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Dr. Proctor- Snake-oil'n since (at least) 1987..

Discussion in 'Men's General Hair Loss Discussions' started by Jacob, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Jacob

    Jacob Senior Member

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    So where's that 3 year clinical study? Or was he just making things up(lying) from the beginning?
     
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    This is either gonna kick off or Bryan is going to ignore you!

    Im starting to wonder if he is actually shilling for Proctor or he is just doing this to get on your nerves!

    Them 6 months before and after shots are hilarious!
     
  5. Jacob

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    He's been getting on a lot of nerves for over 15+ years. Anyone can go back and read various ppl calling him(as well as Proctor) on this. The big question still remains...why did he..and does he still...get away with it? When he says here in this forum that he can say anything he wants..while at the same time asking others if they own this place or something, when calling him on these things....and then no one here can answer why he gets away with it.... :shock:

    HLH is the same way- try asking Farrel about these things..it's hilarous :shakehead:

    Again...So where's that 3 year clinical study? Or was he just making things up(lying) from the beginning?
     
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    Can't argue with that.
     
  7. Jacob

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    Looks to be from a chat room: http://www.hairlosssucks.com/1232000c.htm A few of the more interesting ones...

    My questions above...still remain......

    BTW...did you see that last quote? :wave: ..and I just about used the other wave guy.....
     
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    I wonder if ppl like Will Brink were just duped into believing and then pushing the Prox crap or if it's worse than that. He didn't have much to say after I pointed these ads out to him and the lack of evidence overall on even the "prescription" product, which he was trying to hide behind.

    I've been posting his video on whey and hair loss...and I think he's the one behind that pro-dht(for your body) article I've posted numerous times over the years..but he has no credibility on this one- otherwise he would have backed up the claims(that even he is making) etc. Which is impossible to do- even Proctor and Bryan have been unable to do that. But then he needs to stop hyping the crap as well(which he might have already done). Updating his articles to reflect reality on this issue would make him look a bit..not so... :freak:
     
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    My questions above...still remain......

    BTW...did you see that last quote? :wave: ..and I just about used the other wave guy.....[/quote:3suhn7a2]




    CSI Jacob - now you really got him :bravo:
     
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    I don't post very often but have lurked on and off for a few years...

    I have to congratulate Jacob on a sterling job on this thread, the Bryan / Proctor saga is something that has been irritating me for a long time...

    Well done on putting the effort in to finally show these numpty's up for what they really are...

    Good things

    :bravo:
     
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    At the end of the day proxiphen may have other prescription drugs as part of it mechanism, but the main ingredient that promotes growth is minoxidil We all know the minoxidil is capable of this so why pay over the odds for snake oil proxiphen when generic products like Kirkland etc are available?
     
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    Thanks guys..but looking back and even remembering some of this..others have pointed out a lot of what I've been saying. The ads and chat transcripts may be a first, but here's HT55 as an example(wonder what happened to him):

    http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=51738&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10

    Some others with quotes...

    Love this one from Bryan:

    http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=51908&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10

    That is from May of 2009. So he had been using the products(irreguarly (sic)) since those lame before/after pictures, and was interested in getting "back in the saddle again". Whichever story he's going to stick with- he stopped way back then or he did use the products "irreguarly"...he's got an excuse for not having to provide updated before/afters. And nice...strange..last post in that thread :shock:

    And then some time later..this:
    Bryan:
    http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=62203&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20

    Besides proving he was indeed still using Proctor's crap(wasn't there some $ excuse? I thought he was even getting his shampoo at a shelter or something)...I guess things didn't go so well. Oh..but wait..

    Oh gosh darn it. Proctor must have lost the camera in-between...whatever was going on.

    Bryan
    http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=51288&p=585434&hilit

    And that folks..is why there's so much proof that Prox works so well. All those pictures! I guess those customers walk in...walk out..and never return. Or more likely- never get the results as hyped up by Proctor and Bryan. Such honesty..and integrity...
    And once again..some interesting posts in that thread by someone I won't name :whistle:

    Way too many others to mention..including other posters in this forum and others.
     
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    Even better proof is no one's showing up to contest this!
     
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    Gonna post the usual things I've(and others have) posted before...bit by bit...that would and have gotten other ppl/docs/companies laughed out of these forums..called snake-oil..and even censored and banned.

    Dr. Proctor:
    Not a shred of evidence for that.
     
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    What's this Bryan no defence?

    Well i would of thought you of all people would have proved this wrong !

    Guess not !
     
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    "Mysterious ingredients"

    Not only are some of the known ingredients(supposedly in the product(s) ) not on the labels, but starting years(probably 10+) ago at alt.baldspot both Dr. Proctor and Bryan have been going around these forums talking about ingredients that Dr. Proctor has never disclosed but are supposed to make the product(s) even better. Typical snake oil talk to get ppl thinking there's more to the product than there really is. Actually it's not "typical" snake oil talk. Maybe someone can cite some examples, but I can't recall anyone else not disclosing all the actives, and hyping such non-existent "mysterious ingredients" in forums or even on their websites.

    Bryan:
    03/06/2011 02:12 PM
     
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    Seems Will Brink was more than just hiding behind the prescription product when he first started pushing the stuff. Look how he goes after posters who even back then questioned Dr. Proctor. Just one example(scroll down a bit):

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt....cf2e2?lnk=gst&q=Proctor lite#9a5c67485e2cf2e2
     
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    Is it even legal to have "secret" ingredients in a prescription drug/product? I thought it was required by law to fully disclose ingredients in any product. Can someone enlighten me on this?
     
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    I do know they're trying to change things so that everything, even "fragrance"(in other words- what ingredient(s) make up that fragrance), is disclosed. Right now..active ingredients, in a product like this..I don't know.

    That shouldn't even matter. Talking about other active ingredients that are in the product that aren't listed/disclosed..in a way as to make the product sound more impressive..is snake-oil talk. Unless they're things he couldn't get away with if disclosed...there are no other mysterious active ingredients. Either way...you want to slap that on your head? :shock:
     
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    I think Dr. Proctor is profoundly aware of what's legal and NOT legal in prescription medications. Furthermore, the FDA has already looked at Proxiphen in the past, and they had no problem with it at all.
     

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