Going Bald In Less Than A Year, Need Advice

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Three right now. Long hair hides a lot, there used to be layers and layers of hair like above. Back thinning similar to top. Hair looks thinner and lighter at the root.

This is salvageable, I don't see any overt inflammation, in which case I would recommend a topical corticosteroid, mometasone or betamethasone are recommended, do not go higher, and definitely do not use clobetasol, too much anti-inflammatory will trigger telogen effluvium as much as too much inflammation.

I know I have immune problems, but I went to a Doctor and he straight up told me he does not believe I have scarring alopecia, so that's good.

I believe a lot of hair loss is inherently treatable, it's just that the medical community doesn't seem to give too much of a f*** about figuring it out. I believe idiocracy got it wrong, but then again Mike Judge is a bald man resigned to his fate, but a huge advancement for civilization will be conquering this disorder not a sign of a civilation in decline.

If you have diffuse shedding, something is going on, if you can get your testosterone down far enough that you feel like there's a fundamental change in your body chemistry that you can feel and your hair still isn't coming back, it's likely not test/DHT.

The sneaky killers are insulin/IGF-1 GH and DHEA.

If you don't have outright nasty inflammation, and you're getting diffuse hair loss and it does not look like alopecia areata, then you need to get a hormone panel done.

I kind of sickens me how doctors just won't take a better perspective about hair loss, because those hormones are just as implicated in it.

That being said, if money is less of an object you could always do PRP every other month and that should help, I definitely got hair gains from PRP but spending 1400 per month for 3 vials, even though it was a good deal, was a painful affair and expensive.

I'd rather do it once ever 4 to 6 and figure out an adjunct therapy that kept those gains going in the meantime.
 

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I was in clobestsol for awhile a new ‘hair’ dermatologist said I should get on betamethaszone. I have been using a lot of topcial Dutasteride and low dose Propecia and it is only getting worse. I have HGH and my IGF1 was in the tank.

I think this is male pattern baldness and I’ve wasted all of my time and hair thinking it was something else that could recover. I no longer have that hope. I can’t stand the itch
 

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Hello. At 39 I had zero hairloss. Long, thick, wavy black hair that I could barely contain to style.

In August I noticed some shedding and thinning at the vertex and immediately saw a dermatologist. Her first diagnosis was Telogen Effluvium. I wasn't confident in a single diagnosis and saw three additional dermatologists along with a biopsy. All but one said it was a diffuse Telogen Effluvium and that I should be patient it would all return within a year. They were hair specialists in Chicago at the most reputable hospital in the city.

I waited. The loss worsened as I waited for the promise of a return. I saw her again in December and was assured it was going improve. On my return four month visit the Doctor seems to be waver and is now directing me to Rogaine and Propecia.

I have lost so much hair. I started Rogaine May 1 and the shedding is crazy.

I am so angry that I could have saved my hair if I had started treatment in August when it was full and thick. I feel like it was malpractice.

Can anyone help me understand timing and the potential for regrowth under these conditions? I am healthy, marathoner in a strict pales diet.

The loss has been very very diffuse. Only now am I starting to see thinning at the temple.

Can I recover?

Appreciate any real insight. It is so hard to get honest answers.

If you're doing keto, that's why you're losing hair, I have known somebody who did keto, did it to lose weight, and get ripped and their triglycerides went through the f*****g roof and their hair started going.

Keto isn't good for hair, your hair needs a certain amount of glucose to grow, keto principally will raise blood lipid levels which we know is not good for hair loss. That being said consuming a sh*t ton of sugar is not good, and diabetes is not good, but like many body processes, they rely on glucose to function properly, and keto basically fucks that up, it's not what it's cracked up to be.

Nearly every person I've known who went on keto had to get off eventually due to mounting health issues.

If you are shedding and it feels like a rolling cycle that does not end, something is going on in your body (obviously)

The thing is if it accompanies skin manifestations such as dandruff, acne, extreme scalp oiliness, inflammation or even sores, that is a sign of some form of inflammatory process in response to something or malfunctioning (as in autoimmune related).

Other causes can be bacterial (been there), low hormones such as cortisol (been there), or even parasitic microorganisms such as demodex (been there).

If you don't have angry red skin on your scalp, acne open sores, aggressive dander, I would suspect three things.

- poor growth factor response (minoxidil will treat this, but I highly recommend against using anything with polyethylene glycol if you have any unexplained hairloss)

- excessive antioxidants, these will inhibit hair shaft elongation, cut out excessive amounts of them, identify them in your diet or foods and restrict them, this means no ridiculous amounts of vit-c, etc.

- inadequate estrogen, no amount of killing DHT will replace the hair growth effects of estrogen, if you're a poor aromatizer (if you're relentlessly lean and skinny no matter how much dutasteride and finasteride you take, that's probably you), you likely have a problem of inadequate estrogen.

- and covid, yes f*****g covid, I'm pretty sure I've had it and I have read stories from other people who have had it and they had absolutely depressing levels of Telogen Effluvium associated with it. Covid specifically causes a sh*t f*****g ton of inflammation and just does not stop, it's a very stubborn and pernicious virus.

During the time I suspected myself to have it, I had insane allergic reactions constantly, I basically had to live on antihistamines.

With regard to any of the other causes, there are pretty straightforward things you can do to offset the cause of hairloss.

In the case of covid, and you will know if you've had it, feeling feverish, a persistent heaviness in your chest, headaches, dizziness, then you 100% need to make sure you're aggressively offsetting inflammation, and I do recommend getting on antihistamines if you have felt like you have had stubborn allergies that just won't go away over the last few months that you've had problems.

I am not a doctor and I'm not in any capacity to replace one, but I know 100% for certain that BHT, or butylated hydroxytoluene the food preservative does help your body kill covid, because it destroys the lipid barrier of the virus so your immune system can kill it.

The catch is, BHT is a monstrously powerful antioxidant, if you suspect yourself of having covid, it will run interference on the virus, but you must use it sparingly because bombing it straight will impede hair as well, it's a balancing act.

The best thing you can do if you have covid is to mitigate histamine, I recommend cetirizine personally or if you're having real problems, hydroxyzine, but that sh*t will put you out, so don't take it during the day.
 
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I was in clobestsol for awhile a new ‘hair’ dermatologist said I should get on betamethaszone. I have been using a lot of topcial Dutasteride and low dose Propecia and it is only getting worse. I have HGH and my IGF1 was in the tank.

I think this is male pattern baldness and I’ve wasted all of my time and hair thinking it was something else that could recover. I no longer have that hope. I can’t stand the itch

LOL, dude I'm so sorry, I got conned into taking clobetasol as well and it fucked my hair so hard.

Nope, clobetasol is way too harsh, betamethasone is the absolute most powerful I would go for topical corticosteroids.

Give yourself some time to rest, don't use any corticosteroids for a while, and if you do get back on them, betamethasone at best, and yes you will get a shed off that, but it will get better unlike clobetasol which is like a nuclear f*****g bomb.

If you aren't seeing progress with dutasteride or finasteride, then I would stop bombing yourself with it, I took finasteride for like close to three months and the hair shedding just didn't stop, there is such a thing as using too much of something.

If you're having itching, then let your scalp recover from clobetasol, get on antihistamines, yes, nearly everything you take that improves your scalp and skin will trigger a shed because it's a form of recalibration, the difference is if you have the right dose, it should get better.

Also if you're taking pain killers, those will cause hair loss, just the way it is, same with antibiotics.

So in summary.

Lay off the excessive antiandrogens.

Stop nuking your scalp with high potency corticosteroids

Use antihistamines, but not benadryl, use cetirizine or hydroxyzine at night if you have serious problems.

If your itching is directly on the top of the scalp and accompanies any redness that did not go away with antihistamines or corticosteroids, you need to get checked for demodex, it's a microbial parasite that can live in hair follicles and f*** up your hair, most notably it gets into eyebrows and makes them sparse but can also cause acne in general.

Antihistamines should help reduce the itching if you're using the right one.
 

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ok answer the question. do you really think BDD is anywhere near as bad as real hair loss?
Balding at a young age is definitely worse because it robs you of your youth and it eliminates you from competing with guys of your own peers who have a full head of hair. You are always the one that will get mocked or treated differently especially when you are brave enough to date and ask someone out. Even in social settings you will be viewed as different and will be stereotyped and misjudged simply by how much hair you have. Hollywood has embedded a negative image of the bald guy already for decades as the villain or muscle head.

Most people with BDD tend to be very attractive so they always have the advantage over the bald guy. The only disadvantage they have is the one they create in their mind. Mental illness can be crippling for anyone. However, it usually manifests from past bad experiences such as bullying or physical or mental abuse from family members or friends.

Balding is a trait unfortunately you have no control over and it's not so easy to hide once it becomes aggressive and it's costly to try to conceal. And you always have the dilemma in deciding if you want to spill the beans that you either wear a system or had a hair transplant. Some people just don't like to have that conversation and have to live with the burden of someone finding out your secret. And I really believe deep down inside everyone cares of what other people think no matter how much they want to believe they can pretend they don't.

Hair transplants and hair systems are options but are not for everyone. They are lifetime commitments that some people may not have the finances or backbone to even go that route.

BDD is not necessarily imaginary but it more of an exaggeration of how the person views his flaw. Basically making a mountain out of mole hill. Social medial created the BDD epidemic. Now you have to look perfect if you want to be the next instagram model who becomes famous over night. Most of the guys that come on this forum for advice think the moment they see scalp, it must be balding. If you have lower than average density or fine hair, you will question if you are balding. Or if you are shedding over 100 hairs per day you must be balding. The problem is you won't really know for sure until you hit a NW3 or worse.

@Exodus2011 I know you have one of the worse cases on here so I can understand how you no longer fit in here. Most guys on here never experienced what you have.

And to answer why I have been on here for so long is simply because I have an addictive personality which manifests into BDD for some people. If we are being honest here, you can read all my posts over the past decade and I don't recall one post of me crying about my situation like the OP does. I gave as much support as I could but the reason I never posted my photos because I knew it would only get the reaction @bluecyclone is getting in this thread. I have shown my photos to only the most respected posters on here and they did confirm I do have minor hair loss which I have always admitted from day one since I joined.

I just don't understand why you attacked me all these years when I was being honest about my condition from the beginning. And I know I have helped some people on here because they still contact me for advice. I don't care if they like me or not. I tried to help you in past but because of the hair on my head, you judged me like people judged you.
 
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For context, last year my hair loss hit rock bottom, it was extremely depressing was steered in the wrong direction and did not improve my hair growth at all.

Estrogen applied topically has helped a lot, although it's not the only piece of the puzzle.

Try to follow some of my recommendations, have some patience and see what happens, and with regard to minoxidil, do not use high dosages of it and definitely do not use a PG containing formula. More is not better with min, you should start low and work your way up. 2% is what I would try max. I would actually prefer doing 1% and applying 2x per day for 3 months to see where I'm at and then increase to 2% if I'm not satisfied and the sides don't manifest.
 

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>10 years of posting on a hair loss forum because of BDD hallucination.
>you have more issues than i do

and i dont hate on people there because theres none of these BDD crazies lol.

also as usual strawmanning i see. these BDD incels almost never have any actual hair loss. and when they do its unbelievably minir yet they act like its the end of the world. when you have people with actual hair loss how do you expect us not to get mad at that? lol

im convinced you spend so much time here because you know your problems are bullshit so you've spent a decade justifying and rationalizing them lol

If we're talking about the OP, yes there is absolutely the beginnings of diffuse loss, anyone who doesn't see that is probably envious of the fact that he isn't as far along as some others, and he has a right to be concerned about it, just because it is not horrendously bad now does not mean it could not get worse if he does not treat it.

It's not social life destroying at this point, but it is there.

Nobody should be gaslighting the guy and telling him to stop worrying just because other people here have far worse cases.

He's right to be concerned, but he needs productive insight and answers, not people giving him sh*t.

People shouldn't be crab-bucket shitbags with him just because his level of diffuse loss would be a satisfying level of regrowth for others.
 

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Thanks @DogoDiLaurentiis these are all good suggestions. I did start the beta but only a week so I can stop. There is regrowth at the hairline but it can no longer keep up with the shedding and they are much much thinner.

when a new hair comes in, out of the scalp will it start thick and get thinner or can it start thin and grow thicker? My biggest concern is that up close it looks like hairs are thinning at the point of the root.

curious about the demodex. Can they test for that? I do recall they found some ‘yeast’ in the biopsy years ago.

I am on a strong antibiotic. I had been on minocycline for 2 years before the shedding started. I have no acne anywhere but in my beard, goatee area that gets swollen and inflamed occasionally. Right now they gave me 500mg Keflex.

I can’t tell is the Propecia or Dutasteride are working because I get sides and then try to fight my way back with sh*t like HCG. I was always shedding but was at least regrowing but this is different. October I was still solid, freaking out about shed but still felt like there was hope. The hairs I’m losing now are almost all the same length 4-5 inches, whispy no bulbs.

the safe zone has also thinned. Worst area is a straight line down the center of my head. For the first two years the thinning was mainly the vertex.

I get extensive blood tests every month but no one knows what the f*** to do with them. I’m getting more and more desperate trying alternative doctors. My urologist says one thing, the hairs doctors don’t know a damn thing. Hell 2 years ago before I knew better a PCP put me on Androgel and told me it would help my hair. My testosterone is very high right now but it’s always been close to 900 and when the hairloss started it was at like 200. Under 900 I feel awful.

I’m using:

Topical Dutasteride.5 PGE 6ml 2x week
.25 Propecia (brand) ED
Oral Minoxidil 5mg ED
*HCG 40 3x week stopped this in October and my shedding was insane and has not recovered, started again early February. I know this can f*** me but I can’t use the AA’s wo, Propecia destroyed my sperm count, the HCG helped to recover it. I was on topical Finasteride and HCG for a year and still lost but also regrew a lot.
Keflex 500 mg ED
Biotin, Zinc, and Vitamin D

I have pharma HGH, I tried this August-October and hair and beard got darker. I stopped and shed a ton. I’m afraid I can’t keep up with the insane $ for this. The doctor acted like it was a miracle for hair. It helped but didn’t stop the shedding.

I had iron IV December 2019 and my hair got thick. My ferrying was 30 and went to 380, now it’s leveled off at 90 and they say it’s too high for more infusions. Hands down this is the only time I thought things could get better but no doctors will prescribe.

I eat gluten free, clean AF
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Appreciate all of the help. It’s just a big change and the itch plus hair everywhere it’s hard to ignore. I’m sure we are all dealing with the added bullshit of having to look at ourselves on Zoom all day. It’s f*****g with my head.
 

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If we're talking about the OP, yes there is absolutely the beginnings of diffuse loss, anyone who doesn't see that is probably envious of the fact that he isn't as far along as some others, and he has a right to be concerned about it, just because it is not horrendously bad now does not mean it could not get worse if he does not treat it.

It's not social life destroying at this point, but it is there.

Nobody should be gaslighting the guy and telling him to stop worrying just because other people here have far worse cases.

He's right to be concerned, but he needs productive insight and answers, not people giving him sh*t.

People shouldn't be crab-bucket shitbags with him just because his level of diffuse loss would be a satisfying level of regrowth for others.
No, he was talking about me. @Exodus2011 has been at war with me for over a decade because my situation mimics the OP's. However, I don't have any past posts that even resembles what you are reading in this thread. I am the most realiable source for the OP as I went thru all this myself. I never shed hairs like the OP but I did lose density slowly like he is now. We both have thyroid issues or at least he did. I still do. And still I can't get thru to him so if you can good luck. He doesn't believe me when I said he will not be bald in the next decade or two.
 

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No, he was talking about me. @Exodus2011 has been at war with me for over a decade because my situation mimics the OP's. However, I don't have any past posts that even resembles what you are reading in this thread. I am the most realiable source for the OP as I went thru all this myself. I never shed hairs like the OP but I did lose density slowly like he is now. We both have thyroid issues or at least he did. I still do. And still I can't get thru to him so if you can good luck. He doesn't believe me when I said he will not be bald in the next decade or two.
I have the same f*****g hairLoss. 400 hairs a day. Diffuse. I'm thinking it's either autoimmune or thyroid
 

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Thanks @DogoDiLaurentiis these are all good suggestions. I did start the beta but only a week so I can stop. There is regrowth at the hairline but it can no longer keep up with the shedding and they are much much thinner.

when a new hair comes in, out of the scalp will it start thick and get thinner or can it start thin and grow thicker? My biggest concern is that up close it looks like hairs are thinning at the point of the root.

curious about the demodex. Can they test for that? I do recall they found some ‘yeast’ in the biopsy years ago.

I am on a strong antibiotic. I had been on minocycline for 2 years before the shedding started. I have no acne anywhere but in my beard, goatee area that gets swollen and inflamed occasionally. Right now they gave me 500mg Keflex.

I can’t tell is the Propecia or Dutasteride are working because I get sides and then try to fight my way back with sh*t like HCG. I was always shedding but was at least regrowing but this is different. October I was still solid, freaking out about shed but still felt like there was hope. The hairs I’m losing now are almost all the same length 4-5 inches, whispy no bulbs.

the safe zone has also thinned. Worst area is a straight line down the center of my head. For the first two years the thinning was mainly the vertex.

I get extensive blood tests every month but no one knows what the f*** to do with them. I’m getting more and more desperate trying alternative doctors. My urologist says one thing, the hairs doctors don’t know a damn thing. Hell 2 years ago before I knew better a PCP put me on Androgel and told me it would help my hair. My testosterone is very high right now but it’s always been close to 900 and when the hairloss started it was at like 200. Under 900 I feel awful.

I’m using:

Topical Dutasteride.5 PGE 6ml 2x week
.25 Propecia (brand) ED
Oral Minoxidil 5mg ED
*HCG 40 3x week stopped this in October and my shedding was insane and has not recovered, started again early February. I know this can f*** me but I can’t use the AA’s wo, Propecia destroyed my sperm count, the HCG helped to recover it. I was on topical Finasteride and HCG for a year and still lost but also regrew a lot.
Keflex 500 mg ED
Biotin, Zinc, and Vitamin D

I have pharma HGH, I tried this August-October and hair and beard got darker. I stopped and shed a ton. I’m afraid I can’t keep up with the insane $ for this. The doctor acted like it was a miracle for hair. It helped but didn’t stop the shedding.

I had iron IV December 2019 and my hair got thick. My ferrying was 30 and went to 380, now it’s leveled off at 90 and they say it’s too high for more infusions. Hands down this is the only time I thought things could get better but no doctors will prescribe.

I eat gluten free, clean AF
Lift ED

Appreciate all of the help. It’s just a big change and the itch plus hair everywhere it’s hard to ignore. I’m sure we are all dealing with the added bullshit of having to look at ourselves on Zoom all day. It’s f*****g with my head.
Also forgot that I use 6ml .50 mg 5% RU 2x daily. My estrogen was high last test I’m worried about topical Estrogen you didn’t get any sides?
 

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Thanks @DogoDiLaurentiis these are all good suggestions. I did start the beta but only a week so I can stop. There is regrowth at the hairline but it can no longer keep up with the shedding and they are much much thinner.

Minoxidil, or rather what minoxidil does causes the enlargement (widening) of the hair shaft. But if you are allergic to polyethylene glycol, it will f*** your hair up, if you use a PG containing formula and it makes your hair worse, don't say I didn't warn you.

when a new hair comes in, out of the scalp will it start thick and get thinner or can it start thin and grow thicker? My biggest concern is that up close it looks like hairs are thinning at the point of the root.

Minoxidil, also direct adenosine, but only if you're healthy, adenosine reduces immune response. Also, even though this sounds like a meme, but viviscal works as a nutritional hair supplement, but the thing that will cause your hair to enlarge is PGE2/adenosine and estrogen.

So in regard to the first two, minoxidil is your friend.

curious about the demodex. Can they test for that? I do recall they found some ‘yeast’ in the biopsy years ago.

It can be but if your dermatologist is suspicious of it they will just prescribe ivermectin to treat it, which is easier, but watch out, topical ivermectin is expensive AF.

I am on a strong antibiotic. I had been on minocycline for 2 years before the shedding started. I have no acne anywhere but in my beard, goatee area that gets swollen and inflamed occasionally. Right now they gave me 500mg Keflex.

Minocycline will do it, most antibiotics will cause hair loss, but even I've had it years and years ago when my hair was much thicker from minocycline, you've got to cycle off it and try to stay off it.

Acne and swelling around hair follicles of any kind immediately makes me suspicious of demodex, because minocycline and tetracycline I believe are anti inflammatory, so it may actually be that in part you're mitigating inflammation.

I can’t tell is the Propecia or Dutasteride are working because I get sides and then try to fight my way back with sh*t like HCG. I was always shedding but was at least regrowing but this is different. October I was still solid, freaking out about shed but still felt like there was hope. The hairs I’m losing now are almost all the same length 4-5 inches, whispy no bulbs.

I'm not a huge proponent of using anti androgens if you don't know 100% for certain that's the cause, those can actually make your hair loss worse if you don't need them.

I get extensive blood tests every month but no one knows what the f*** to do with them. I’m getting more and more desperate trying alternative doctors. My urologist says one thing, the hairs doctors don’t know a damn thing. Hell 2 years ago before I knew better a PCP put me on Androgel and told me it would help my hair. My testosterone is very high right now but it’s always been close to 900 and when the hairloss started it was at like 200. Under 900 I feel awful.

You're living proof that simply nuking testosterone isn't always the answer, and you're a fantastic candidate for estrogel. Meaning it's more reasonable to not nuke your test levels and still get the follicle receptor activity of estrogen where you need it.

I’m using:

Topical Dutasteride.5 PGE 6ml 2x week
.25 Propecia (brand) ED
Oral Minoxidil 5mg ED
*HCG 40 3x week stopped this in October and my shedding was insane and has not recovered, started again early February. I know this can f*** me but I can’t use the AA’s wo, Propecia destroyed my sperm count, the HCG helped to recover it. I was on topical Finasteride and HCG for a year and still lost but also regrew a lot.
Keflex 500 mg ED
Biotin, Zinc, and Vitamin D

Yeah I would most certainly get the f*** off of HCG, and lose the propecia and stick with a topical AA, you don't need to stack both, you're just undoing all your progress by using HCG because that could be triggering higher hormones overall.

Took me like a few seconds to find this.


HCG upregulates IGF-1 which is not a friend to your hair. You just have so many f*****g things going on that are contradicting each other.

I have pharma HGH, I tried this August-October and hair and beard got darker. I stopped and shed a ton. I’m afraid I can’t keep up with the insane $ for this. The doctor acted like it was a miracle for hair. It helped but didn’t stop the shedding.

Hair growth requires a certain amount of GH, but not a ton, and unless you have hypopituitarism then you definitely should not be taking it, high GH is not a friend to hair growth.

I had iron IV December 2019 and my hair got thick. My ferrying was 30 and went to 380, now it’s leveled off at 90 and they say it’s too high for more infusions. Hands down this is the only time I thought things could get better but no doctors will prescribe.

Get an iron IV when you can, but there are other things you can remove from your current regimen that will help, and I feel you on the iron deficiency, that is a make or break for hair.

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Lifting every day will increase certain hormones that will increase hair loss, that's just how it is, muscle gains can interfere with hair gains.

Appreciate all of the help. It’s just a big change and the itch plus hair everywhere it’s hard to ignore. I’m sure we are all dealing with the added bullshit of having to look at ourselves on Zoom all day. It’s f*****g with my head.

I can absolutely understand that, it would do me in too if I had to do that, so I feel you.

As far as the itch goes, there are certain things you can try, but I would most certainly recommend you using an antihistamine semi-regularly and see if it helps, if it does, you have a very good idea as to what is causing it.

If not, you need to explore a more topical route or perhaps check your blood for anything that is toxically high.

And of course viral anything could cause that, seriously, if you do a lot of social activities, and you've even so much as noticed a sore throat after going to a bar or a nightclub, then you may be fighting a low grade infection of covid, and that can cause inflammation.
 

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Also forgot that I use 6ml .50 mg 5% RU 2x daily. My estrogen was high last test I’m worried about topical Estrogen you didn’t get any sides?

No sides, but my estrogen was low, if you have high E2, don't use it topically.

Also have you had any cardiac symptoms since using RU? Like heavy feeling heartbeat or fatigue or dizziness?
 

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OP, what would be your advice to somebody who is mainly ectomorph, but some mesomorph, who has trouble gaining weight? I would really like to build some muscle and gain some weight. I am a joke. I am 6 foot and 128 pounds but have a descent frame. Should I just cram food or try to eat small constant meal through out the day?

I try to gain weight without lifting and can't, so I know if I started lifting I would need to eat even more to gain. So I feel sort of like it would not even be possible. I (guess) am tired of being a 6 foot 128 pound dude at 27 years old. Like I said, descent athletic looking frame so I don't look weirdly skinny, which at least helps.

You seem to be in really great shape, and I assume you know a lot about building muscle.

Also, I don't think it did, but just in case anything I said to you (feel free to go back and read them) came across as being mean in anyway, I did not mean for it to. As I said earlier, I know how much depression and your own mind can torment. My depression pre-dates ever thinking about hair by a number years, then the hair issue, and BDD only made it worse. I have seriously thought about ending it many times, even this week I have gave it thought. One reason I am trying to force (and I do mean force) myself to gain some muscle.Just hang in there, man.


Not OP but you need your thyroid hormones checked, you sound like a classic case of hyperthyroidism.

I was hyper until about the age of 26, and prior to that I could not crack 150 pounds to save my life, I lifted and ate like a f*****g maniac and I still remained skinny, just extremely cut, but I was constantly under threat of being underweight.

It wasn't until I developed hypothyroidism, which is an inevitability for most people who are hyperthyroid, and I got on exogenous thyroid hormone that my body was able to even come close to gaining weight from lifting after I got my thyroid hormone dosage where it should be.
 
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DogoDiLaurentiis

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Building muscle is entirely hormones, and I mean entirely.

If it weren't little old grandmas of 80 years old could just lift more and more and more weight until they were giant, ripped ultra grannies.

But because elderly people are hypohormonal they can't gain muscle, and that's the secret.

Your androgens, thyroid, growth hormone and insulin response all must be optimal to gain muscle with out it, you're spinning tires in the mud.

Some people are lucky enough to have their endocrine system pre-configured for optimal muscle growth, some people need exogenous hormones, that's just how it is. There's a lot of stigma attached to using hormones to change your physique, but that's where it's at.
 
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