Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Father_of_Shiseido]

I don't know. you are already taking 400mg right? so, you tell me, how are the sides?

Getting severe gyno and decreased libido. At the starting, it looked like my balls have shrunken but now it is about the normal size. Hair continues to thin out. My face has become more attractive to my friends. Excess fat on my cheeks as well as on my belly has vanished.

 

[Moosey]

I feel great without it

So are you saying you dont have any testosterone left in your body, and you still feel and look like a man?
Everytime i come off steroids and i get just in the mid-low ranges (400ng/dl) my libido takes a huge hit and my face gets alot less attractive

 

[Obsessive]

yes I think that is a good idea to use dutasteride once or twice a week with fina as that has been shown to inhibit more DHT than with fina alone.. I would still take the finasteride even on the dutasteride days just to be safe. I think the up-regulation thing is rare. As long as you don't take super doses of 2.5mg dutasteride like some people on here. that would be way more likely to cause an up regulation..


hmmm, I feel like maybe the issue is that your hair became minoxidil dependent. I personally believe that minoxidil does help and that it is required for maximum results however I view it as kinda like coffee. Coffee can give you a boost but it won't work if you are truly exhausted. I hear so many min stories about synchronized growth and shedding cycles, dependence, and initial results followed by a crash. minoxidil without proper androgen surpression is like stepping on the accelerater while the brakes are locked down. The car moves forward until the transmission fries.


yeah, try dutasteride once or twice a week. next step is switching to dutasteride everyday.. then next go to 50-100mg spironolactone, then increase by 50mg at a time. If it still doesn't work at 300mg (I wouldn't go higher than this) then cypro would be next, 25mg, then 50mg.. then finally increasing estradiol dosages, which is what is needed to get into castration range T levels, should be saved as final resort.

Paging Dr. @bridgeburn , I am following my customized regimen (above) but think I will add dutasteride and spironolactone at the same time. Reason is because the locks are disappearing at an alarming rate; even my curls cannot hide the situ Can you think of any reason not to start dutasteride and spironolactone at the same time? For my mental health, I need to see something positive happen soon. Doctor has prescribed both dutasteride and spironolactone and I can start any time, just wanted an expert opinion first. Thanks for all your support.

 

[Ikarus]

Lol supplements dont drain your liver, medications and drugs do. What kind of supplements are you taking? I take like 12 supplements per day + 10mg accutane per day and my blood test results are fine.

If you are concernced about your liver, its better to take 5mg per day than 20mg 3 times a week.




In my opinion minoxidil is absolutely sh*t. I dont recommend anyone using it

Supplements can contribute to having an effect on your liver, depending on the ingredients. Especially since some of the supplements I was taking were herbal, which is not allowed whilst you're on Accutane (I didn't know this, though) and can contribute to raising your liver enzyme levels. That combined with 40MG of Accutane daily can raise AST levels. Which also explains why they went even higher after I stopped Accutane.

I'm not exactly concerned about my liver too much, but I just want to take the lowest effective dose. I'm not sure why I went into 40MG; I think it was just an adrenaline rush because I didn't get any side effects from 20MG, or even 40MG. I was willing to go up to 80MG if I didn't have side effects from 40MG.

 

[Ikarus]

So are you saying you dont have any testosterone left in your body, and you still feel and look like a man?
Everytime i come off steroids and i get just in the mid-low ranges (400ng/dl) my libido takes a huge hit and my face gets alot less attractive

You can still feel and look like a man without testosterone in my opinion, because what is a man? I think the social definition of 'being a man' needs to be discarded, it just makes men insecure. I mean, testosterone can do more harm than good in certain individuals; it can cause acne, temple recession, overgrowth of body hair, rough skin, aggression.

A high libido is overrated, in my opinion. Most of the time, people have a high libido just to masturbate rather than get any action so I don't understand why people see libido as an issue...

 

[BOLLYnorWOOD]

Lol supplements dont drain your liver, medications and drugs do. What kind of supplements are you taking? I take like 12 supplements per day + 10mg accutane per day and my blood test results are fine.

If you are concernced about your liver, its better to take 5mg per day than 20mg 3 times a week.




In my opinion minoxidil is absolutely sh*t. I dont recommend anyone using it

oral minoxidil or Topical minxodil???

 

[BOLLYnorWOOD]

f*** DoCtors!!!! this is why I didn't bother with them and thier cowardice liability protecting asses.. they think testosterone is required for men cause thats Normal. we have to be fuciing babied when it should be our decison as individuals with this fucked up disease called male pattern bullshit.. Let us use everything strong to fight effectively Androgenetic Alopecia! I did not agree to the terms and conditions of andrgens andit is utter cruelty to force anyone to.. we have the right to run on whichever hormone we feel bestt ..

goddamit, I knew paying for a doctor visit just for them to give me political bullshit andsay no is a waste of time and I wanted to change my doses at will.. tell them you wil cut off your balls if they don't give you then maybr they will give you.. they need to know the true impact of baldness and treat it seriously not as a f*****g joke, playing it safe. . when Depression is considered a real medical condotion and f*****g hairloss isn't wheb hairloss extremely makes men depressed. f*** the godamn world god f***

your so Right. im so Angry and sad at the same time.....

 

[Ikarus]

your so Right. im so Angry and sad at the same time.....

It would be good if you had some sort of support to help you get the medication. I have my mom, and she will scold any doctor which denies me to a medication I want to be on.

 

[itchymadscalp]

You can still feel and look like a man without testosterone in my opinion, because what is a man? I think the social definition of 'being a man' needs to be discarded, it just makes men insecure. I mean, testosterone can do more harm than good in certain individuals; it can cause acne, temple recession, overgrowth of body hair, rough skin, aggression.

A high libido is overrated, in my opinion. Most of the time, people have a high libido just to masturbate rather than get any action so I don't understand why people see libido as an issue...

You can feel like a man even after being castrated because you had testosterone ... it's easier to feel like a man when you look like a man.
10 years ago I was castrated for almost 2 years, I still felt like I was a man because before that I had 10 years of testosterone flooding my body.
Being a man is not just a social definition, it's really something. And when you have no testosterone being a male has not the same meaning as being a male with high testosterone.
Hugh Jackman is a real man, has a viril body (yummy), not just because of a social construction.

I agree, high libido is overrated. But it still fun to fantasize about Hugh Jackman. And it can be really frustrating to have no sex drive at all. I had no libido for 10 years, it was a nightmare.

 

[itchymadscalp]

guys i Have some sad/bad news... i Actually had an appointment tomorrow for estrogen prescription. but Derm suddenly called me and he is not willing to prescribe me the E afterwards (after he discussed it with other specialists). and i cannot order It. because 2 months ago i ordered estrogen often from trustworthy pharmacies. but afterwards they got destroyed (i dunno why, they told me it is illegal or something).

the Derm only wants to prescribe 10 mg oral Min with cardiovascular check-ups. do you Guys think 10 mg oral min will Do great with spironolactone (a diuretic to counter unwanted side effects) and Dutas...?

You can try to buy it from chinese suppliers (alibaba) or try buyonlineventoline (turkey). You can search on ebay, sometimes you can find prescription drugs like antibiotics, estradiol, ...

 

[itchymadscalp]

But cant it also give you ED and a dead libido? And are you homosexual or do you just don't care?

A lot of gays, like normal people, do care about their sex drive ...
But obviously here there are some gays willing to give up on their sexuality just for hair. Maybe it's easier to renounce to our virility when we are gay (but I think "gay love" is a lot more viril than "straight love" ... because women are fragile, and you have to make sure to not hurt her when you do your stuff with her ... lol ... but when you do it with a man, you can be rough, because men are stronger ............ hm hm hm - straight love/sex is for faggots ... real men make love together, to be more clear lol).

 

[LEXUS]

Why do you all use estrofem? Why not use Estradiol valerate? Estradiol valerate is also a natural estrogen. Why is nobody using it? Who can tell me? My English is not good, I come from China. ____________

no, not all. I accept precisely estradiol valerat proginova. For me, he is stronger than estrofem. true estrofem contains estradiol hemihydrate. but in Thailandpharmacy they sell not the original estrofem, there is written in the composition of estradiol valerate. true estrofem must not contain valerate. there is a fake but they don’t even hide it. hemihydrate is also good but valerate is stronger.

 

[Moosey]

You can still feel and look like a man without testosterone in my opinion, because what is a man? I think the social definition of 'being a man' needs to be discarded, it just makes men insecure. I mean, testosterone can do more harm than good in certain individuals; it can cause acne, temple recession, overgrowth of body hair, rough skin, aggression.

A high libido is overrated, in my opinion. Most of the time, people have a high libido just to masturbate rather than get any action so I don't understand why people see libido as an issue...

Im not talking about the social definition of a man. Testosterone is literally what makes your face and body look masculine. Im surprised nothing changed about your face or body. Or maybe it did but you think it looks better.

High libido is overrated 98% of the time. But in those rare, short ocassions where you really want your dick to work, and it doesnt, it makes me wanna eat a bullet.
Also if you have a girlfriend, low or no libido is no-go.

Hairloss sucks balls. But personally, i wouldnt trade in my muscular physique and my libido for a full head of hair. I dont think you have to go to such extremes to get your hair back.
Obviously its a different story if you are happy with having no testosterone or libido at all. At that point its a win/win situation

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

Im not talking about the social definition of a man. Testosterone is literally what makes your face and body look masculine. Im surprised nothing changed about your face or body. Or maybe it did but you think it looks better.

High libido is overrated 98% of the time. But in those rare, short ocassions where you really want your dick to work, and it doesnt, it makes me wanna eat a bullet.
Also if you have a girlfriend, low or no libido is no-go.

Hairloss sucks balls. But personally, i wouldnt trade in my muscular physique and my libido for a full head of hair. I dont think you have to go to such extremes to get your hair back.
Obviously its a different story if you are happy with having no testosterone or libido at all. At that point its a win/win situation

I very much endorse your point of view but balding at a very young age can be very traumatic for some people and I am one of them. We take this decision in desperateness. However, the chances that we will regret it at some point in time is very high. I think no one likes no libido.

 

[Moosey]

I know man. I have a completely fucked headshape so going bald is not an option for me. Its just that i dont think you need to kill all the hormones in your body to get your hair back. There are so many things you can do for your hair. I would rather experiment with those for a long time than go full in and just crash all the hormones

 

[Ikarus]

Im not talking about the social definition of a man. Testosterone is literally what makes your face and body look masculine. Im surprised nothing changed about your face or body. Or maybe it did but you think it looks better.

High libido is overrated 98% of the time. But in those rare, short ocassions where you really want your dick to work, and it doesnt, it makes me wanna eat a bullet.
Also if you have a girlfriend, low or no libido is no-go.

Hairloss sucks balls. But personally, i wouldnt trade in my muscular physique and my libido for a full head of hair. I dont think you have to go to such extremes to get your hair back.
Obviously its a different story if you are happy with having no testosterone or libido at all. At that point its a win/win situation

It's a situational decision. Personally, I would enjoy the feminising effects when it comes to my face, and I believe testosterone is what's keeping me from looking my best. I haven't started taking the medication yet, by the way. I would literally look like a disgustingly ugly cockroach if I was bald.

If you're in a relationship, it could be an issue. Thank god I'm not, and have no desire in being in one, LOL!

Hair loss does suck, but can be resolved, it just depends on if you're willing to take risks or not. I am, because my appearance means more than the world to me and I live in a family where your looks are highly important; some of the males in my family turn quite ugly in their mid 20s and I don't want to follow that route.

 

[Ikarus]

I know man. I have a completely fucked headshape so going bald is not an option for me. Its just that i dont think you need to kill all the hormones in your body to get your hair back. There are so many things you can do for your hair. I would rather experiment with those for a long time than go full in and just crash all the hormones

Yes, if it's not for you then there's no point risking it. You have to just weigh out the benefits / negatives, and make a decision from there.

 

[Obsessive]

I know man. I have a completely fucked headshape so going bald is not an option for me. Its just that i dont think you need to kill all the hormones in your body to get your hair back. There are so many things you can do for your hair. I would rather experiment with those for a long time than go full in and just crash all the hormones

I don't disagree at all. Unfortunately 9 months of experimenting and being sensible hasn't changed things for the better. What's your approach at the moment?

 

[Marky]

guys i Have some sad/bad news... i Actually had an appointment tomorrow for estrogen prescription. but Derm suddenly called me and he is not willing to prescribe me the E afterwards (after he discussed it with other specialists). and i cannot order It. because 2 months ago i ordered estrogen often from trustworthy pharmacies. but afterwards they got destroyed (i dunno why, they told me it is illegal or something).

the Derm only wants to prescribe 10 mg oral Min with cardiovascular check-ups. do you Guys think 10 mg oral min will Do great with spironolactone (a diuretic to counter unwanted side effects) and Dutas...?

Even if you consent to the side effects it may have?

 

[BOLLYnorWOOD]

Even if you consent to the side effects it may have?

then i will Lower the dose sir.