If Hrt Isn't Stopping My male pattern baldness Does That Mean Its Something Different?

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Hello everyone, as most regular members here know I'm on quite a nuclear regimen consisting of 1mg finasteride, 25/50mg Cyproterone Acetate, 5mg oral minoxidil, 1mg topical estrogen and 1mg oral estrogen. So far it has not helped one bit, I'm still shedding 150 - 200 hairs a day and my hairline is receding quite rapidly. The side effects I have are no errections ( if I try I can still get hard though ) , No sex drive, no sperm and my breasts are now tender and a bit perky.. Probably the start of gyno. With these side effects its fair to assume I probably have very little testosterone and DHT in my body but yet my recession progression seems completely unaffected. How is it possible ANDROGENic alopecia can progress without the presence of androgens? I'm not a diffuse thinner or anything with my only loss being at the hairline and temples. I seem to have textbook male pattern baldness but nothing seems to stop it or even slow it down. Could there be another cause for my hair loss? I've been looking in PGD2 recently as a possible cause but Setipiprant is so damn expensive and hard to find reliable vendors I don't think its something I can try until its at least became cheaper and commercialized. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on with my hair? I don't think its as simple as I'm a non responder to all these meds as I'm displaying a lot of side effects indicating that I am responding.. Just not on my head!
Any help would be greatly appreciated and is there anything else I can use to block PGD2 that's a lot cheaper and easier to obtain than seti?
 

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Hello everyone, as most regular members here know I'm on quite a nuclear regimen consisting of 1mg finasteride, 25/50mg Cyproterone Acetate, 5mg oral minoxidil, 1mg topical estrogen and 1mg oral estrogen. So far it has not helped one bit, I'm still shedding 150 - 200 hairs a day and my hairline is receding quite rapidly. The side effects I have are no errections ( if I try I can still get hard though ) , No sex drive, no sperm and my breasts are now tender and a bit perky.. Probably the start of gyno. With these side effects its fair to assume I probably have very little testosterone and DHT in my body but yet my recession progression seems completely unaffected. How is it possible ANDROGENic alopecia can progress without the presence of androgens? I'm not a diffuse thinner or anything with my only loss being at the hairline and temples. I seem to have textbook male pattern baldness but nothing seems to stop it or even slow it down. Could there be another cause for my hair loss? I've been looking in PGD2 recently as a possible cause but Setipiprant is so damn expensive and hard to find reliable vendors I don't think its something I can try until its at least became cheaper and commercialized. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on with my hair? I don't think its as simple as I'm a non responder to all these meds as I'm displaying a lot of side effects indicating that I am responding.. Just not on my head!
Any help would be greatly appreciated and is there anything else I can use to block PGD2 that's a lot cheaper and easier to obtain than seti?

You may be one of those unfortunate people(like me) whose hair is actually made worse by finasteride due to up-regulation of androgen receptors. In some people, body handles lack androgens by increasing the tissue sensitivity to them. So even tiny amount of androgen will make you lose hair. The phenomenon is known as reflex hyperandrogenicity. When I started taking finasteride, I immediately started to lose several hundred hair a day. The shedding only slowed down when I stopped taking finasteride after three months. My hair also became extremely oily after that whereas it used to be dry before. My hair never returned to it's pre finasteride state.

Are you experiencing increased scalp oil or pimples? If yes, then you may be having similar adverse reaction to me.
 

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Any help would be greatly appreciated and is there anything else I can use to block PGD2 that's a lot cheaper and easier to obtain than seti?

at 200 hairs a day, shave it.

Be bad *** like statham.
 

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You may be one of those unfortunate people(like me) whose hair is actually made worse by finasteride due to up-regulation of androgen receptors. In some people, body handles lack androgens by increasing the tissue sensitivity to them. So even tiny amount of androgen will make you lose hair. The phenomenon is known as reflex hyperandrogenicity. When I started taking finasteride, I immediately started to lose several hundred hair a day. The shedding only slowed down when I stopped taking finasteride after three months. My hair also became extremely oily after that whereas it used to be dry before. My hair never returned to it's pre finasteride state.

Are you experiencing increased scalp oil or pimples? If yes, then you may be having similar adverse reaction to me.
When I first started finasteride I did notice an acceleration of my male pattern baldness. It wasn't shedding though, the root was literally transparent and the tip was thick. As treatment progressed one half of the hair would be thick and the other invisible it was the strangest thing. Overtime I added in minoxidil which did work for a few months but then this shed I'm currently going through started and its been going on for 5 and a half months now so I'm slowly weening off it. I don't remember if my hair was oily before but what I do know since starting HRT is that my scalp and skin is fairly dry, including my hair which doesn't seem to get greasy as fast. I don't get pimples or anything either. I believe initally I did suffer from reflex androgenicity but I don't think I am anymore as my hairs are no longer invisible at the root, but they definitely still are thinning towards it. My problem now is the number of hairs I am shedding which wasn't a problem before minoxidil. When I did start HRT there was a whole week where I shed almost no hairs and I was convinced it was working but the shed quickly came back up to shedding 150 - 200 hairs again. I'd like to think its the minoxidil causing me this shed because there's nothing else it could be, I was never much of a shedder before it. I can't see how I'm still losing hair with all the side effects that I have. It makes literally no sense :(

at 200 hairs a day, shave it.

Be bad *** like statham.
Shaving is a no go for me, my head is f*****g huge with a tall forehead. Build is skinny fat and can't gain muscle to save myself. I'm only 20 and being bald at that age is a social and romantic death sentence. Its easy enough to recommend shaving when you're not in that position yourself.
 

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Sounds like you have genetics from hell. I wonder if it's possible for male pattern baldness genetics to keep expressing even without androgens in some people. That would be truly fucked, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. :(
 

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Sounds like you have genetics from hell. I wonder if it's possible for male pattern baldness genetics to keep expressing even without androgens in some people. That would be truly fucked, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. :(
Ikr it sucks. The only other person I know that's never had success with any treatment is Georgie. She does have FPHL though so I'm not sure if that's in some ways different from typical male pattern baldness. I will keep up with my treatments regardless..I can't give up yet. I wonder if I was born female that I would experience typical male pattern baldness and be a NW3 woman at the tender age of 22/23 which is where I think I'll be at if things don't turn around. I find it hard to believe that I could be in the 0.1% of people that don't respond to such an aggressive regimen but if that's the case I'll probably just end it all and be done with this life, this is no life to live. I really hope things get better but I won't hold my breath. Im the youngest to bald in my family by a landslide (14) I feel cursed.
 

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When I first started finasteride I did notice an acceleration of my male pattern baldness. It wasn't shedding though, the root was literally transparent and the tip was thick. As treatment progressed one half of the hair would be thick and the other invisible it was the strangest thing. Overtime I added in minoxidil which did work for a few months but then this shed I'm currently going through started and its been going on for 5 and a half months now so I'm slowly weening off it. I don't remember if my hair was oily before but what I do know since starting HRT is that my scalp and skin is fairly dry, including my hair which doesn't seem to get greasy as fast. I don't get pimples or anything either. I believe initally I did suffer from reflex androgenicity but I don't think I am anymore as my hairs are no longer invisible at the root, but they definitely still are thinning towards it. My problem now is the number of hairs I am shedding which wasn't a problem before minoxidil. When I did start HRT there was a whole week where I shed almost no hairs and I was convinced it was working but the shed quickly came back up to shedding 150 - 200 hairs again. I'd like to think its the minoxidil causing me this shed because there's nothing else it could be, I was never much of a shedder before it. I can't see how I'm still losing hair with all the side effects that I have. It makes literally no sense :(


Shaving is a no go for me, my head is f*****g huge with a tall forehead. Build is skinny fat and can't gain muscle to save myself. I'm only 20 and being bald at that age is a social and romantic death sentence. Its easy enough to recommend shaving when you're not in that position yourself.

I am thirty. I have been told women why I cut my hair. I have mostly had the surfer style most my life. It suits my head shape. A older woman who likes to sleep around on her husband tried to shame me. I couldn't care less what she thinks.

Look, I am using Rogaine. I am experiencing either side effects or health complications. More likely side effects but what can I do? If I get another ten years out of my hair, find a gf, possibly a wife, that is ideal. Otherwise, I undercut the sides, grow out the top, and style it. I think people mistake undercut as pompadour or slick back. I've seen that undercut forward fringe style that Tom hardy does. I might try it.

There's a law of diminishing return. I've never known a man with hair loss who isn't insecure. I think it is natural. In order for us to succeed, we must be a outlier. Turn into the skid. Even be ignorant about it, live blissfully, and proceed as though we had perfect head of hair, riches, and women. Acted as such and enter into the world with said vigor.

What alternatives are there? Hair piece? Escorts? Mini van and going gta like that psycho did a few weeks ago? Buy a gun like Elliot Roger's and get back at cruel world?

You aren't damned. You have it together. Mitigate what you can but, there's so much more to do than obsess the way some guys do. You aren't one of the guys.

Good luck man. I hope you have successfully hit the mark, whatever that maybe. I am going to attempt to maintain otherwise, I will undercut, buzz or shave and grow a little beard. Then go get baes!

Edit BTW how is your scalp? I hear the oh of our scalp is coinciding with hair loss. For me, I used Accutane and switched on the male pattern baldness genes. I am seeking a holistic natural shampoo with a baking soda base to help my scalp. I will use it and see if I can either stop loss or minimize it. Buzzing and beard is the best thing to do otherwise.
 

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Hello everyone, as most regular members here know I'm on quite a nuclear regimen consisting of 1mg finasteride, 25/50mg Cyproterone Acetate, 5mg oral minoxidil, 1mg topical estrogen and 1mg oral estrogen. So far it has not helped one bit, I'm still shedding 150 - 200 hairs a day and my hairline is receding quite rapidly. The side effects I have are no errections ( if I try I can still get hard though ) , No sex drive, no sperm and my breasts are now tender and a bit perky.. Probably the start of gyno. With these side effects its fair to assume I probably have very little testosterone and DHT in my body but yet my recession progression seems completely unaffected. How is it possible ANDROGENic alopecia can progress without the presence of androgens? I'm not a diffuse thinner or anything with my only loss being at the hairline and temples. I seem to have textbook male pattern baldness but nothing seems to stop it or even slow it down. Could there be another cause for my hair loss? I've been looking in PGD2 recently as a possible cause but Setipiprant is so damn expensive and hard to find reliable vendors I don't think its something I can try until its at least became cheaper and commercialized. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on with my hair? I don't think its as simple as I'm a non responder to all these meds as I'm displaying a lot of side effects indicating that I am responding.. Just not on my head!
Any help would be greatly appreciated and is there anything else I can use to block PGD2 that's a lot cheaper and easier to obtain than seti?
If nothing else is working try the Scalp Elixir - a mix of good stuff for hair-loss. Just came in the mail, tried it last night, it's got some kinda kick to it, but too early to tell if it's going to work:

https://www.hairIossrevolution.com/grogenix/scalp-elixir/

Looks and sounds cool
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Visit a derm

If its sth else attack that


If not...youre just fucked

Youre hairfolicles are super sensitive to dht


Id try dura then

If thats not work...you have to try the most powerful yet the hardest drug - acceptance
 

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I am thirty. I have been told women why I cut my hair. I have mostly had the surfer style most my life. It suits my head shape. A older woman who likes to sleep around on her husband tried to shame me. I couldn't care less what she thinks.

Look, I am using Rogaine. I am experiencing either side effects or health complications. More likely side effects but what can I do? If I get another ten years out of my hair, find a gf, possibly a wife, that is ideal. Otherwise, I undercut the sides, grow out the top, and style it. I think people mistake undercut as pompadour or slick back. I've seen that undercut forward fringe style that Tom hardy does. I might try it.

There's a law of diminishing return. I've never known a man with hair loss who isn't insecure. I think it is natural. In order for us to succeed, we must be a outlier. Turn into the skid. Even be ignorant about it, live blissfully, and proceed as though we had perfect head of hair, riches, and women. Acted as such and enter into the world with said vigor.

What alternatives are there? Hair piece? Escorts? Mini van and going gta like that psycho did a few weeks ago? Buy a gun like Elliot Roger's and get back at cruel world?

You aren't damned. You have it together. Mitigate what you can but, there's so much more to do than obsess the way some guys do. You aren't one of the guys.

Good luck man. I hope you have successfully hit the mark, whatever that maybe. I am going to attempt to maintain otherwise, I will undercut, buzz or shave and grow a little beard. Then go get baes!

Edit BTW how is your scalp? I hear the oh of our scalp is coinciding with hair loss. For me, I used Accutane and switched on the male pattern baldness genes. I am seeking a holistic natural shampoo with a baking soda base to help my scalp. I will use it and see if I can either stop loss or minimize it. Buzzing and beard is the best thing to do otherwise.
That's a good philosophy man thanks for sharing. I think my scalp is fairly healthy. It can get itchy often but its not localised to the parts I am receding, my head is itchy everywhere. I really hope I can at least maintain sometime soon. Going bald before 25 is really not an option for me.
 

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If nothing else is working try the Scalp Elixir - a mix of good stuff for hair-loss. Just came in the mail, tried it last night, it's got some kinda kick to it, but too early to tell if it's going to work:

https://www.hairIossrevolution.com/grogenix/scalp-elixir/

Looks and sounds cool
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Sounds cool but also seems like a snake oil. Keep me updated on how it goes though.
Visit a derm

If its sth else attack that


If not...youre just fucked

Youre hairfolicles are super sensitive to dht


Id try dura then

If thats not work...you have to try the most powerful yet the hardest drug - acceptance
I can't see how my follicles are super sensitive if I was balding fairly slow before treatments? I literally have no testosterone or DHT in my body so it surely must be something else?
 

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Holy sh*t Andy that's a fucked up nuclear regimen you got there, last time i saw one of your post you seemed to be a good responder to oral minoxidil, what happened ?
For how long now have you been on this ?
 

AnxiousAndy

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Holy sh*t Andy that's a fucked up nuclear regimen you got there, last time i saw one of your post you seemed to be a good responder to oral minoxidil, what happened ?
For how long now have you been on this ?
I know, its tragic how far I have fallen :( I initially was a good responder to oral minoxidil but after 3 months of regrowth a shed from hell started and has been ongoing for 5 and a half months now :( I've lost a lot of ground since then. I've been on the cyproterone and estrogen for just over a month now.
 

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I know, its tragic how far I have fallen :( I initially was a good responder to oral minoxidil but after 3 months of regrowth a shed from hell started and has been ongoing for 5 and a half months now :( I've lost a lot of ground since then. I've been on the cyproterone and estrogen for just over a month now.

You could try a topical alternative for your regimen, i don't know, your DHT level must already be quite low but you got nothing to loose.

Topical cetrizine seems to be a cheap, but weak, pick for PGD2, you can find threads about making a topical solution.

A preliminary study on topical cetirizine in the therapeutic management of androgenetic alopecia.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28604133

You can try to add dermaroll for absorption + topical finasteride / RU

Good luck brah
 

pjhair

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When I first started finasteride I did notice an acceleration of my male pattern baldness. It wasn't shedding though, the root was literally transparent and the tip was thick. As treatment progressed one half of the hair would be thick and the other invisible it was the strangest thing. Overtime I added in minoxidil which did work for a few months but then this shed I'm currently going through started and its been going on for 5 and a half months now so I'm slowly weening off it. I don't remember if my hair was oily before but what I do know since starting HRT is that my scalp and skin is fairly dry, including my hair which doesn't seem to get greasy as fast. I don't get pimples or anything either. I believe initally I did suffer from reflex androgenicity but I don't think I am anymore as my hairs are no longer invisible at the root, but they definitely still are thinning towards it. My problem now is the number of hairs I am shedding which wasn't a problem before minoxidil. When I did start HRT there was a whole week where I shed almost no hairs and I was convinced it was working but the shed quickly came back up to shedding 150 - 200 hairs again. I'd like to think its the minoxidil causing me this shed because there's nothing else it could be, I was never much of a shedder before it. I can't see how I'm still losing hair with all the side effects that I have. It makes literally no sense :(


Shaving is a no go for me, my head is f*****g huge with a tall forehead. Build is skinny fat and can't gain muscle to save myself. I'm only 20 and being bald at that age is a social and romantic death sentence. Its easy enough to recommend shaving when you're not in that position yourself.

As you indicate that your hair wasn't shedding when you started finasteride and you didn't experience any increase in scalp sebum, you are likely not suffering from reflex hyperandrogenicity which is actually a good thing. You can try dropping minoxidil and see if your hair loss slows down. You can also consider switching to stronger anti androgens such as dutasteride.
 

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Save your donor hair,m money
and hang in there. Ur young u will have all the hair u want by the time ur
thirty better cures are closer than ever
 

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As you indicate that your hair wasn't shedding when you started finasteride and you didn't experience any increase in scalp sebum, you are likely not suffering from reflex hyperandrogenicity which is actually a good thing. You can try dropping minoxidil and see if your hair loss slows down. You can also consider switching to stronger anti androgens such as dutasteride.
Yea I should be completely off minoxidil in the next 3 months. Going to drop it really slowly to try and avoid even more shedding. I might try dutasteride this year but its so expensive
 

AnxiousAndy

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Save your donor hair,m money
and hang in there. Ur young u will have all the hair u want by the time ur
thirty better cures are closer than ever
I really hope you're right.
 

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I really hope you're right.
Where there's money to.be made their will be a cure. Today's methods just aren't cutting it. For most . And a lot money is.being lost. From what I've been reading up on. A cure is real close just save as much money as u can. It will probably be expensive to start and then the price will trickle down. Just my 2 cents.
 

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AnxiousAndy you seem to move on to treatments very quickly. The most successful thing you can do with growing your hair back is sticking to something for 6 months and FORGETTING about it. Don't look, don't touch, don't change, don't add. In 6 months reevaluate and move on to something then.

You are making the mistake of switching crap around. Which is a mistake we all make because we want our damn hair back yesterday. Hair doesn't 'reset' and grow that quickly though.

I am sure you will be off whatever you are taking now soon because the stuff you are taking is UNSUSTAINABLE. It will eventually cause side effects that are not worth dealing with.
 
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