
What do you mean Beps that are years that you feel like pimples? Excuse me how long is that apply?
I have a question a bit 'for all .. who uses fine and are noticing improvements with the lotion?
Beps63:
When the Prof did the first tests, I was hired as a tester.
I saw all product developments, including the final one (the final one is younger than 2 years)
Jake Chambers wrote:
beps Hello, I have a request, if possible, you describe exactly how to apply the lotion? That is, you do it in the morning or evening, after showering? Or indiscriminately during the day as it happens? Also how much of it applies (how many atomized). And then, now that you are doing the maintenance (I think) how many times a week you put it?
Thanks
Beps63:
The lotion that now use is one made by fidia, which is identical to the last Prof. lotion That Fidia has preservatives that of Professor not.
I put half an hour every night before going to sleep, so it dries.
I do not wash your hair before, although in theory it would be better. (Marseille soap). I have short hair, most are long more they consume.
I do not have a nebulizer but a drip system. Load the dispenser with approximately 1 ml of lotion and put a few drops and spando his finger.
Are still under attack, I want to retrieve other 2 degrees and then I will only maintain
turiddruzzu wrote:
could you tell us what Beps preservatives are there? Other than beps dinner at this time Let us listen from your lips ahahahahahah a dinner everyone
Beps63:
I do not know. One of the many preservatives that are used for these products, and also in feeding
zimmerman wrote:
it would be nice to know if beps is aware of the type of changes between one version and the other, I mean if substantial sonostate or devices of that type .
Beps63:
the percentages of the other ingredients have been modified to be able to have the most efficient lotion. The ones I never had the interest to know them
canario wrote:
One important thing that so far seems to have escaped:
one speaks of it in the final drafting of photos of Beps there are "women" bottles and "man", then there are at least 2 versions. How do they differ? There is also a difference between the lotion for AA and that for Androgenetic Alopecia?
thanks for answers.
Beps63:
Women have less testosterone than men, so need less equol.
The vascular system is the same
S7E841 wrote:
Beps on a sostenevi intervention to have recovered a degree of baldness ... and then always on the same post you said that you would have recovered more ...
Ok, as long as you talk to have recovered a degree there can stay ... but what gives you the retrieve other belief?! It is one thing also tested on others? That is, you know for a fact that this lotion does improve anyone from using it?!? Thanks
Beps63:
Watching the vellus with dermatoscope, you see different types of hair and vellus, are classified by diameter and color:
The vellus I was born transparent, brings forth the "blond" and bigger.
I have many vellus with dark base and the clear part of the terminal.
Those slightly bigger although very thin, are larger than the vellus "blonde", but totally dark (brown)
This happens in both the Vertex is trai hair of the frontal zone, where there are a part of normal hair and at least three times vellus at various stages.
I blond when I say it means they are slightly darker than transparent.
I hope I explained well what happens
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps but then with the prolonged use of the lotion accounts on the regrowth of lost hair many years ago?
Beps63:
We are in a phase in which they are trying to figure out how many years you can go back. Objectively, the 5-year estimates of recovery, may be simplistic, but this will evaluate between at least a year.
They are under care for so long, and because they are a limit, either because they never sgarro, so they are reliable if
zimmerman wrote:
I imagine you'll be happy
you do not have a couple of photos that show the
change of image?
Beps63:
Pretend that were years that I rasavo.
With or without hair changes little, my life flows equally
Beps63:
http://imgur.com/a/pC8kW
In the picture you see on the top left, a dark shadow. What is the diameter of a normal hair. You see various stages of vellus. Once there was nothing
Jake Chambers wrote:
Thanks Beps!
This is your current situation as part of the scalp?
Beps63:
Vertex, I went from a 10cm diameter 3.8cm
S7E841 wrote:
But your hair those seen terminals were or have become so through the use of the lotion?
Beps63:
I was empty, smooth. Look at those who have dark base and the clear tip, that's why I am convinced that will recover other degrees of balding
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps take this opportunity one last time of your willingness to ask you one thing, when you said that for a optimal use of the lotion would be appropriate to apply it after washing the scalp with Marseille soap, there is a particular reason why this soap should be used?
Beps63:
The Marseille soap is a soap without creams and above that which removes grease better.
I put it on his head without washing my advance
Beps63:
Let's talk about the product.
The product was created by chance and it took a few years to determine the right proportions to make efficient and effective product. The composition to be used for man was the last to be defined. Know that have been studied different liposomes with different polarities. All this took time.
The lotion acts quickly to stop the fall, the cases treated say that in about 3/4 weeks stops the fall. It engages a hair reinforcement in place, including the vellus that slowly turn into hair (it takes more than one year). The new hair regrowth is slower unfortunately, around the 3rd month are noted on the skin growths; are new hair growing.
Know that there are variables, one is the age of the subject, how long will the hair is lost and the aggressiveness of baldness.
Know that to market a new lotion you have to respect the legislative requirements, which unfortunately are long, they need some months. They are carrying out these obligations.
I do not know the terms of marketing.
I have said too much
Greetings
artiglio5825 wrote:
Photos of some Agato you can see?
Beps63:
Here we have focused on AA, the Androgenetic Alopecia have the product at no charge, but they are not cataloged. In any case, confidentiality agreements were signed. In November it will be published for the first time on the AA data to the Turin conference.
account_01 wrote:
you're referring to cases of ALOPECIA ANDROGENETIC MEN?
Beps63:
male Androgenetic Alopecia, considering that I try it on my head every day.
P: S: I imagine that more than one would like to be in my place, I had solved rasandomi
Beps63:
The vellus is the hair of infants (those born bald), which takes about two years to become hair. Many of you have become atrophic hair vellus.
Beps63:
The lotion and do not give me the trial sull'Androgenetic Alopecia, so here sull'Androgenetic Alopecia photos do not exist, with the exception of a study on women two years ago. I have recovered more than one degree of baldness, I will recover other.
De Sade wrote:
I understand, by a user, the product of Fidia has been changed since the first version of Brotzu in 2015, this is true?
Beps63:
They added preservatives. the rest is identical
Beps63:
I was killing of questions.
I am 50 years old when I started using the lotion I had a fifth classification. I lost my hair slowly, but by 38 I started to shave. I've never used it Finasteride Minoxidil it. In a nutshell unlike you I had given up the problem.
I currently have nearly reached a classification 4, but considering how vellus I both in vertex that in the front part be able to have a classification within 2 years 3.
My vertex was smooth and had a diameter of 9cm, currently is less than 4cm in diameter, now the vertex is practically covered with vellus that in many cases presents the part close to the dark color of the skin, others are dark for half. Simply put, slowly back my hair.
The declaration on the recovery is real, I too have had similar timing.
The sull'Androgenetic Alopecia experiments male and female, are doing to the northern Italy.
The use of fine or other during the trial will be excluded.
I used initially experimental lotion, then recently since I started the trial I went to an industrial one.
I am not a technician, I have now mastered, but please stop me complicated questions, are not so prepared.
About me and the people who have used it, it worked well and without complications.
I thank those who keep giving me a liar.
Beps63:
to explain what I feel in the head:
The first few times you use the lotion feel heat, it tends to reactivate the microcirculation.
They tap the skull after a few months, you'll hear the growths, to the touch look like pimples, new hair will come from them.
I have long that I use this lotion and still feel these growths.
In short, they are one of the guinea pigs on which it was developed the product.
For someone will horns, but they blame and partner instead of lotion.
Bridge wrote:
Thanks beps! A key one question ...
Do you know if some testers have reported sexual sides because dell'equolo?
Beps63:
There were no sides.
Dante12 wrote:
Beps, I think, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll, although, as far as I'm concerned, I did not need further confirmation of the effectiveness of the treatment, after the phone call I had with Dr. Brotzu ...
I would like to ask you some domande..da how long you use it? apply it every day? and from the aesthetic point of view, greasy? It dries quickly?
Then you know nothing of possible output in January?
And thank you for the information we're giving ...
Beps63:
not greasy dries in 15-20 minutes. I apply it every day. I started in the first experimental group, but only stopped falling, then it evolved
derix977 wrote:
Beps Sorry, I did not understand what you mean when you say that a trial of Androgenetic Alopecia and that there are not going to make foto.Come understand the degree of improvement and the initial situation if you do not make pictures periodically?
Maybe I did not understand me, someone has the answer?
Beps63:
I have access to the photos of AA, while I do not have access to the photos of Androgenetic Alopecia. I did not say that there are no pictures.
Prof Androgenetic Alopecia was not interested, so it does not do pictures.
snowblack89 wrote:
guys, but if one has atrophied bulbs for years, where do you think they can grow hair? we are talking about a topical, no transplantation or cloning etc. If the bulbs are dead you can not be resurrected.
if it blocks the fall of everything and you recover you can think of a transplant that was to remain stable due to the lotion. (all this of course with the benefit of the doubt)
Beps63:
You have understood everything.
It needs for young people.
Use it for people like me 5A need to understand the extent to which the lotion works and how many degrees of baldness can be recovered. The basis of the research is to understand the extent to which the product works.
5A to 4 are not 1 2 degrees
Observe the Norwood chart
S7E841 wrote:
Beps we start from the fact that I'm very happy of your availability ..
But if I can afford?! What made you change your mind or way of ports giving us a lot of information that maybe even you could give us?
Someone gave you the green light at least within the limits?
Excuse my curiosity ..
anyway thank you
Beps63:
You were saying a lot of ..... f*** you.
I literally lost patience.
I knew that by law the test must last for at least 6 months.
Example: the product expires one year should be kept on the shelf for one year before it can be put on sale. There are also exceptions, but do not know them. The rules are a cas ... no.
Imagine that convenience has a firm hold in a product that can give a strong profitability, should not, but it must by law.
For all conspiracy theorists, thanked the EU laws, I am a disaster.
account_01 wrote:
but it is his invention, however beps, I did not understand a thing, you suffer the Androgenetic Alopecia, and why then you have access to AA photo?
Beps63:
I make him computer assistance in de dermatoscope software
snowblack89 wrote:
Beps a question that I wanted to make is this, the doctor said at the time that initially the lotion was applied daily after which you could even switch to a weekly maintenance, what to say to about?
Beps63:
After a period of attack (lotion every day) can be estimated that the mass of hair is sufficient. In this case only it serves to prevent our dihydrotestosterone resume to make us lose hair. Maintenance is a set of applications a week for 2 to 3 to avoid losing hair but keep the hair that you have.
mr.blushine wrote:
After 17 days of application:
1) nn longer feel the slight itching of the first applications
lotion 2) tends to slip through the body, it should be spread rapidly (easily absorbed)
3) every 3 days or so I'm noting the escape of a sketch / pimple shed. Nn I know if it depends on the lotion.
4) I have many vellus that known nn be changed much
5) sides, nada de nada
Beps63:
The bumps as you call them are new hair. For years, I seem to have pimples on his head, but in the end are always new hair. Before you can call the stuff that grows hair, you will need to wait at least a year
S7E841 wrote:
What do you mean Beps that are years that you feel like pimples? Excuse me how long is that apply?
I have a question a bit 'for all .. who uses fine and are noticing improvements with the lotion?
Beps63:
When the Prof did the first tests, I was hired as a tester.
I saw all product developments, including the final one (the final one is younger than 2 years)
Jake Chambers wrote:
beps Hello, I have a request, if possible, you describe exactly how to apply the lotion? That is, you do it in the morning or evening, after showering? Or indiscriminately during the day as it happens? Also how much of it applies (how many atomized). And then, now that you are doing the maintenance (I think) how many times a week you put it?
Thanks
Beps63:
The lotion that now use is one made by fidia, which is identical to the last Prof. lotion That Fidia has preservatives that of Professor not.
I put half an hour every night before going to sleep, so it dries.
I do not wash your hair before, although in theory it would be better. (Marseille soap). I have short hair, most are long more they consume.
I do not have a nebulizer but a drip system. Load the dispenser with approximately 1 ml of lotion and put a few drops and spando his finger.
Are still under attack, I want to retrieve other 2 degrees and then I will only maintain
turiddruzzu wrote:
could you tell us what Beps preservatives are there? Other than beps dinner at this time Let us listen from your lips ahahahahahah a dinner everyone
Beps63:
I do not know. One of the many preservatives that are used for these products, and also in feeding
zimmerman wrote:
it would be nice to know if beps is aware of the type of changes between one version and the other, I mean if substantial sonostate or devices of that type .
Beps63:
the percentages of the other ingredients have been modified to be able to have the most efficient lotion. The ones I never had the interest to know them
canario wrote:
One important thing that so far seems to have escaped:
one speaks of it in the final drafting of photos of Beps there are "women" bottles and "man", then there are at least 2 versions. How do they differ? There is also a difference between the lotion for AA and that for Androgenetic Alopecia?
thanks for answers.
Beps63:
Women have less testosterone than men, so need less equol.
The vascular system is the same
S7E841 wrote:
Beps on a sostenevi intervention to have recovered a degree of baldness ... and then always on the same post you said that you would have recovered more ...
Ok, as long as you talk to have recovered a degree there can stay ... but what gives you the retrieve other belief?! It is one thing also tested on others? That is, you know for a fact that this lotion does improve anyone from using it?!? Thanks
Beps63:
Watching the vellus with dermatoscope, you see different types of hair and vellus, are classified by diameter and color:
The vellus I was born transparent, brings forth the "blond" and bigger.
I have many vellus with dark base and the clear part of the terminal.
Those slightly bigger although very thin, are larger than the vellus "blonde", but totally dark (brown)
This happens in both the Vertex is trai hair of the frontal zone, where there are a part of normal hair and at least three times vellus at various stages.
I blond when I say it means they are slightly darker than transparent.
I hope I explained well what happens
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps but then with the prolonged use of the lotion accounts on the regrowth of lost hair many years ago?
Beps63:
We are in a phase in which they are trying to figure out how many years you can go back. Objectively, the 5-year estimates of recovery, may be simplistic, but this will evaluate between at least a year.
They are under care for so long, and because they are a limit, either because they never sgarro, so they are reliable if
zimmerman wrote:
I imagine you'll be happy
you do not have a couple of photos that show the
change of image?
Beps63:
Pretend that were years that I rasavo.
With or without hair changes little, my life flows equally
Beps63:
http://imgur.com/a/pC8kW
In the picture you see on the top left, a dark shadow. What is the diameter of a normal hair. You see various stages of vellus. Once there was nothing
Jake Chambers wrote:
Thanks Beps!
This is your current situation as part of the scalp?
Beps63:
Vertex, I went from a 10cm diameter 3.8cm
S7E841 wrote:
But your hair those seen terminals were or have become so through the use of the lotion?
Beps63:
I was empty, smooth. Look at those who have dark base and the clear tip, that's why I am convinced that will recover other degrees of balding
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps take this opportunity one last time of your willingness to ask you one thing, when you said that for a optimal use of the lotion would be appropriate to apply it after washing the scalp with Marseille soap, there is a particular reason why this soap should be used?
Beps63:
The Marseille soap is a soap without creams and above that which removes grease better.
I put it on his head without washing my advance
@The 7TH Sense you are the best! Thanks man!
MrJolly16
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Now we need an organized and well structured summary of the summary jejejeje. Thank you very much @The 7TH Sense!
Honestly I think that right now we are stuck and we need more details that I hope we will get after the holidays.
Honestly I think that right now we are stuck and we need more details that I hope we will get after the holidays.
Dr.brotzu is 80 y/o and still working for 8 hours in his lab to make you a lotion that human was waiting for decencies or even century...
luca10
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