Thom said:Are you going to address the subject of the post?
Thom said:It's pretty damning evidence I think. I've stayed away from these debates the entire time I've been a member of these boards but that's the nail in the coffin for me.
Thom said:Are you going to address the subject of the post?
It's pretty damning evidence I think. I've stayed away from these debates the entire time I've been a member of these boards but that's the nail in the coffin for me.
Bryan said:Thom said:Are you going to address the subject of the post?
Are you speaking to me?
Thom said:It's pretty damning evidence I think. I've stayed away from these debates the entire time I've been a member of these boards but that's the nail in the coffin for me.
What are you talking about?
Thom said:Bryan said:What are you talking about?
Yes, at least address this 3-year study that doesn't appear to have even taken place.
Thom said:If this guy has made so much progress since the year I was born (86), why hasn't he achieved more widespread success?
blaze said:I have always respected Bryan as a poster, as he is very knowledgeable. But Jacob has brought his integrity into question in a major way that hard to refute.
I agree with Jacab. Bryans has repeatedly over the years DEMANDED evidence for everything. One product Bryan rips all the time is Fluridil. He said surely there should have been some independent testing done on this substance by now and until it does I wont believe it works or even is an anitandrogen.
But why is Prox-N and Proxiphen not put up to this scrutiny? There have been no indepenent studies. Not even any by proctor.
I think Bryan is a shill for proctors products too. The evidence is just overwhelming. Ive had my issues with Jacob here and there, but he seems like a decent guy. Good detective work.
I think Bryan should be banned from pushing proctors products. If the product really is that good it will speak for itself.
Jacob said:Nope..make it 1986.
Page 342: http://books.google.com/books?id=5isEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA342&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false
6 months..amazing :shock:
beaner said:
Jacob said:Usually when something is pushed this OBVIOUSly...the person is banned, not just prevented from pushing it. Not only that..but the products names are then censored from the forums. In this case it's been going on for over 15 years.
Something odd..not right..is going on here. It's not just the hair loss forums. You have Will Brink pushing the crap, from the beginning, it seems. Doesn't have much to say when you ask him to explain why. Even tries to hide behind the prescription Prox...which doesn't work because he then can't explain why for that one, either. Then you find posts at alt.baldspot with him going after those that question Proctor and/or the products.
Then there's LEF- Life Extension Foundation. They've been selling the crap for years and years. You ask them why?- they mention Proctor's expertise and his patents. You point out other Dr's, even TRICHOLOGISTS, with products..also with patents..and they don't have much to say. I would even say they're playing dumb, given some of the responses and non-responses to questions or things I pointed out...which included a nice list of products that they could look into, as well as what they had to say about Proctor running around saying there are ingredients in the products that aren't on the label. They were also unaware of Proctor's/Bryan's claim that what they, LEF, sells is a Lite/watered-down version. They got confirmation from Proctor(what's he going to say-no, I never said that! ?) but that's about all they said- they went back to playing dumb when questions were asked about it.
They must make a killing for each bottle sold, otherwise why else not just sell Tricomin? This is LEF...the group that is constantly researching and updating their products based on that research. And yet they stick with a bunch of crap that has been around for decades, when it comes to hair loss. Maybe someone else will have better luck getting explanations from them: http://www.lef.org/Health-Wellness/LEFSurvey/ContactUs.aspx
BTW..another example of the snake-oil'n is- on many of the sites selling the crap, and even at places such as Hairsite....they say "Proxiphen is a prescription formula topical cream that has not yet received FDA approval" or "Proxiphen - prescription formula, not yet FDA approved." Making it sound like it's going for FDA approval. You should be IMPRESSED :shakehead:
Jacob said:2020..seriously...why did you bother coming in this thread to try to say I was "Bryan"....tell me I'm jumping in threads- which you do yourself..etc?
My last comment to you in this thread- this isn't about proving Bryan wrong. Although that's easy to do.
:jackit:2020 said:Jacob said:2020..seriously...why did you bother coming in this thread to try to say I was "Bryan"....tell me I'm jumping in threads- which you do yourself..etc?
My last comment to you in this thread- this isn't about proving Bryan wrong. Although that's easy to do.
YOU ALWAYS ARGUE WITH HIM. WHY!!?!? WHATS THE POINT???