Hair Tape/glue Health Problems And Risks?

Fanjeera

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That’s life gents; you have to back your own judgement. Toobad is an experienced medic (I would guess a very highly qualified one), and he has articulated the risks, but he personally is still taking those risks by wearing a hairpiece attached with adhesive. You can take comfort from the fact that most of the posters on this forum are taking the same risks, and no one is reporting health problems. You can also take comfort from the fact that there are literally millions of hairpiece wearers who have been wearing for decades, and yet you do not see any significant reports of health problems. If that is not sufficient comfort you, you should be considering carefully whether hair replacement is right for you. This is something that is intended to improve your quality of life - not keep on tenterhooks as to whether you are poisoning yourself.
But in the end, yes. I even took finasteride. If we didn't have Ghostbond, I would probably be attaching with the most toxic glues anyway still. Being bald would just kick me into suicidal depression and that is death anyway. Which is better: being dead and bald or with hair and some chemicals? Right now 0 depression.
 

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That’s life gents; you have to back your own judgement. Toobad is an experienced medic (I would guess a very highly qualified one), and he has articulated the risks, but he personally is still taking those risks by wearing a hairpiece attached with adhesive. You can take comfort from the fact that most of the posters on this forum are taking the same risks, and no one is reporting health problems. You can also take comfort from the fact that there are literally millions of hairpiece wearers who have been wearing for decades, and yet you do not see any significant reports of health problems. If that is not sufficient comfort you, you should be considering carefully whether hair replacement is right for you. This is something that is intended to improve your quality of life - not keep you on tenterhooks as to whether you are poisoning yourself.
Good way to look at it. Still it would be nice to have some actual data or at least someone confirming these things. The fact that they are silent on it makes me suspicious. I have spoke with the owner at pro hair labs and all he can tell me is it has no harmful chemicals? On the other hand yes, I still feel a connection would have been made by now to the glues and tapes if the masses of people where having health problems with them, I can honestly say I cant find one person claiming this.
 

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I'm more of thinking about cancer... Like Toobad said it's hard to know if cancer came from the glues but I mean if we know 100% that ghost bond isn't entering our bloodstream the risk of getting it would be lowered pretty much to almost 0%, am I right?
 

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I'm more of thinking about cancer... Like Toobad said it's hard to know if cancer came from the glues but I mean if we know 100% that ghost bond isn't entering our bloodstream the risk of getting it would be lowered pretty much to almost 0%, am I right?
I agree, do you have any connections to chemists? Or anyone who studies this? Ghost bond is water based so I'm not real sure if it does or not.
 

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I e-mailed with a chemist from a university and he said that glues are simple things: a macromolecule that forms a film and the solvent that evaporates and absorbs if fat-soluble. Macromolecules don't absorb through skin. He said it may seem so that tapes are less toxic, but actually they may not be, as tapes keep their ingredients secret. Or do we know what tapes are made of? I think there might have been one tape that said their ingredients.
 
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I e-mailed with a chemist from a university and he said that glues are simple things: a macromolecule that forms a film and the solvent that evaporates and absorbs if fat-soluble. Macromolecules don't absorb through skin. He said it may seem so that tapes are less toxic, but actually they may not be, as tapes keep their ingredients secret. Or do we know what tapes are made of? I think there might have been one tape that said their ingredients.
So where does ghost bond fall in this? No absorbed through the skin? It does not get into the body at all?
 

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I e-mailed with a chemist from a university and he said that glues are simple things: a macromolecule that forms a film and the solvent that evaporates and absorbs if fat-soluble. Macromolecules don't absorb through skin. He said it may seem so that tapes are less toxic, but actually they may not be, as tapes keep their ingredients secret. Or do we know what tapes are made of? I think there might have been one tape that said their ingredients.

Could we send all of the ingredients of Ghost bond to the chemist you are talking too and see if he knows anything of those entering our bloodstream?
 

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So where does ghost bond fall in this? No absorbed through the skin? It does not get into the body at all?
I think so.

Could we send all of the ingredients of Ghost bond to the chemist you are talking too and see if he knows anything of those entering our bloodstream?
He said "no" even before I had asked him that :D. He told me to find a good lab because many are not capable of doing it and also one that's actually interested in this subject, because it would not be cheap.

He accentuated that without even knowing what the components are you cannot assess anything. You first need to know the ingredients.

He said that glues are simple things -- their ingredients are simple because they just consist of two things: the solvent and the film forming agent. In case of water it's not an actual solution, but a dispersion environment. He said it's similar to milk, because although it is or looks homogeneous it actually consists of two non-water-soluble components: fat and protein. He said that the potential health hazard comes while renewing the glue only, because then you're in contact with the solvent again. If you do it only once or rarely the hazard is small because the amount of solvent is not huge and most of it would just evaporate. I showed him the ingredients of Ghostbond specifically and he said that he would say that it is quite safe that as it's a water based acrylic glue. Acrylate doesn't tend to absorb he said.

Then I also showed him some Walker Ultrahold's document and he said that it's not adequate as no film forming agent is even listed. And from the 4 ingredients that were listed the most dangerous was toluene. But he again repeated that it all depends on how often you process your skin with it.

He also said that plain emotionally it would seem that liquid glues will absorb through the skin more. But he said you cannot forecast whether tapes are safer or not and accentuated that chemists don't estimate the future and believe in anything, but deal with knowledge and tell what they know and because of that they are only rarely wrong. And again he asked me how could I even decide on something's safety, if I don't even know the ingredients. So from this I collect that the assumption that tapes are safer shouldn't be done, but it's an easy rookie mistake to do so, if you don't know chemistry.

I talked to the local health agency and they said I could check the weird or general name of the ingredient in this database so see what is actually meant by it: https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.simple

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=31648
I think this is Ghostbond's only ingredient.

Some authority or specialist also told me that by the regulation cosmetic products cannot keep their ingredients secret. At least in the European Union. But these things come from US?
 
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I think so.

He said "no" even before I had asked him that :D. He told me to find a good lab because many are not capable of doing it and also one that's actually interested in this subject, because it would not be cheap.

He accentuated that without even knowing what the components are you cannot assess anything. You first need to know the ingredients.

He said that glues are simple things -- their ingredients are simple because they just consist of two things: the solvent and the film forming agent. In case of water it's not an actual solution, but a dispersion environment. He said it's similar to milk, because although it is or looks homogeneous it actually consists of two non-water-soluble components: fat and protein. He said that the potential health hazard comes while renewing the glue only, because then you're in contact with the solvent again. If you do it only once or rarely the hazard is small because the amount of solvent is not huge and most of it would just evaporate. I showed him the ingredients of Ghostbond specifically and he said that he would say that it is quite safe that as it's a water based acrylic glue. Acrylate doesn't tend to absorb he said.

Then I also showed him some Walker Ultrahold's document and he said that it's not adequate as no film forming agent is even listed. And from the 4 ingredients that were listed the most dangerous was toluene. But he again repeated that it all depends on how often you process your skin with it.

He also said that plain emotionally it would seem that liquid glues will absorb through the skin more. But he said you cannot forecast whether tapes are safer or not and accentuated that chemists don't estimate the future and believe in anything, but deal with knowledge and tell what they know and because of that they are only rarely wrong. And again he asked me how could I even decide on something's safety, if I don't even know the ingredients. So from this I collect that the assumption that tapes are safer shouldn't be done, but it's an easy rookie mistake to do so, if you don't know chemistry.

I talked to the local health agency and they said I could check the weird or general name of the ingredient in this database so see what is actually meant by it: https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.simple

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=31648
I think this is Ghostbond's only ingredient.

Some authority or specialist also told me that by the regulation cosmetic products cannot keep their ingredients secret. At least in the European Union. But these things come from US?
So if I'm following this correctly, ghost bond should not enter the body because its consistency is similar to milk? And tapes are not safer
 

Fanjeera

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So if I'm following this correctly, ghost bond should not enter the body because its consistency is similar to milk? And tapes are not safer
The analogy with milk is just to explain that although it looks homogenous it consists of two big different components.
 

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So what should we do next guys? Just go with ghost bond and hope it doesnt do any harm longterm
 

cratusg

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That's what I'm doing, what is your current hair loss treatment?
Yeah Alright! Nw4 atm with no treatment. Thats why i wanted to go for a hair system but I dont wanna increase my risk of getting cancer in 10-20 years if glues can cause that. Thats why i want to find out with ghost bond
 

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To be honest, if you guys are afraid of the risk of cancer from adhesives or alcohol, I suggest you don't get a hair system.
 

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How come? Isn't it worth to find out wether ghost bond is harmful long term or not? :)
I think it is worth it to find out but we will never get a square answer. I can tell you I have never heard any reports out of the ten of thousands or millions world wide who blamed any health problems on hair systems...the whole purpose of this thread is to be made aware its possible...but does not mean you will have any issues. The same as we can prove that we wont...is the same we can prove that we will
 

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I think it is worth it to find out but we will never get a square answer. I can tell you I have never heard any reports out of the ten of thousands or millions world wide who blamed any health problems on hair systems...the whole purpose of this thread is to be made aware its possible...but does not mean you will have any issues. The same as we can prove that we wont...is the same we can prove that we will
Yup exactly. We will never know 100% sure what it will do long term BUT it would ease my mind to know that ghost bond doesn't go into bloodstream. That would lower the potential risk a lot I believe...
 
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