Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

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WTF did you see the pics it may not be a scam in the typical sense but the results compared to what brotzu said in previous interviews is unbelievably underwhelming. Chances are this may not ever come to market.
 
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It’s an improvement....It’s not a scam for AA sufferers and as far as I can tell the results for female at least are pretty good IMO.
 
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yulley said:
Guys,

I do admit that there are some red flags here that would make one think that this is a scam, but there are also some things that don't make any sense for a scam, there are some deviations from the usual snake oil scenario here:


1. Brotzu discovers the lotion 8 years ago. He notices immediate results with the first version of the lotion, yet he doesn't brag about it and he continues to improve and test it on various people, both Androgenetic Alopecia and areata and both male and female;

2. As he continues with his tests in total silence, there is one article that appears in a scientific magazine and yet he doesn't brag about it. He didn't go to any major newspaper or TV, he didn't promote it in any way, despite of the fact that he is a well know public person in Italy and could easily make himself heard nationwide;

3. Based on the results he got, he puts so much trust in this lotion that he does a true scientific research and files for a patent by himself, again, in total silence;

4. With all the basic requirements in place, he decides to sell it, as in now way he would have ever had the possibilities to produce it on a large scale by himself; Fidia buys it and doesn't say a word;

5. At this moment, the italian forums found out about this and the hysteria begins - they go and interview Brotzu, start calling and e-mail Fidia and their employees, start hunting every possible news in any possible way; the news reach the global audience via this forum and several others;

6. Being harassed like never before, Fidia gives the most useless and ambiguous update ever in the eyes of the public, one that could shut every future question. They haven;t made any kind of claim or promises in that post - just that there is an ongoing study about it. Period.
7. As he was under constant fire from forums, Beps tells that he also waits for news just as everybody else and knows nothing about the studies and the market release; all he knew was that the stability issues were solved and he was not involved in that job; His credibility begins to be questioned a lot so he puts his hands on some strange studies about cetirizine and posts it here without any word about it, just to prove that he "knows stuff"; if you look at that study, it has nothing to do with the tests presented yesterday at Sitri, it is a completely different thing;

8. Fidia files for an European patent and gets it published, still no official words about the lotion; They are now set to sale not just in Italy (like applemets) but in the entire Europe;

9. Beps again has credibility challenges and he yells out loud that Fidia will attend Sitri, though Fidia or Giovanni didn't say a single word about, they didn't brag about it in any way, total silence. Hysteria begins as the italian forum moderators find out after days of waiting that the information is true. Fidia doesn't say anything about their presence at this conference, though it is well known that they are always announcing their attendance at every conference before and after it. More than that, the conference is closed for the public, it is a pure scientific conference, with no intents to promote anything, it's just a discussion between specialists;


My take on this is that Beps is just a fool and acts like a child when mocked, so he throws anything on the table just to show that he is an inside person and plays with our minds to show how great he is and to satisfy his ego. He knows nothing, all he has is some vague info from Giovanni, but apart from that, he knows sh*t. Fidia doesn't give a sh*t about him.


As for Fidia - they continue to keep total silence. The only time they posted about it was when they couldn't use their public e-mail and phone anymore due to worldwide incoming questions.
They didn't say a word about the conference and they did a very poor presentation that indicates it was ready in the last minute - they didn't want to disclose anything more than what was already publicly know.

I think it was their intention to have those 2 mediocre photos in there.
Why? They don't want attention about it yet.
Giovanni most likely told them that he wants to attend Sitri to show his own latest work to his fellow scientific colleagues, but they said that they're not ready to go public with the results and start the products promotion.
So they gave him something mediocre that would not heat up the spirits, but wouldn't embarrass him either and the presentation would basically go unnoticed by the broad public.

Just imagine what would have happened if Brotzu would have shown yesterday some great results, but no release date.
Word would have easily gone out of the conference and reach national and the worldwide audience and they would get assaulted like hell, from every corner of the planet!

So I would say to wait for official news from Fidia, cause until now they haven't said absolutely nothing about the lotion's efficiency in any f*****g way!
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i really hope this is the case
 
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yulley said:
Guys,


I think it was their intention to have those 2 mediocre photos in there.
Why? They don't want attention about it yet.
Giovanni most likely told them that he wants to attend Sitri to show his own latest work to his fellow scientific colleagues, but they said that they're not ready to go public with the results and start the products promotion.
So they gave him something mediocre that would not heat up the spirits, but wouldn't embarrass him either and the presentation would basically go unnoticed by the broad public.

Just imagine what would have happened if Brotzu would have shown yesterday some great results, but no release date.
Word would have easily gone out of the conference and reach national and the worldwide audience and they would get assaulted like hell, from every corner of the planet!

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I'm sorry but this is just load of fantasist clutching at straws nonsense.
 
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irishlad8787 said:
WTF did you see the pics it may not be a scam in the typical sense but the results compared to what brotzu said in previous interviews is unbelievably underwhelming. Chances are this may not ever come to market.
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What did he say? Did he promise you that it will regrow all your hair in one day?
 
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yulley said:
Guys,

I do admit that there are some red flags here that would make one think that this is a scam, but there are also some things that don't make any sense for a scam, there are some deviations from the usual snake oil scenario here:


1. Brotzu discovers the lotion 8 years ago. He notices immediate results with the first version of the lotion, yet he doesn't brag about it and he continues to improve and test it on various people, both Androgenetic Alopecia and areata and both male and female;

2. As he continues with his tests in total silence, there is one article that appears in a scientific magazine and yet he doesn't brag about it. He didn't go to any major newspaper or TV, he didn't promote it in any way, despite of the fact that he is a well know public person in Italy and could easily make himself heard nationwide;

3. Based on the results he got, he puts so much trust in this lotion that he does a true scientific research and files for a patent by himself, again, in total silence;

4. With all the basic requirements in place, he decides to sell it, as in now way he would have ever had the possibilities to produce it on a large scale by himself; Fidia buys it and doesn't say a word;

5. At this moment, the italian forums found out about this and the hysteria begins - they go and interview Brotzu, start calling and e-mail Fidia and their employees, start hunting every possible news in any possible way; the news reach the global audience via this forum and several others;

6. Being harassed like never before, Fidia gives the most useless and ambiguous update ever in the eyes of the public, one that could shut every future question. They haven;t made any kind of claim or promises in that post - just that there is an ongoing study about it. Period.
7. As he was under constant fire from forums, Beps tells that he also waits for news just as everybody else and knows nothing about the studies and the market release; all he knew was that the stability issues were solved and he was not involved in that job; His credibility begins to be questioned a lot so he puts his hands on some strange studies about cetirizine and posts it here without any word about it, just to prove that he "knows stuff"; if you look at that study, it has nothing to do with the tests presented yesterday at Sitri, it is a completely different thing;

8. Fidia files for an European patent and gets it published, still no official words about the lotion; They are now set to sale not just in Italy (like applemets) but in the entire Europe;

9. Beps again has credibility challenges and he yells out loud that Fidia will attend Sitri, though Fidia or Giovanni didn't say a single word about, they didn't brag about it in any way, total silence. Hysteria begins as the italian forum moderators find out after days of waiting that the information is true. Fidia doesn't say anything about their presence at this conference, though it is well known that they are always announcing their attendance at every conference before and after it. More than that, the conference is closed for the public, it is a pure scientific conference, with no intents to promote anything, it's just a discussion between specialists;


My take on this is that Beps is just a fool and acts like a child when mocked, so he throws anything on the table just to show that he is an inside person and plays with our minds to show how great he is and to satisfy his ego. He knows nothing, all he has is some vague info from Giovanni, but apart from that, he knows sh*t. Fidia doesn't give a sh*t about him.


As for Fidia - they continue to keep total silence. The only time they posted about it was when they couldn't use their public e-mail and phone anymore due to worldwide incoming questions.
They didn't say a word about the conference and they did a very poor presentation that indicates it was ready in the last minute - they didn't want to disclose anything more than what was already publicly know.

I think it was their intention to have those 2 mediocre photos in there.
Why? They don't want attention about it yet.
Giovanni most likely told them that he wants to attend Sitri to show his own latest work to his fellow scientific colleagues, but they said that they're not ready to go public with the results and start the products promotion.
So they gave him something mediocre that would not heat up the spirits, but wouldn't embarrass him either and the presentation would basically go unnoticed by the broad public.

Just imagine what would have happened if Brotzu would have shown yesterday some great results, but no release date.
Word would have easily gone out of the conference and reach national and the worldwide audience and they would get assaulted like hell, from every corner of the planet!

So I would say to wait for official news from Fidia, cause until now they haven't said absolutely nothing about the lotion's efficiency in any f*****g way!
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Me personally don't think it's a full-blown scam, we need a little bit info to decide on efficasy regarding age, Norwood-stage, sex difference etc.
But, I would say it's a poor AA with a good potential to give you some regrowth, when you manage your DHT levels - that is all based on the comparison between (only 2!..) cases in the presentation, where the female one had, it seems, much better results...
i could imagine, Brotion might work decently well with a a good Fina/Duta regimen and augment the Big3, since it has a slightlty different mechanism of action.
As standalone treatment it has no chance, in my opinion.
 
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Drogedagh said:
How is that poor?
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I meant poor in terms of number and population (only an old man selected).

Regarding statistics, the presentation also showed that "the hair diameter didn't change significantly'. It was absolutely incoherent with the previous expectations.
 
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Just a few weeks ago you all were saying that "even a maintenance would be great", and now you cry, moan and ask for sh*t tons of hair which was never promised to you, that was just your sick imagination. Moreover, it seems like your eyes located somewhere in butthole as you can't see the improvements of the female from the trials and keep saying that there's no improvement at all.
You also ignore the fact that this is 6 months trials result.. weren't you all crying about "I WANT IT THIS SUMMER", "WHY TRIALS TAKE SO LONG", "GIVE IT TO ME ASAP"? You do not deserve any treatment, if Brotzu Lotion fails to come to the market I hope the same happens to Tsuji, Shiseido etc. You show no respect to this old man, you lie, you contradict with yourself, you are just mentally ill.
 
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Drogedagh said:
What did he say? Did he promise you that it will regrow all your hair in one day?[/QU

We heard 5 yrs regrowth numerous times and beps stated he recovered 2 norwoods, he lied simple as you cannot defend against that its here in black and white, and for ppl saying they didnt release other pics, beps had seen the presentation and few hours before and he said we will see what he has seen for years, them pics were impressive according to beps so now we know how easily impressed he is. No point him coming back to his forum his word is useless as he is obviously deluded if he thought them pics were good.
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We heard 5 yrs regrowth numerous times and beps stated he recovered 2 norwoods, he lied simple as you cannot defend against that its here in black and white, and for ppl saying they didnt release other pics, beps had seen the presentation and few hours before and he said we will see what he has seen for years, them pics were impressive according to beps so now we know how easily impressed he is. No point him coming back to his forum his word is useless as he is obviously deluded if he thought them pics were good
 
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Isnt it possible that Fidia has only done this Study to confirm that the Lotion is safe to use? i mean 1ml a day just doesnt seem very much
 
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Drogedagh said:
Just a few weeks ago you all were saying that "even a maintenance would be great", and now you cry, moan and ask for sh*t tons of hair which was never promised to you, that was just your sick imagination. Moreover, it seems like your eyes located somewhere in butthole as you can't see the improvements of the female from the trials and keep saying that there's no improvement at all.
You also ignore the fact that this is 6 months trials result.. weren't you all crying about "I WANT IT THIS SUMMER", "WHY TRIALS TAKE SO LONG", "GIVE IT TO ME ASAP"? You do not deserve any treatment, if Brotzu Lotion fails to come to the market I hope the same happens to Tsuji, Shiseido etc. You show no respect to this old man, you lie, you contradict with yourself, you are just mentally ill.
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The result for a man in his 50’s are fair enough. However, his hair loss started probably 10 years ago, and there might not have been a difference at all with or without the lotion being used. I think people are reacting because they’re not showing photos of men under 30, where there’s potential for regrowth. People in their right mind weren’t expecting more than finasteride + min without sides, something that isn’t too much to ask for after all the claims I would say. If they actually made a lotion with such efficiancy, they would be smart enough to use pictures of younger subjects.
 
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