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this is consistent with what i've read. 50mg and beyond seems to increase risk for no reason.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2017.1290566
How To Cure Baldness By Altering Hormones While Retaining Masculinity
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this is consistent with what i've read. 50mg and beyond seems to increase risk for no reason.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2017.1290566
He would be able to get away with using lower doses of CPA if he combined it with a sufficient amount of E. However, we aren’t aware of his current testosterone levels, and that’s an important factor when determining whether the estradiol will be able to deplete the remaining about of testosterone. In my opinion, he should use 50mg/day for the initial month and then reduce his amount down to 25mg/day, especially since his dosage of estradiol is small.
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Honestly a lot of people I've noticed take small E doses (or worse full AA treatments with no E at all) and that in and of itself is not a good thing. The endocrine system depends on one or the other being at normal levels, and there is no way some of these people are getting normal female levels with just 1mg E or something. But I guess they're trying to cling to their masculinity.
Most of us take small doses of estradiol, including myself, to minimise feminisation. Our main goals are recovering from hair loss, and these medications are just treatments. Although, it’s not required to have sex hormones, where androgen deprivation therapy is used alone.
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OP, how is your hair nowadays? Whats your regime?
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And @nWo Wolfpac ?
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You will be castrated alright but in a very angry mood. Hormone unbalance can f up your brain big time.
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Lol , congratulation, you will be a women. Good for you .
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Lol, First at all, the initial increase of testosterone is useless, you will not get bigger muscle cause a 20 % more T . Second , that is only in short therm , all the studies shows that at long term Testosterone decrease, Progesterone decrease and Estrogen increase. When you Kill DHT, you kill the ying/yang relation between Estrogens and DHT and the hormone that control both ( progesterone, a 5-alpha reductase and a aromatase inhibition hormone ) .
Why you think GLAXO never did the phase 3 for Androgenetic Alopecia in USA, even when the phase 2 was a success ? From 164 countries in the world, Dutasteride for Androgenetic Alopecia was only approve in two countries, South Korea and Japan.
Plus by killing 5-alpha reductase, you are also killing neuroesteroids. For example , this enzyme convert Pregnolone into Allopregnolone ( a calm neurosteroid associated with Gaba ) . And this is why 5- alpha reductase inhibitor ( isotretinoin, finasteride, dutasteride ) cause anxiety an depression in most people ( if not in all ) .
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Hello everyone.
I have been looking at this forum for a long time.
Just some little backstory. Im 26, diffuse thinner who has tried most things and failed (Duta, finasteride, RU, minoxidil, castrol oil).
Been almost a year on Duta and my hair has been destroyed. RU gave me really bad sides (dick wouldnt work + insomnia).
I am thinking about a completely new regimen that is a little bit more experimental.
Here is what I am thinking about trying:
Topical 1: spironolactone (same concentration as the S5 cream), CB 03 01 at 7.5%, and a low dose of Bi estro (half a pump). 1 x day
Topical 2: containing 10% minoxidil, Dutasteride 0.1%, Fina 0.25%. 2 x day
Also using topical cetirizine with diluted water every day. One pill freshly dissolved each time.
Orally: Castor Oil, Duta twice a week at 0.5, Fina every day at 1.25.
I am also seeing a doctor in order to get a loniten prescription. Is there anything else I should add? Maybe a low dose of cypro, bica? Topical PGE2?
I want to have good hair without becoming hormonally female. Thanks in advance!
I have been looking at this forum for a long time.
Just some little backstory. Im 26, diffuse thinner who has tried most things and failed (Duta, finasteride, RU, minoxidil, castrol oil).
Been almost a year on Duta and my hair has been destroyed. RU gave me really bad sides (dick wouldnt work + insomnia).
I am thinking about a completely new regimen that is a little bit more experimental.
Here is what I am thinking about trying:
Topical 1: spironolactone (same concentration as the S5 cream), CB 03 01 at 7.5%, and a low dose of Bi estro (half a pump). 1 x day
Topical 2: containing 10% minoxidil, Dutasteride 0.1%, Fina 0.25%. 2 x day
Also using topical cetirizine with diluted water every day. One pill freshly dissolved each time.
Orally: Castor Oil, Duta twice a week at 0.5, Fina every day at 1.25.
I am also seeing a doctor in order to get a loniten prescription. Is there anything else I should add? Maybe a low dose of cypro, bica? Topical PGE2?
I want to have good hair without becoming hormonally female. Thanks in advance!
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Eh. I am becoming resigned to the point that hair is for chicks, not dicks, since that's pithy and pretty much covers all attempts like yours with failure from the beginning. If duta/finasteride cause baldness, then all of male pattern baldness science is kaput in its entirety. As I often say, stacks of things that don't work on their own, are unlikely to grow hair, like prostaglandins, and anti-androgens without sides are without hair improvement to go along with it and such guys using them are very important to the rest of us, as data points showing how not to improve hair with pics/no pics to prove it since the dudes look the same for a while and then they shed and proceed to baldness as per nature's plan for people with beards. Virtually no one on the planet can maintain great hair once beard hair and body hair have taken root since we all know that DHT promotes hair growth in mammals without hairless patches but white men and Semitic men choose to pretend otherwise. Some incels actually use minoxidil for beard growth and that's unlikely to ever be good for scalp hair growth. I know of many bears with abundant hair helmets and endless cm's of body hair but they overall effect is far from attractive and our hair helmet idols generally have too much hair to have it look good, sort of like Neanderthals with the hair line proceeding into the brows.
Here's the connected thing. spironolactone, Bica and CPA don't work for hair at all as far as I can tell except via temporary hormonal fluctuations in men with prostate cancer. Estrogen doesn't need finasteride or AA's but some might find that AA's increase the speed of bodily response together with estradiol but I am the Queen/King of topical estrogen use and you can't get to the hair without at least chancing upon large breasts. I could have stopped and looked decent but hair is never enough so I kept going and now I have very nice cis-female-like tits or as I quip. I asked Goddess for my teenage hair back and She threw in a great pair of tits and a cute face for free!
Oral minoxidil and microneedling are probably only faintly involved with hormones or feminization so maybe try those. I sought to save the great unwashed XY's out there from hair loss and humiliation but it didn't work. Estrogel goes systemic and quite easily. I use it on my face and scalp for more so the rejuvenation effects and anti-DHT effects perhaps in breast tissue and facial and scalp tissue but my efforts all came a cropper so to speak and this is/was the best B&A I can provide from those attempts and I at least don't look chemically female in these two pics. I could have at least survived looking like pic two but estrogen goes systemic for breast growth at far lower levels than it does for face or hair and you can't fake this.
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"If duta/finasteride cause baldness, then all of male pattern baldness science is kaput in its entirety."
Anyways, I always see you posting the same progress pictures from years ago and talking wonders about estrogen and having tits. Congrats on your gains but i get the vibe you're trying to promote HRT regimens at all costs which is really strange.
What are you saying here? I'm not saying dutasteride is bad for hairloss.
There's people who have had great results with CPA, spironolactone and Duta. Others had crazy regrowth with ohflutamide or topical estrogen in low doses without loosing penis size and growing tits. Everyone is different but it can be done.
You need to understand that the hair is pointless if it is going to kill the dick and make cis men grow tits. Nobody on his right mind would sacrifice their masculinity in order to get hair.
Anyways, I always see you posting the same progress pictures from years ago and talking wonders about estrogen and having tits. Congrats on your gains but i get the vibe you're trying to promote HRT regimens at all costs which is really strange.
I would sacrifice it, in fact as of today I am on that road. But then again I'm not your typical cis male. This however does not change the fact that for some people hair is more important then gyno or libido, and this does not make them "not in their right mind", they simply have different priorities. I'm one of those people, and I'd take my dick not working and gyno over baldness any day.
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Someone on a similar thread stated that dutasteride made him bald in front or made his hairline worse, something to that effect and I hear rumblings/murmurings like that often among the balding. Maybe it's true. Nobody tests duta anymore.
My question then is:
Who people or what people have had great results with CPA, spironolactone or Bica? None to my knowledge without concurrent dosing of estradiol and the two together must at least spoof higher estrogen levels above the normal female range. By the 50's, many men and women do the hormonal flip as I call it, accounting for the "Yes, Dear" phenomenon and for wives becoming less pleasant as they age. Males some times have the advantage here if they age gracefully but you need at least most of your hair to do this.
Why do I write so much? Because basically I have had all hair outcomes, male and female in one soon to be 57 year old life. Yes, I have six years of pics on my thread showing all aspects, to and fro, and dimensionally so to speak. I read constantly and I memorize things easily in a functional sense and I can make sense out of apparent contradictions about how estrogen works even conjecturally.
The guys who try to do this except for @bridgeburn are all very young or dabblers with no idea what they are doing or what estradiol amounts correspond with feminization outcomes. I tell everyone that unless you want boobs, use high dose estradiol and of course, none of them do that. They use estriol like some XY geniuses advised maybe on this thread but certainly on others. They wasted everyone's time since they never sigh off like Bridge did or I shall, at some point since I bore quite easily. None of them have pictures. Let's see the progress pics you refer to because we have been all through this from all angles on the Bridge thread. Most were either very young when using bica say or they used it in conjunction with estrogens. Unfortunately, many MtF's are unable to restore their own hair and two wrote in to tell Rob Winter that he was full of sh*t saying that trannies get their hair back. That's what really hooked me. The notion of ignorant MtF's arguing against hair restoration and in favor of transplants and I have seen it in person too with people with only slight recession getting transplants and forehead reduction which the hair will do itself fine, once it comes in and they also claim that nothing helps reduce brow ridges. I have only had dental surgery and some things apparently do reduce brow ridges and I document this on my hair and transition blog which is prettier but not devoted to advice but more so to inspire some and if it uninspires others then that's great too.
I have no ax to grind except I put people on notice that estrogen in large amounts, especially with an AA (duta/finasteride don't matter) is not only feminizing for some people but it's also stereotypically more feminine than females are in terms of destroying sex drive and ability to perform unless perfectly calibrated and many chicks require rigidity more than size to enjoy sex. I intended to verify the hair improvement aspects related to friends and family and how they react to someone visibly younger and with female-type hair and some ductal pudginess at least, since that part of breast growth might indeed be permanent and people prefer to be around attractive people with hair like I at least was back in 1982 when Father last ordered me to cut my hair and I was like all of the soccer guys and rock starts are wearing it long plus King Henry VIII loved his hose and dresses and dressing but Father told me to become a king first and then get back to him. Nah, only Janey can roll off puns like that. I just got a haircut and decided to hate my father and his hirsuite pate.
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It was the Austrian school of economics that discovered that all value imputations are pointless because they are subjective and so, just adding up labor costs and input costs doesn't necessarily equal the market price of any particular good or service. I lament certain things but 30 years ago it was seen as imprudent to use any estrogenic substances save for prostate cancer since dermatologists needed to maintain birth rates and soldiers fully capable of protecting the national interest.
Now we have drones flown by incels doing the killing so life imitates are once again as no sort of drone killing is fully satisfying because it's not a fair match-up and all and these acts of ours are routinely committed in the middle east and most Americans find that just fine since only Americans and Brits, sort of, matter over here. Canadians are exactly the same except they speak a sort of "gee whiz" English where they struggle to pronounce words like "out" properly and they all have that nasal twang like people from Minnesota and Patrick the Starfish have. Where was I? I digress but hair is a value judgment like having a big dick. I want the hair and not the big dick although medium was fine and I have no regrets about the numbers of naked women at different times sprawled about my apartments in law school. Most of them left when I showed no interest since I was buried with my head in books all of the time but one loved hanging around and playing Tetris on my Mac and then she asked my sister to tell me it was time for a ring and my mother gave me hers which you don't get back in a divorce but that's how nasty life can become.
My experiences at 56 are far more exhilarating now than laying cable because they fundamentally involve the creation versus the unveiling of my alter who's been not so patiently waiting the last ten years for her chance. I don't dig or seek hot man on man action since that usually interests XX's much more than cuckold imagery and fetishes do but I also know what psychological aspects are linked to being hormonally female and pretty much all of the male aspects are objectively, lol, not just subjectively inferior. Mothers don't let your sons grow up with baldness. Puberty blockers await and only the XY driven by a life involving choice can really have any measured opinions on this except something akin to Fight Club where XY females are excluded. Yet we are the main ones who react to the message of Fight Club which involves making changes in routine or as I use as a mantra:
It's only after disaster can we be resurrected; it's only after you've lost everything that you are free to do anything and I can hear Tyler talking to me but for me, it's Janey, that's the alter ego not Ed Norton who like me, appears to be "gay" with his own alter ego. That's a powerful psychology to emulate.
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You are right, let me rephrase right mind by anyone who values their masculinity above their hair, which is most people. Still congrats on finding a way of keeping your hair, but it is not for me, I would rock the bald look or wear a hair system before feminizing myself.
Yeah, I think that's a better way to put it. I never valued my masculinity, I pretended to but it just made be feel depressed and generally unwell. So taking this into account I don't have much of a problem with the effects of HRT.
But if you truly value your masculinity, then I hope you find a way to save your hair and keep as much of it as you can. Although, from what I've seen and read on this forum and other places, it's kind of hard to fully retain both if you have the "balding gene" running in your family. But if you think you can rock the bald look, then that's not much of a problem for you. Although I will give you a little warning from my experience, when I still tried to fit into the "real man" role, I kept telling myself, under the influence of others around me, that nothing can be done about my hair loss and If I go bald then I'll just live with it. But all I was doing was repressing my real desires, I simply cannot live without my hair. I'm so desperate to save it that it took me less then two months from finding out about the effects of HRT for hair to taking my first dose of Estrogen. So my warning is, you never know how your opinion may change in the future. Anyway, having said that, I wish everything turns out well for you and you don't go bald in the end, and if you do, who knows maybe you will like wearing a hair system if that's what you want.