Sanchez1234
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I have ordered DMSO. When it arrives i will begin with 1x per day with 0.5%daro.
Interested in a Darolutamide buy if you hear anything about one.
I appreciate what you're doing there it looks very promising.
Have you thought of liposomal carrier/vehicle ? Or doing a Darolutamide GB for people interested here ? It could be great.
I read somewhere that this could potentially change your balding pattern for the better so if you stop using it you might not lose any hair, sounds like the cure to me.One more comment I can make on daro at the present time for interest is that I appear to be observing my first side effect which I consider to be a neutral to positive one.
I have been observing this over the past few weeks and monitoring in various climates and it appears to be consistent. My face and scalp are very clearly much dryer and less oily on daro. Dramatically so.
I am of course not applying daro directly to my face. So this implies a facial effect by one of two mechanisms. Either the 10 mg I am applying topically is exerting its effects systemically through the circulation, or it is tracking its way down to my face more locally through the subcutaneous tissues by gravity, contact transfer (eg. From pillow), diffusion, or local circulation. I'm not sure which mechanism is more likely.
When I had my forehead expander implanted, a week later I got a very clear temporary black eye on one side which I was warned about by my surgeon. He said the congealed blood can similarly track down through the face by gravity over time during the recovery period.
Androgens are known to make skin oilier in general. Antiandrogens have the opposite effect. I have commented before on how the daro has made my scalp bone dry even when I apply a lot of topicals that should make it greasy, or even when I sleep in a room that is much too hot.
It is clear the daro is strongly shutting down my sebaceous glands to my scalp with local application. The question is whether it is doing it to my face as well by local tissue tracking, contact transfer, and local circulation (which is fine), or through systemic circulatory androgen blockade.
I'm gonna monitor longer term to see if I can figure it out. I noticed when I was on spironolactone/cypro I had almost no body odor due to the systemic androgen blockade. I will have to try to pay attention if the same is happening here as well. I don't think it is. If I was more sexually active or cared more about my sexual function that might be a good marker as well of what is happening but I am possibly the worst person for judging that. I can at least say my mood and energy are much better on daro than cypro or spironolactone.
Additionally when I took cypro and spironolactone at full tranny doses systemically they did not cause this clear of a drying effect to my scalp or hair. So I think it's almost certainly happening by just spreading naturally under the skin and hitting my face as it tracks and locally circulates or being transferred from my pillow rubbing on my hair then face.
This "side effect" has meant I have required more facial moisturizer but it also has reduced (stopped) my mild intermittent acne and may possibly reduce facial aging over time. So I don't consider this a negative effect at all. I also love that my scalp is so dry as my hair now never looks greasy.
Probably if anything this suggests that applying 0.5% daro 2 ml twice a day is as insane overkill as the math initially suggested. That is fine with me as I want overkill. But this stuff is clearly very very strong. Everything I've read theoretically and my own personal experience so far suggests there's really never been anything like this before.
I will not be involved in any group buys for the reasons i listed in my "final thoughts" post a bit earlier. This is an experimental unregulated compound with unknown long term safety and it may theoretically be dangerous in my opinion if used irresponsibly by someone living with pregnant women or children. I explained why i went down this path myself. I am comfortable with the risks and i feel i am being responsible about not subjecting anyone else to this chemical by being careful with it. But i don't want to be responsible for anyone else and as I've said I'm not trying to encourage anyone to follow my footsteps. I'm just posting my experiences and things I've learned along the way primarily for academic interest. I hope one day someone does some good research on all this and validates what I'm experiencing on it.
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@IdealForehead
Due to my hairstyle i can only do topicals once a day. What are your thoughts on only applying 0.5% at night?
Hopefully Darolutamide becomes cheap very quickly from yours and some others success on it.Further Notes About Skin Dryness
One more note. I researched the skin dryness I am experiencing and it definitely appears to be plausible and expected outcome of overly aggressive local androgen blockade.
I found a study of flutamide vs. finasteride 5 mg for PCOS in women. Flutamide is like daro an androgen receptor antagonist but much weaker. This study stated: "Dry skin appeared significantly more with flutamide (67.3%) than with finasteride (23.6%)."
Another study states: "skin dryness probably related to the flutamide action mechanism inhibiting the sebum production".
So I think this is a clear indication the daro is in fact completely neutering my scalp so much that sebum production has stopped dead! The skin is starting to flake a bit from the dryness even which is no big deal but kind of impressive when you take into account what it means. I will try to manage this with more conditioner when I shower, and if that doesn't do it, I may cut back on the dose as it's probably very much insanely overkill.
The analysis I posted one post above probably suggests that the reason we have seen failures on RU58841 has more to do with it's inadequate topical half life, and less to do with a lack of potency. 0.1% daro should beat RU58841 in potency of inhibition, but roughly be in the same "strength range". However, unlike RU, 0.1% daro should provide very long lasting effects.
I doubt higher than 0.1% daro is going to be necessary, even once daily.
As a tangential note, this daro effect has given me the idea to try an application of maybe 0.25 mL 0.1% daro once daily to each underarm after showering to see if it shuts down my underarm body odor. Could be nice. Who needs body odor? I will start that - which will be daro experiment #2 - tonight.
It has trouble crossing the into the blood brain barrier, so no shouldnt, you might have local side effects like your face, hair, and scalp.@IdealForehead Could this as a topical anti-androgen have effect on muscle growth/mass and strength as it is so strong ?
@IdealForehead Could this as a topical anti-androgen have effect on muscle growth/mass and strength as it is so strong ?
In the way things are man, we whether kill that moist with an atomic bomb or we do close to nothing and watch him thrive, about how much does it cost you daily (not including the other relatively cheap chemicals)Absolutely, in my opinion, that's very possible! It would depend on how much you are applying and how much is absorbing systemically vs. being degraded in the skin, which is again all speculative. But definitely if sufficient quantity absorbs in the blood it can block the androgen receptors of your muscles and inhibit test/DHT from encouraging muscle growth.
Daro is something that would have to be titrated very carefully to the lowest effective dose long term. It might be 0.1% once daily. It might be 0.05% once daily. It might even be 0.01%! Who knows?
Keep in mind the oral castration dose is 600 mg twice daily, and I am applying 10 mg twice daily which despite being 1.6% of the oral castration dose, is apparently completely castrating my scalp to the point of the sebum production shutting down. The hope is most hits the scalp and not the rest of the body too much, but there is no guarantee of that. My face as noted is drying as well, and I am not applying directly to that at all.
@Jonnyyy the fact that it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier more means that it therefore won't block androgens from binding in the brain. This means people using it orally haven't shown alterations in their test/DHT/estrogen levels (since these levels are regulated by the brain). And people on daro probably won't as often get mood/cognitive side effects like "brain fog" or depression. Gyno rates were almost nonexistent in the studies done for this reason as well. I'm guessing there will fewer sexual side effects on daro too, even orally, as I think "sex" comes mostly from the brain, but that's just my theory.
Personally, I'm not too worried about any of that. My muscles have never been impressive and my mood/energy feels great on daro (vs. cypro/spironolactone). Funny enough, my biggest worry is now surprisingly becoming this drying effect, although it's only slightly a worry right now. I don't worry about a dry scalp. But I already suffer a bit from dry eyes. I've just read that androgen deprivation can worsen dry eyes (ref). I'm probably getting ahead of myself but I'm betting I'm gonna need to either drop my daro dose or figure out a topical solution to keep my eyes from drying out like my face/scalp already has. Probably just dropping the daro dose will do. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. My hair is still growing back and I'm tolerating it, so the scorched earth policy continues for now ...
Androgen deprivation can have all sorts of funny effects on the body and it can be different for different people. Absolutely with something this strong the goal is the absolute lowest effective dose.
I am definitely feeling like using darolutamide to solve hair loss is kind of like using an atomic bomb to kill a mouse. Not that that's a bad thing inherently. It will definitely kill the mouse. It just means if you want to limit collateral damage, care is needed, and unfortunately at the present there are no clear dosing guidelines or studies to help direct things.