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The ptd-dbm study showed better regrowth with VPA spraid post wounding and peptide application but the Follica one didn't. Would be great to have people experiment with or without.
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If you use latan or minoxidil it's forever. You stop using it and back to square one. I wonder if after pge2 or estrogen regrowth you still have to be hooked to it or can you go back to maintenance with AA only?
Anecdotally, many people I've talked to who've done the PG protocol maintain all their gains using dutasteride or other AA treatments. Which is what you would expect; why would hair die when there's no more damage being done? Something is weird about new hairs grown with minoxidil.
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That's the part l couldn't grok. Are your hair only able to survive with minoxidil if they were triggered by minoxidil? Weird stuff. Maybe one day,, it will all come together and make sense.
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Perhaps it functions as a temporary dilatant for critical constrictions, in/around the follicle.
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What do you think about calcipotriol?
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I wonder how long the treatment can last and still bring benefits. There must be an upper bound.
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Are you balding? If the answer is yes, then Fina & minoxidil are pretty much a given. Wounding is one more weapon in your arsenal, it can not be the only one.
minoxidil is out of the question for me, not risking screwing my face over, finasteride I'm still pondering over, idk where to get topical finasteride anyway, but since it goes systematic then I might as well go for oral finasteride if I'm willing to do topical finasteride
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It wouldn't
Oh heeeeere we go with the next minoxidil debate.
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Because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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To each their own. I am a little puzzled that someone would consider wounding alone without following a protocol if the study showed best results with minoxidil. Maybe adding onion juice and apple cider vinegar and taking saw palmetto and biotin for the most risk adverse folks?
they have no idea what they are talking about, there could be side effects to using minoxidil, such has making your face more hairy, aging your skin and also creating black circles around your eyes, minoxidil can deplete the collagen in your skin, it can also bloat your face by water retention.
those people above me who say minoxidil does nothing are the same people who say finasteride can't make any side effects
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You know what else ages you a lot? Hair loss.
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I never said finasteride didn't have any side effects. Every medication comes with potential side effects.
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