Are hair pieces & hair systems REALLY that bad?

JimmyJones

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I'm at around a Norwood III-IV and am 25. I really wouldn't mind being bald at 40-50, but not in my 20's :(

So with that being said, I want to take the plunge. There aren't really any 'established' places besides Farrell and Hair Club for Men --- which I heard were nightmares. Now I have a few questions and would appreciate COMPLETE honesty:

1) First and foremost, does it suck? In other words, are you CONSTANTLY thinking about it? I knew the glue/tape is supposedly very secure, but surely you've thought of it falling off, has it ever happened to you? Is it really a huge hassle?

2) What do you do, if you're like me, and you're super-active and sweat a lot. I mean if I go for a workout at the gym, does it "ruin" the piece of I sweat a lot? Can't I just shower and not have to remove, change, alter it?

3) How do you deal with your friends/roommates/SO's? Do they know, do some know, do any know? If I live with three roommates, is it inevitable they know?

4) This might be the hardest question to answer or the easier one and that is...is it worth it? Is there any advantage of a piece (besides cost) over a surgury?

5) What would you recommend a beginner do or start?

***Last question only applies to the younger guys***

6) How did you guys in your 20s (30s even) deal with it?


Thanks again guys, I really appreciate your help with and am GLAD I found people who can relate to this.

1. A proper bonded hair system will not fall off. Different people think about it more than others.
2. A hair system will not be ruined by sweat, you can exercise as much as you like. Lace systems are better for this as the skin systems have no holes. Your bond time may decrease if you do lots of exercise.
3. It depends. You can choose who you tell. When you reattach you will inevitably need to use a bathroom to shower. If you don't want flat mates knowing then make sure you have a lock on your bathroom door.
4.It depends on the person. For many it restores confidence and you get to lay into a lot more women which otherwise you wouldn't be able to (I'm talking about the shallow 18 year olds that don't look at bald men despite how attractive the man may be). It could be beneficial inasmuch as just allowing yourself not to worry about hair loss and seeing yourself with hair. The advantage over surgery is that it's not permanent. You can throw it away at any point and grow out your own hair. You have the choice. Surgery involves scars (FUE minimal scarring; but scarring nonetheless). Also hair systems give you full density whereas transplants can rarely return you to baseline. You have the advantage of having perfect hair (for the first week at least; then hair pieces will start to dry and fade).
5.It would be recommended to get a professional to make you a template. Then send this template to a reputable company. North West Lace are good; so are Hair4all. Order two systems and get them cut in by a hairdresser. You can then made modifications. For example, maybe your hair system is too dense. You simple ask for a reduction in density next time and so forth.
6. You have to be very brave to go ahead with it. Some people consider it weak but I think it is the opposite. The way I see it you shouldn't let your 20s go by worrying about hair and hair replacement gives you the hair. I recommend you go on hair replacement forums as well as you can get advice and it's nice not to feel alone if you go down this path. Final bit of advice - don't take it too seriously. Take it for what it is - a cosmetic solution to hair loss. If someone says you have nice hair you can tell them it's a wig - you might find the shock and disbelief on their face priceless ;)
 

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excellent advice jimmyjones!

I often to say to posters, try it, whats there to lose? I mean if it works for you it will transform your life as it has mine and many others. If it doesnt then nothing has really been lost and at least you have found something out. The only condition for those thinking of wearing is patience...research, try, refine...as with many things you will improve with experience.
 

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I often to say to posters, try it, whats there to lose? I mean if it works for you it will transform your life as it has mine and many others. If it doesnt then nothing has really been lost and at least you have found something out. The only condition for those thinking of wearing is patience...research, try, refine...as with many things you will improve with experience.

Do I have to do this again?

There is a lot to lose: your time (in maintenance, staying indoors because of bad weather), your money (easily 700€ for a quaility hair piece), your energy and even your dignity (if people discover you're wearing),

Not to mention the potential damage to your native hair and to your skin by the adhesive.

What is there to lose? Oh you know, not much.
 

grincher

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Do I have to do this again?

There is a lot to lose: your time (in maintenance, staying indoors because of bad weather), your money (easily 700€ for a quaility hair piece), your energy and even your dignity (if people discover you're wearing),

Not to mention the potential damage to your native hair and to your skin by the adhesive.

What is there to lose? Oh you know, not much.


Not sure where you are living but bad weather has zero effect. I have never stayed indoors due to bad or hot weather!

Your costs are grossly inflated. I buy mine at £200 a piece.

No energy as I am very motivated to have great hair and would spend 10 times as long to achieve the same result.

Dignity? I dont care if people know but no one has ever found out without me first telling them - they are that good. This is 2014, not 1974.

Lastly, your points on native hair and adhesive are opinion and conjucture.

Your signature refers to meds and grafts - well meds and grafts have significantly more proven downsides than a hair system, but you have omitted those. Not everyone wants painful surgery cutting their scalp with scarring and a hair transplant doesnt always work. The same for meds as well as the well documented side effects
 

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I have never suffered from side-effects from medication, my FUE surgery was not painful, and I have no scars.

And this is how it goes for the vast majority of people using minoxidil and going to a top FUE surgeon.

Seriously, who wears a hair piece? Virtually nobody. Why? Because as I've said many time, no matter how much you sugarcoat it, it's just not a viable solution for hair loss.

Look at how much it is discussed on hair loss forums.

You have maybe one new topic every two months, and there is nothing solid. Almost no truly happy people (you are an exception) wearing, no before/after.

Now take a look at the medication and hair transplants sections. There are a lot of happy people thanks to medication and a hair transplant, these are not the exception but the norm.

A FUE hair transplant is the only viable solution for people who are already bald.

At least when my transplanted hairs are fully grown, I'll be done with this crap for at least a decade. After that I may need a touch-up.

For only 5000€ here in Belgium as we have state of the art hair transplants for democratic prices.

In the meantime, you'll have spend tons of cash in those hair pieces, and you'll still have no hair on your head.
 

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I have never suffered from side-effects from medication, my FUE surgery was not painful, and I have no scars.

And this is how it goes for the vast majority of people using minoxidil and going to a top FUE surgeon.

Seriously, who wears a hair piece? Virtually nobody. Why? Because as I've said many time, no matter how much you sugarcoat it, it's just not a viable solution for hair loss.

Look at how much it is discussed on hair loss forums.

You have maybe one new topic every two months, and there is nothing solid. Almost no truly happy people (you are an exception) wearing, no before/after.

Now take a look at the medication and hair transplants sections. There are a lot of happy people thanks to medication and a hair transplant, these are not the exception but the norm.

A FUE hair transplant is the only viable solution for people who are already bald.

At least when my transplanted hairs are fully grown, I'll be done with this crap for at least a decade. After that I may need a touch-up.

For only 5000€ here in Belgium as we have state of the art hair transplants for democratic prices.

In the meantime, you'll have spend tons of cash in those hair pieces, and you'll still have no hair on your head.

I cannot disagree with you more.

You seem an authority on hair systems. How long did you wear a hair system?

ps 5000 whatever...euros? thats expensive!
 

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I agree with Fred with this one.
no doubt that hair systems have come a long way but overall, there are still very few ppl who opt for them as most would rather their own hair on their heads or shave it off as a last resort. Just going by the lack of discussions and before n after pics on forums is a clear indication of the confidence with this approach.
 

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I cannot disagree with you more.

You seem an authority on hair systems. How long did you wear a hair system?

ps 5000 whatever...euros? thats expensive!

My father has been wearing a hair piece since he was 17 years old in 1979. You lose.

He may be the most experienced hair piece wearer that has ever walked this earth.

He tried everything in this respect, real hair, synthetic hair, even had a hair piece sown to his own hair when it was a trend.

He's always been working with one of the best hair pieces professionals here in Brussels.

He says you can't just order 200€ hair pieces from the web. It's like ordering a cat in a bag.

In 35 years, he spent more than 50000€ in hair pieces. A fortune, and he still has no hair. Even my father himself admits that it's not a solution for hair loss.

It was his only solution in the 1980's and he just got used to it. But as he often say, very few people can deal with a hair piece. So there you have it again: it's not a viable solution for hair loss.
 

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My father has been wearing a hair piece since he was 17 years old in 1979. You lose.

He may be the most experienced hair piece wearer that has ever walked this earth.

He tried everything in this respect, real hair, synthetic hair, even had a hair piece sown to his own hair when it was a trend.

He's always been working with one of the best hair pieces professionals here in Brussels.

He says you can't just order 200€ hair pieces from the web. It's like ordering a cat in a bag.

In 35 years, he spent more than 50000€ in hair pieces. A fortune, and he still has no hair. Even my father himself admits that it's not a solution for hair loss.

It was his only solution in the 1980's and he just got used to it. But as he often say, very few people can deal with a hair piece. So there you have it again: it's not a viable solution for hair loss.

Thanks for being such a positive force on the forum, Fred.

We get it, nothing is a "viable solution for hair loss", except for real hair. But do you have to rub it in for those who possibly have to wear hair for the rest of their lives, or those who have a small hope that it might work for them?

I don't even know why you're still on this forum, didn't you have a hair transplant that was successful?

Instead of putting down every "solution" for hairloss and making people who read your comments more miserable than they really are, maybe you should be a little more conciderate.

I have to get a wig or a hairpiece soon and I have to wear it forever, and I'm just in my early 20's. I have no choice because I'm female and it isn't acceptable for a woman to go around bald.

Maybe you guys should try to support one another more instead of just making it worse than it already is, this forum is quite miserable and I don't even know why I'm here.

There is a much more supportive community at the heralopecia website, here you just talk about not being able to get HOT girls anymore and how nothing is remotely close to a solution.

And yes I know what you're thinking, "why don't you log out of this forum if it makes you more miserable?"

Well I don't have an answer.
 

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Thank you Evillolocks. But if there is one thing I hate above all, it's giving people false hope.

They seem to be much more supportive at heralopecia because that's how women work.

I've seen the threads and a lot of them are overly positive and delusional. "Don't worry girl, you're beautiful, it's going to be alright sweetie!"

As men, we don't talk like that, we tend to say things as they are, well that's how I operate.

As for my hair transplant, I've had it only 3 months ago, and while I might have like 10% of regrowth already, it takes a year, sometimes more for transplanted hairs to grow back.

So no I'm not done here, and I think I will not depart if I get my hair back, I still want to help those who need it on the forums. Especially when I see all the BS being spewed around here.

I don't put down every solution for hair loss, I think minoxidil, FUE hair transplants, concealers, sometimes even SMP (only combined with a hair transplant) are amazing tools in our arsenal.

DHT blockers like finasteride, RU, CB, hair pieces and SMP on its own, not so much.

But if you apply yourself, you can make a hair piece work really well for you. Remember that 99% of guys won't care one bit about it if they find out.

Trust me on this, I've seen the thirst, guys will put up with anything to get a girl nowadays. Stay strong, there will be life for you after hair loss, even if you don't want to believe it now.
 

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There are many people out that that have not made it a disaster and it is working for them. You get out what research you put in. I put in months of research before my first piece and keep putting it in so as to always improve.

Im not talking about 1979 or the 1980s. Im talking here and now in 2014. They've come on a huge leap since those dark days of the last century.

The point is whether you opt for a hair transplant, meds or a hair system it is an individual choice that shouldnt be denied. You talk of democratic prices yet seem to refuse people the full choice.

If I ever wanted one I can get one in London - 2000 grafts for £2200. Simply, I dont want one. Im very happy with my hair system.

Yes I did think of a hair transplant, but there are many stories of bad hair transplant. Hair not taking and falling out. Even the hair that does take is like bum fluff. Really poor hair. I could not dismiss that.

However, its wrapped it up, its invasive surgery. And as you said you will need more procedures. So maybe you will spend £20,000 as your hair keeps dropping. Plus you need on going drugs. Sure it works for some people, but I dont want the risk.

£20k will keep me in hair systems for 40-years!! I can have instantly a full head of hair without qualms. I am not shy about wearing. Everyone around me know and I have had nothing but positive comments.

The moral of the post, is whatever you select to fight your hair loss, good for you. Make it work, be happy and enjoy life.
 

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My father is still wearing a hair piece today in 2014. And it hasn't evolved one bit since 1979, how could it have evolved. It is and will always be just fake hair that you glue to your head.

My father's father was a wearer too, and he has the same opinion on the matter. My father knows other wearers, and they all have the same complains, so yes it happens to everyone.

There are also countless stories about successful hair transplants, just go to the hairlossexperiences forum and you'll see for yourself. Look at the works of *********, ********, De Reys etc.

Do you even realise the words you use? Who said I wasted 5000€ (4500€ to be exact)? Don't talk crap about hair transplants if you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

I may not even need other surgeries, my crown is well-maintained will minoxidil only. Just admit that you didn't have the discipline required to use minoxidil, you most likely used it for a few months and then quit.

I've never had those side-effects, and they happen to a very small percentage of users. If it ever happens you can discontinue the drug and they will go away instantly.
 

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Thank you Evillolocks. But if there is one thing I hate above all, it's giving people false hope.

They seem to be much more supportive at heralopecia because that's how women work.

I've seen the threads and a lot of them are overly positive and delusional. "Don't worry girl, you're beautiful, it's going to be alright sweetie!"

As men, we don't talk like that, we tend to say things as they are, well that's how I operate.

As for my hair transplant, I've had it only 3 months ago, and while I might have like 10% of regrowth already, it takes a year, sometimes more for transplanted hairs to grow back.

So no I'm not done here, and I think I will not depart if I get my hair back, I still want to help those who need it on the forums. Especially when I see all the BS being spewed around here.

I don't put down every solution for hair loss, I think minoxidil, FUE hair transplants, concealers, sometimes even SMP (only combined with a hair transplant) are amazing tools in our arsenal.

DHT blockers like finasteride, RU, CB, hair pieces and SMP on its own, not so much.

But if you apply yourself, you can make a hair piece work really well for you. Remember that 99% of guys won't care one bit about it if they find out.

Trust me on this, I've seen the thirst, guys will put up with anything to get a girl nowadays. Stay strong, there will be life for you after hair loss, even if you don't want to believe it now.

No one is asking you to be overly positive and I agree the women on heralopecia is overly positive. I get that there is nothing good about wearing a hair piece,

and that I'll never again have the feeling of having my own hair, growing from my own head, which is the only thing I want on this planet.

But to be so negative about something that might just be the only "solution" left for someone like me, or a male diffuser that doesn't have donor maybe,

is a little mean spirited.

If you don't have anything positive to say about wigs / pieces then maybe try keeping it to yourself,

because for someone who is totally at the end of their rope grasping for something to hold on to, it's devastating to read.

I shouldn't be here I know, but you might recognise the feeling of craving to be on this forum because there is nowhere else for you to go and talk about it?

I "like" to whine as well and no I don't see a hair piece as a "solution". It's merely about making an attempt at living a life that is somewhat worth living.

And no, hearing that "guys are desperate, they'll take anything" isn't helping much.

First of all what girl (or guy) wants to be with someone who is only with them because they need something from them or who are desperate.

I want true love, but It's starting to dawn on me that might never happen.

If I do find a guy, will he only be with me because he is so desperate or such of a loser he cannot get anyone else and better?

That said, I don't think guys are as desperate as you claim. Here on this forum you talk about nothing but not being able to get HOT GIRLS anymore.

Would you yourself settle for a bald woman? You can say that there are plenty of guys who would, but would you? Seriously?

I guess if I go to the bottom of the pile and find myself and old, fat and broke fart then maybe I too can get a guy. But I do not just want to "get a guy",

like you don't want to "get a girl". You want a pretty, smart and funny girl, right? Then why chose someone like me who is ugly, miserable and lonely? I'm not rich either.

So yeah, is there nothing left for me? Should I just kill myself? Trust me I would have a long time ago, if it wasn't for my damn family loving me so much.

But every day is true and pure hell for me, so I might just in the end.
 

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I would date a balding girl, and I'm not kidding. I remember seeing this girl with alopecia areata who shaved her head, and I thought to myself that she was pretty hot despite her bald head.

The thing is, I'm being totally honest when I say this. When girls say this kind of thing, it's almost never true. "I don't care about a man's looks", then you see the strings of tall, ripped NW1 guys they go out with on their Facebook.

I get it, you want love. Don't take this wrong but that kind of statement reminds me of Elliot Rodger. He didn't just want sex, he wanted a "true" relationship, whatever that meant.

If there's one thing I learned in life, even at my young age, it's that (true) love always comes after a relationship has already become physical, never the other around, except for people who live in a Disney fantasy.

As a girl, there's no denying you have way less to do to start a relationship. Get the guy's attention, and then make it easy for him to escalate with you.

Aren't there any guys you fancy around you? If that's the case, maybe you should lower your standards or calm down your ego. I know that's not what you want to hear.

But I get this all the time with my friends who come to me for dating/relationship advice, they all want this perfect smart hot girl, they all want a true relationship, not just sex.

My discourse is always the same, first lower your standards, second, understand that you must have sex with the girl to even contemplate building a loving relationship.

A woman wearing a wig is not a deal breaker, the other guys have said it too, and they're telling the truth. Even your thinning hair is not a deal breaker, trust me on this.

Have you posted pictures of your hair on the forum by the way?

As a bald man in his early 20's, I had to do that every now and then, lower my standards and stop believing I deserve top notch women only. There's no shame in that.

Miserable and lonely can be changed, ugly can definitely be improved. Rich doesn't matter, men don't care if a girl is rich or not.

Make a plan. Now. Find a good hair pieces place in your country. Make appointments with top surgeons in Europe. Buy concealers. Use minoxidil. Consider medication like spironolactone.

There's no other way you'll get yourself out of that hell. You must take these decisions now, or you're going to regret it later in life.

Keep faith, everything is going to be fine in the end, but you have to get proactive and fight this plague, don't just lie around thinking it will pass on its own.
 

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A woman wearing a wig is not a deal breaker, the other guys have said it too, and they're telling the truth.
True!! And please dont think that its because the guy is desparate, at least not all the cases. As Fred said be proactive and focus on your education etc. best of luck.

btw nice post fred.
 

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Your daddy is a sample of one and thats hardly scientific. Becuase daddy had a bad experience and daddy's mates have a bad experience it doesnt mean there arent thousands of good experiences out there. To think this is the case is myopic and false.


Daddy sounds a horribly poor wearer if he is still using the same pieces as in 1979. He needs more help if thats the case. The world has moved on since those days son.


AND


Minoxidil....according to wiki (not daddy)...


o side effects include burning or irritation of the eye, itching, redness or irritation at the treated area,
o unwanted hair growth elsewhere on the body.
o severe allergic reactions (e.g. rash, hives, itching, difficulty breathing, tightness in the chest, or swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue),
o chest pain, dizziness, fainting, tachycardia (rapid heartbeat),
o sudden and unexplained weight gain,
o swelling of the hands and feet.
o hair loss is a common side effect of minoxidil treatment. Manufacturers offer no guarantee that the new hair loss will be replaced with hair growth.
o drying of the scalp, resulting in dandruff and contact dermatitis.
o Side effects of oral minoxidil may include swelling of the face and extremities, rapid and irregular heartbeat, lightheadedness, cardiac lesions, and focal necrosis of the papillary muscle and subendocardial areas of the left ventricle.
o There have been cases of allergic reactions to minoxidil or the non-active ingredient propylene glycol, which is found in some topical minoxidil formulations.
o Minoxidil is highly toxic to cats, and may cause death with just inadvertent skin contact


Also I tried it and it didnt work for me.
 

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You have poor reading skills as well as poor marketing skills. No one is buying your hair pieces pep talk.

I've never said my father had a bad experience with hair pieces, it's what kept him alive, but he acknowledges that maybe 1 man in 100 will have what it takes to make a hair system work.

Of course he doesn't use the same hair pieces he used in 1979, it would be impossible. He uses state of the art hair pieces. Yet the problems remain the same.

Why do you keep posting these minoxidil side-effects? It's not impressing anyone. Every drug has side-effects and minoxidil is one of the safest drugs out there.
 

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You have poor reading skills as we as poor marketing skills.

Why do you keep posting these minoxidil side-effects? It's not impressing anyone. Every drug has side-effects and minoxidil is one of the safest drugs out there.

>>You have poor reading skills as we as poor marketing skills

I didn't understand what you wrote.

That was the first time I have posted the side effects here. Is it a touchy subject for you?

the bottom line is you have a perverse myopic view on hair pieces, yet many people on this forum and others will testify to the positive effect they have had. Why cant you open your mind for once and accept it the facts?

You are so negative and I am positive. I say to readers to try hair pieces or any other solutions you want. Dont let the negative ignorant people deter you as most of their thinking is half baked and unconvincing. I mean their so called experience doesnt seem to extend beyond their own front door :)

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Many? How many? 5 people? Where?! This was posted on another forum a few hours ago, must be one of the success stories you're talking about:

Hi Hal,

This is my first post on this site and I must say what Hal is preaching here was dead on! Hell, I am a past client of that Toronto Hair System place. The guys were great, they do genuinely care about the work they do but it wasn't for me and I stopped using a system after 3 months.

To be blunt, I was 25 years old then. This all happened a year ago. I thought a hair transplant was too risky and that all these videos I saw online of hair systems would lead to me having my hair loss problem solved. At first I really enjoyed it, hell my confidence skyrocketed. But then the paranoia set in. What if someone spots my hair system? What if my glue or tape loosens if I'm sweating or in serious heat (because it does)? What happens when a lady feels my hair and finds out I'm wearing a wig, they won't call it a hair system... They can easily feel the front fake hairline, its hard and very noticeable to the touch. What happens if I damage my hair system randomly? What happens if it rains (because the hair system is a dead giveaway then)?

Swimming in it would be impossible, I don't care what videos anyone has seen of guys swimming with them on, you won't be able to.

In the end, wearing a hair system became one of the most stressful things of my life. The paranoia of being outed or having a malfunction will always be there. Least it was for me. I was a norwood 5 at that point, I just buzz my head now and plan on saving up for a hair transplant. Stopping the use of a hair system made me actually enjoy my life again. I'm not happy with my hair situation, but I've made the best of it for now.

Hope this helps if anyone is thinking of getting a hair system. They can work for the right individuals, no doubting that. But the maintenance of them and the paranoia was my reasoning for stopping that.

Cheers.
 

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It's incredibly annoying that this Fred the Belgian guy comes on here, which he does sporadically, and spreads all this misinformation about hair systems, which is calculated to scare away people new to the subject, or at least make them throw up their hands not knowing who to believe.


The fact is he has never worn a hairpiece, and his only source of information is the piece his father wears, the soi-disant "state of the art hairpiece". Well, a few months back he put up a picture of his father wearing his "state of the art hairpiece". I don't like to criticise a bald brother, especially when he is not here to defend himself, but truthfully it looked like something your Auntie Gladys would have worn to the Rotary Club annual dinner circa 1973 - an ugly shapeless wig complete with all-round fringe and purple tinge. Think Gerard Depardieu playing Obelix the Gaul. "State of the art hairpiece" my arse.


The reason this is so annoying is that for some guys a hairpiece is the right answer. Certainly not for everyone, that's for sure: many guys will never get over the fear of "being busted" or of having to tell a partner. Some will not be able to make it work - you definitely need good aesthetic judgement to get a great result from a hairpiece. But for those who can overcome those factors, a hairpiece is easily the cheapest, best-looking and least noxious way of combatting hairloss. For those with severe balding it is really the only viable option bar shaving. At a conservative guess there must surely be 25% of the guys on this board for whom it would at least be worth investigating non-surgical hair replacement.


So if you are new to this subject, please, ignore idiots like Fred the Belgian. Go and have a look for yourself. Look at the photo boards on sites like Northwest Lace, Toplace, Coolpiece and even Hair Direct. See the results that their customers have achieved. These are real guys like us (you can easily spot the ones who don't have sufficient aesthetic taste to pull it off, and have ended up with a wiggy result). But most are acceptable and the good ones are really good, and these guys are happy with their lives. I hope our Belgian friend will be equally happy when he sees what has sprouted out of his plugs in a year's time.


And cheer up Evillocks; Fred is in the market for bald chicks, and he's not kidding! So there's a happy thought to end with.
 
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