I had been taken propecia from constantly 2014-2020 and used minoxidil 2012-mid 2021(on and off). It didn't work and got worse from NW3 to NW5. One time I worked my colleagues for light work assembly inside the air-conditioned lab in August 2020, I was the only one sweating I mean dripping. It made me very embarrassing and order carpe anti sweating cream. It's really surprised me a lot tiny hair coming out on the crown. I didn't believe it and I didn't intent to use anti sweating cream for hair growth purpose. I stop used it twice(more than 3 months each time), the hair growth have slowed or stopped. I finally admitted this cream works for me very well. My crown are fully patched and have full density. They are terminal hair(but still little bit softer the sides) and they are not vellus hair. Now I have used more amount for the frontal and grow a lot of the vellus hair. I hope and expect becoming terminal hair within 6 months. I am so happy to find the cure for me finally. If I have to guess how many hair growth, I would guess 20,000 from the crown and frontal. The only carpe brand I used, it might works from other brands I haven't tried.