Diet, lifestyle, the mind, and hair loss

Hoppi

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let-it-grow said:
dpdr said:
This topic is making me nervous, do not know who to believe :sobbing:

Bryan knows what he's talking about while misterE and Hoppi make up their own crazy theories without any scientifically background. If you want to keep losing hair then do what Hoppi and misterE say for the next year and then'll you will be even balder, if you want your hair to get better then you should do what was PROVEN by science.

misterE is spamming this forum with all the theories that he's making up and now Hoppi joined him. Honestly I don't understand how misterE is not banned already, with all his incorrect advices people lose more hair thanks to him...

This is such, such dismissive nonsense.

How can you STILL think my views on this are so dramatically different to your own? You are the only one who still isn't actually listening to me :(

I do like and appreciate the views of misterE (and of everyone, I love listening to what people have to say and hearing their view on things) but my views only overlap with his, just like they overlap in places with yours, Bryan's, dpdr's and most people's here :)

I can't speak for the views of misterE as I know they are more "alternative" than my own. But I do like him and I do listen to what he says - IMO some can be absolute gold :)

Peace! ^_^
 

let-it-grow

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Our views are completely different. I base my views on the medical science while you base yours on a theory of a known spammer called misterE. It's too bad that you spend your money on all that natural stuff that will never work instead of doing one of the things that were proven to work. Believe me, people here tried natural cures for YEARS before they started a real treatment and they are all sorry that they haven't started earlier when they still had a decent head of hair.

If you would keep using those natural treatments and you'll notice that you're not getting balder then it's not because those natural treatments stopped your male pattern baldness - it's because you didn't have male pattern baldness at the first place.
 

Hoppi

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let-it-grow said:
Our views are completely different. I base my views on the medical science while you base yours on a theory of a known spammer called misterE. It's too bad that you spend your money on all that natural stuff that will never work instead of doing one of the things that were proven to work. Believe me, people here tried natural cures for YEARS before they started a real treatment and they are all sorry that they haven't started earlier when they still had a decent head of hair.

If you would keep using those natural treatments and you'll notice that you're not getting balder then it's not because those natural treatments stopped your male pattern baldness - it's because you didn't have male pattern baldness at the first place.

Yeah just because the FIRST two entries in my regimen are Finasteride and Ketaconazole. But let's not pay attention to that right?

I'm not entirely sure why you think I base my theories on those of misterE, I do however take his views very much on board :)

1) I think he's right about the positive effects of beta-sitosterol, Ketaconazole (Nizoral) and flax seeds.

2) I think he's right about exercise and a good diet balancing out your hormones, as logic dictates lowering your levels of free testosterone and lifting your levels of SHBG can hardly be a bad thing (if you don't understand what I'm talking about then LOOK THIS STUFF UP please don't just throw it back at me :( )

3) I think he's right about fat and stuff raising your sebum, which is also bad for follicles.

4) I think he's right about things turning genes on and off. I do think the male pattern baldness gene can be turned off, but I dunno how. No-one does I don't think.


But yeah that's all I'm saying man, if you still insist on saying bad stuff about me then I give up :( and like I say the first 2 things I'm bunging in my regimen are finasteride and Ket. I can't be THAT alternative can I?
 

moxsom

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Speaking of good diets in general has anybody much knowledge on Calorie Restriction (CR) increasing life spans in most all taxa by a significant amount? I think this new(ish) research program is very interesting.
 

OverMachoGrande

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moxsom said:
Speaking of good diets in general has anybody much knowledge on Calorie Restriction (CR) increasing life spans in most all taxa by a significant amount? I think this new(ish) research program is very interesting.

Yes. The whole concept of calorie restriction is to lower IGF-1 levels, which is shown to extend the lifespan and slow the aging process in many types of animals.

But. There was a study that got groups of humans together. One group of humans got a standard American diet, another group got the same food type just a much much smaller portion...then they looked at their IGF-1 levels...and guess what? They were the same!

Then the looked at a group of vegans; their IGF-1 levels were much much lower than the people eating the calorie-restricted-standard-American-diet. The scientist came to the conclusion that calorie restriction is not a factor in IGF-1 levels. They found out that it was the overall protein restriction that really makes a difference to IGF-1 levels.



Long-term effects of calorie or protein restriction on serum IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 concentration in humans.

Luigi Fontana 1,2,3 , Edward P. Weiss 1,2,4 , Dennis T. Villareal 1,2 , Samuel Klein 1,2 and John O. Holloszy 1,2
1 Division of Geriatrics & Nutritional Sciences and 2 Center for Human Nutrition, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO 63110, USA
3 Division of Food Science, Human Nutrition and Health, Istituto Superiore di Sanitá, via Regina Elena 299, 00161, Rome, Italy
4 Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, Saint Louis University, St. Louis, MO 63104, USA
Correspondence
Luigi Fontana, Washington University School of Medicine, Campus Box 8113, 4566 Scott Avenue, St. Louis, MO 63110, USA. Tel.: +314 747 1485; fax: +314 362 7657; e-mail: lfontana@dom.wustl.edu
Copyright Journal compilation © 2008 Blackwell Publishing Ltd/The Anatomical Society of Great Britain and Ireland
KEYWORDS
aging • calorie restriction • IGF-1 • metabolism • protein restriction

ABSTRACT
Reduced function mutations in the insulin/IGF-I signaling pathway increase maximal lifespan and health span in many species. Calorie restriction (CR) decreases serum IGF-1 concentration by ~40%, protects against cancer and slows aging in rodents. However, the long-term effects of CR with adequate nutrition on circulating IGF-1 levels in humans are unknown. Here we report data from two long-term CR studies (1 and 6 years) showing that severe CR without malnutrition did not change IGF-1 and IGF-1 : IGFBP-3 ratio levels in humans. In contrast, total and free IGF-1 concentrations were significantly lower in moderately protein-restricted individuals. Reducing protein intake from an average of 1.67 g kg?1 of body weight per day to 0.95 g kg?1 of body weight per day for 3 weeks in six volunteers practicing CR resulted in a reduction in serum IGF-1 from 194 ng mL?1 to 152 ng mL?1. These findings demonstrate that, unlike in rodents, long-term severe CR does not reduce serum IGF-1 concentration and IGF-1 : IGFBP-3 ratio in humans. In addition, our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key determinant of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging dietary interventions.
 

s.a.f

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I think Bryan and MisterE need their own section.
 

Hoppi

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Does anyone else here majorly try to avoid what I am now calling "insulin spikes"? I like REALLY want a donut. But I know that:

Sugar/carbs -> High Insulin -> Low SHBG -> High free testosterone -> More DHT -> Lose more hair O.O

So!! I am not touching those donuts!! Lots of fibre, lots of good food, few carbs, very little sugar!

Fat is bad too as it clogs the pores and makes life hard for the follicles I think (blood impurities) but I can't imagine it being as bad... does anyone know what fat does to insulin levels? Does it increase them too yeah? ._.


When I get my flaxseeds and finasteride though my free T, E and my 5ar levels should go much lower though so I'm sure my hair will thank me for that one! lol
 
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