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If it was a glass container that shattered then no, but otherwise they should be fine.

Thank you about the reassurance.
I can’t imagine dropping them would affect anything. And storing them in any container is fine.

About oral minoxidil, did you notice any side effects on it? I’m afraid of starting it because of skin and heart related sides.

I’m actually looking for the most effective growth inducer of hair, since my problem as far as I can tell isn’t dht and just loss of hair from medication.

Yeah, I was just emotional over potential bacteria and people crossing my boundaries. At the beginning, I noticed my face would look more water retentive but I’m not sure if it was due to weight gain or too much salt or the medication. Thickening of body hair occurred, but lessened after 6 months or so.

Don’t worry about the side effects in my opinion. If you’re going to do it, do it ASAP. I regret not taking it earlier...
 

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Hemingway used to post here in the past. He has such a wonderful bedside manner in which he "counsels" others related to hair loss.

His thread which appears in hiatus, is what I mentioned yesterday although there are a handful. It's overly complicated for virtually everyone and it is based upon conjecture related to what might work. We know that HRT works and we don't have to whip up our own meds since most of them except bica are cheap. The experimental meds are expensive and haven't much history of human use nor have they been used in hair contexts.

Even though hair loss and prostate cancer are related, they are apparently regulated by different forms of reductase meaning that prostate meds might or might not work in a hair context. Beard and scalp skin appear able to synthesize DHT themselves even in the absence of circulating reductase. For whites, that's how strong the body clings to its sexually dimorphic signalling above the neck. I continued with serious dermatitis that only relented after substantial beard removal and it appears to be gone forever with no follicles to promote it and very little circulating androgens.

Again, with the exception of estrogen, which appears to vastly improve skin quality and is able to "heal" dormant follicles, nothing else grows hair. Rather these AA's on their own, seem to impact upon anagen cycles and mathematically, increasing the amount of anagen time for a follicle, presents as "regrowth" as the term is commonly known. Even dutasteride and finasteride "regrowth" is rarely cosmetically significant for people past say the age of 25 perhaps.

It is also not advised to use AA's ever without estrogen for any significant period of time as this might particularly wreak havoc on bone structure as well as upon strength. AA's are more feminizing than estrogen in most of the areas that are likely to concern cis-males anyway. Generally we all have a dominant hormone and mixed levels of T and E2 appear to be safe long-term but not having any dominant hormone or at least substantial serum levels of estradiol or testosterone, is deleterious to health. MtFs know this because it is frequently reiterated on MtF HRT sites. Estrogen and testosterone are almost identical in chemical structure and presumably can attach to the same receptors when such receptors are not sexually dimorphic in terms of effects. Women do have muscles and many are quite strong, especially the bigger ones and they can be strong without much circulating T although T obviously increases their strength and musculature but working out and weight lifting do as well.

By the way, the DIY HRT reddit site is now only MtF-oriented essentially. FtM anagens are highly dangerous when unmonitored and the reddit sites do not allow facilitation of scheduled meds which essentially all androgens are. To my knowledge, no female estrogens or blockers are scheduled which seems unfair but estrogen doesn't cause "roid rage" or promote baldness and skin afflictions or heart disease and cancer. Estrogen increases life spans; testosterone shortens them and is harmful to looks when used in excess. Estrogen and pregesterone use is employed in birth control, fertility meds and for menopausal reasons and it has a long history of safe use and restriction of use seems untenable. Presumably cis-females tend not to get "roid rage" from estrogen supplementation.

I give Hemingway and others much credit for doing valuable anecdotal research. He ended up down on bica, and virtually everyone who has posted about RU or topical spironolactone or topical reductase inhibitors walks away disappointed.

Here, again, we are using things that we know can work and which can promote female-types of scalp hair by regenerating follicles. We hope to provide feedback to each other about what dosages and/or combinations work for us anecdotally and by providing pictures not just once but over time so that improvement can be verified and monitored. I am still waiting for Hemingway's pics and I never saw any pics on that thread which is probably at 7 pages pretty long compared to many threads.

People who report hair growth without pics are still perhaps doing a service but we need the evidence that pictures provide. It is simply too easy to delude oneself about either improvement, regrowth or mild sheds. Nobody worried about minoxidil-dependent hair or hair sheds related to minoxidil or finasteride 20 years ago. We took them and didn't expect sheds and many of us never had sheds that were noticeable at all.

I get that many of us are too hurt to talk to others about baldness or take pics but it is absolutely essential in order to account for different lighting and hair styles which over time become less and less important in evaluating results. How does one know when he or she isn't bald(ing) anymore? Generally this is based upon the reactions of others. That's how I discovered that I was losing hair at age 20. Another way is noticing that the wind doesn't destroy one's hair anymore and that we don't look bald in a hand mirror, regardless of lighting. Pictures of what appear to be hair in between terminal and vellus stages are unhelpful because it is very difficult to determine whether they are "coming or going". The temples can further disappoint us because they might have actually moved apart from each other due to surface tension and over-development of the masseter chewing muscles which would explain why regrowth in the crown and improvement of diffuse thinning is more viable and more easily confirmed.

I currently think that hairline improvement especially in the corners might more so be due to relaxing surface tension and the corners moving slightly together and slightly downward in an imaginary oval-shaped band and a thickening and increase of anagen overall rather than being due to seeing new little hairs growing, although I do see those but the front is recovering quite differently than I would have expected and by extending downward the imaginary hair band, we can see that a lot of necessary regrowth is needed in the side burns area which I never considered a particular concern as I had more so diffuse thinning.

TL:DR:
Use estrogen and oral minoxidil first and then if an "AR" is needed, consider medroxyprogesterone, also known as MPA and provera as this med appears to have few side-effects. Do not increase, decrease or change AA's frequently when using one since changing things up appears to be associated with sheds.

Can I get more facial feminisation from 4mg of estrogen a day? I went up to 3mg, but im thinking of going to 4mg eventually.
 

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I started estrogel a few days ago. I’m not planning to take enough to significantly down-regulate my testosterone, but I hope that it will reduce it to within normal male ranges again since bicalutamide raises your testosterone. Even that’s doubtful at my dosage though. The primary reason I chose to apply estrogel topically to my scalp is because estrogen CAN have a more targeted local effects, some of it will certainly go systemic, but I’m hoping to form a gradient of sorts with the highest concentration at the site of application. Studies show that estrogen can pretty substantially downregulate AR expression as well as being a growth agonist itself. So I’m hoping it provides that trifecta of results for me, slightly less testosterone, less AR expression, and regrowth. Curing my Seborrheic dermatitis which has been unresponsive to anything else would be a nice cherry on top.

what does your hair look like?
 

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At least this statement means I can demean men by saying their only existence on this planet is to act expired whilst women are more important. They are lusted over. Even with myself, I do not even try and men fall for me.

Regardless, you didn’t have to spend that long typing an excuse to yourself and other men on this website having an incel mentality. Luckily, gay men don’t dress great for other men and instead do it for themselves.

No gay men are just as petty and ruthless and in their social enforcement of hierarchy as women... if not more hence why a lot of their sexual culture revolves around judging people by appearance (hence the concept of gay death). But whatevs, it's a feminine thing, regardless of your plumbing down there. I believe sexual orientation goes far beyond preference, it's a psychological archetype.
 
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For the life of me I can't figure out how I'm still losing hair. A zoladex injection, 10mg ev injection/5days, 75mg bica daily and 2mg of finasteride daily... Still losing hair.
 

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For the life of me I can't figure out how I'm still losing hair. A zoladex injection, 10mg ev injection/5days, 75mg bica daily and 2mg of finasteride daily... Still losing hair.

You’re progressing down the Norwood and/or Ludwig scale? Or you’re just shedding hair?
 

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You’re progressing down the Norwood and/or Ludwig scale? Or you’re just shedding hair?
It's hard to say, but I'm petty sure I'm returning to baseline. I'm also losing hair around the nape of my neck and at the sides. What I've learned from this is, if you have a regimen that you know is working, don't mess with it. I dropped bica, lowered my ev dose and dropped finasteride, I'm back on my original regimen that I know worked. Hopefully I'm just impatient and need to wait for things to start working.
 

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It's hard to say, but I'm petty sure I'm returning to baseline. I'm also losing hair around the nape of my neck and at the sides. What I've learned from this is, if you have a regimen that you know is working, don't mess with it. I dropped bica, lowered my ev dose and dropped finasteride, I'm back on my original regimen that I know worked. Hopefully I'm just impatient and need to wait for things to start working.

Yeah, I agree. If you’re on a regimen which is working, don’t touch it and just be persistent and patient. And, make sure your doses are minimum whilst maximising your hair growth. I’ve also learnt that you have to give everything at least six months for it to show some sort of result, and you just have to be patient during then.
 

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Yeah, I agree. If you’re on a regimen which is working, don’t touch it and just be persistent and patient. And, make sure your doses are minimum whilst maximising your hair growth. I’ve also learnt that you have to give everything at least six months for it to show some sort of result, and you just have to be patient during then.
It's so distressing losing ground after regrowth. for the first time in 3 years my hair was looking ok (ish). You're on quite a low dose, do you think you'll increase it?
 

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It's so distressing losing ground after regrowth. for the first time in 3 years my hair was looking ok (ish). You're on quite a low dose, do you think you'll increase it?

My E doses? I’m doing my E dosages based on my blood tests, and extending the levels of my E levels. E has a half-life of 8 hours or so, so I make sure my E dosages are on a steady 2mg within my body. I may increase to 4mg in the future, but I’ll wait and see if the feminisation I have is enough or not.
 

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My E doses? I’m doing my E dosages based on my blood tests, and extending the levels of my E levels. E has a half-life of 8 hours or so, so I make sure my E dosages are on a steady 2mg within my body. I may increase to 4mg in the future, but I’ll wait and see if the feminisation I have is enough or not.
I just wish I responded to those low doses of bica and estradiol, it would make things a lot cheaper and wouldn't be so hard on my liver.
 

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Makes no sense to me.

GnRh plus copious estrogen, plus a healthy dose of bica and finasteride, which should slow or stop hair loss by itself. You might want to get tested for DHT which is rarely needed otherwise for MtFs except in the area of baldness and regrowth. Off the top of my head, we don't really know if bica and finasteride are both needed. Both raise testosterone but usually not that much. We don't use GnRH in the States often due to cost. I have never used one. They are usually only covered by insurance for teens.

I don't know if you want to give your age and time on HRT and time you've been balding. Oral minoxidil shouldn't be necessary in the long-run but you might want to try either the tabs or drops down your throat. People seem really up on oral minoxidil and few say much but eh related to using it topically. Most of us lack the enzymes in the scalp to process topical minoxidil while oral minoxidil bypasses this concern.
From what I remember, when I tried finasteride on it's own I got some good regrowth but it gave me pretty bad depression and brain fog. After switching to dutasteride, my testosterone shot up and the balding progressed. I'm 20 and stated noticing balding at 16, but looking at pictures back then, it's likely I was balding for some time before that. It's been about 9 months hrt, but I've changed regimen quite a lot so it hasn't been fully effective for that time. Oral minoxidil gave me heart palpitations and made my skin look terrible at 5mg daily. The orchie appointment is tomorrow, and I'm still not sure if the surgeon will be willing to do it via informed consent.
 

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Goddess, before 16 must suck to find male pattern baldness. There must be an answer as to why you are losing still. I know that some post-castrates post about losing hair after and re-masculinizing which seems to make little sense. Rob at perfect hair health states that castrati usually grow copious amounts of hair if they supplement estrogen and you pretty much have to supplement either T or E2 afterwards to preserve bone density. It can't just be a temporal thing because you haven't been balding for that long. I do see people on the redditt sites complaining about the same non-growth issues which is puzzling. With oral minoxidil, heart and blood pressure issues must be closely monitored but some are taking 20 mg daily without issue. I guess everyone is different more than I would have thought.
My hope is that an orchie sorts things out once and for all, if it doesn't then I'll try enzalutamide (which I'd like to avoid). I suspect an orchie might be the cure as my testicles are no longer atrophied, and they were when my regimen was working. I also found that oral minoxidil and bica were just too much for my liver, so I might consider adding it again if I can get off bica. Being as I've had regrowth and feminisation before, I know that somewhere there's a regimen that will work.
 

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Breast growth has actually increased oddly, but the size of the fused breast material has decreased (kind of hard to explain). I think the medical sites that mention regrowth is unlikely are outdated.
 

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The only issue there might be for those who either seek breast development or those who do not as it appears that low levels of estrogen are better for breast development while higher levels might be better for FF and hair regrowth. But I did just see an article stating that 2 mg is sufficient for full feminization over time without going higher with respect to E2.

Yeah, my feminisation was slow but got there with 2MG. I had an extended awkward phase due to my dosage, but I do want to be safe rather than sorry, and I want to have a smooth transition between self-medicating and being prescribed drugs by the gender specialist.
 

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Why don’t people post more before and after with these extreme regimens? It might encourage others
 

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