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World Congress For Hair Research 2017 - Intro

Discussion in 'General Discussions, Presentations, and Interviews' started by hellouser, Nov 8, 2017.

  1. bags

    bags Established Member My Regimen

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    @hellouser don't mean to be that guy but I'm just wondering when we can expect a data dump? Next weekend? And from what you heard do you still think Shisedio is still on par for a 2018 limited release? Full details in the data dump of course. Just a yes, no or u can't say for certain but are optimistic would suffice. I'm literally losing more hair waiting on your data lol. Fml.

    I know it's not gunna make the treatments available any faster but I'm a control freak and I just need to know every last thing up to the minute. It drives me mad not knowing haha.
     
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    All that interesting history, science, and human interest and yet propecia is a pile of worthless shit. I can only imagine how excited the forums would have been over it had they existed circa 1991 - 97.
     
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    I think the suspense is making my hair fall out!...oh wait.
     
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    Trichosan Senior Member My Regimen

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    No, if you are immortal.
     
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    At this point its completely up in the air in regards to Shisedio because of the curveball the representative said about the project has been "transferred" to replicel. They are still currently doing the trial but Replicel didn't hold their end of the bargin up with Shisedio which has me worried.
     
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    bags Established Member My Regimen

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    I dunno man. I honestly think like I previously stated they just don't want to say anything to anyone who appears to be from the west, in fear that they maybe working on behalf of Replicell to try and catch Shisedio employees saying something that would fcuk them in the court of law. Especially when they come up to you with recording devices asking questions regarding Replicell like H.U. did.

    I know he did not mean any harm or offence but it would have been better if he just asked about them and their progress instead of bringing Replicell name into the question. Oh well I'm just excited to hear what he's got.

    I truly believe that what they told him has nothing to do with their progress Good or Bad. I think they just heard Replicell and a huge red flag went up. Like get this guy away from here.


    Jm2C

     
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    Shiseido Complaint

    In mid‐2016, Shiseido alleged RepliCel’s breach of obligations in the agreement which Shiseido alleged were potentially terminal to future obligations pursuant to the agreement. RepliCel has vigorously denied the existence of such breach and insists on the ongoing validity of the respective obligations on both parties pursuant to the agreement. (Company Filing)

    The alleged breach relates to two matters:
    1) Loss of a culture medium – RepliCel’s supplier was acquired by GE and then ceased making the medium for the cells. The recipe as transmitted simply did not work and so RepliCel and its contract staff had to recreate the new medium. It’s the same medium now being used by Shiseido in its current trial.
    2) RepliCel’s failure to initiate a Phase II trial in pattern baldness. The contract, however, does not state a timeline. While financials have certainly limited RepliCel’s ability to move swiftly, the management maintains its intent to proceed.

    There is no litigation that has been triggered. There is a downside for Shiseido: it has access to the technology as it stood when it licensed. A fight to the finish terminates access to improvements.

    At its worst, Shiseido receives a royalty-free license to the hair restoration technology. RepliCel loses the following:

    1) Up to $31M in milestone payments;
    2) Single digit royalties on net sales in Japan, China, South Korea, Taiwan and the ASEAN countries.

    If the upcoming milestones are positive, we expect this dispute to resolve. RepliCel will then look more like a viable company and it will get ready for its next set of clinical trials and begin partnering negotiations anew.
     
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    Guess we won't know much until Replicel has a meeting with its stock holders.
     
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    I emailed Replicel a few days ago asking if Shiseido is still on track to launch the treatment next year. Lee Buckler got back to me and said that it depends on the clinical data. Shiseido may decide to launch the product after they release the data next year. So it doesn’t sound like anything has changed.
     
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    If only I started to go bald this year instead of 3 years ago :(
     
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    I wonder how good the clinical data is gonna have to be for them to launch it.
     
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    ?! He got back to you? Can you PM me the email you used?
     
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    Hey Hell, I don’t think the site is allowing me to PM since I don’t have many posts but I just looked up Replicel’s contact information on their page and used the email that’s listed.
     
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    hellouser Senior Member My Regimen

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    Yup, that’s the one
     
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    hellouser Senior Member My Regimen

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    why is anyone losing their minds about what ever data is still to be uploaded?? the bottom line is there is still no cure
     
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    Nevertheless Proscar was prescribed off label in 5mg dose for hair loss before Merck did trials on it to see what dosage it would help hair loss. .You have just been corrected.
     
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    That's a side point, I think.

    If I understood correctly, you were originally suggesting that the next hairloss drug will be a drug developed for other diseases but one that just so happens to grow hair as a side effect; at the point of this serendipitous discovery, the drug is rebranded or otherwise used off label for hair growth. And you have correctly recognized that that was exactly the case with minoxidil, but I disagree with your placement of finasteride in the same category.

    As I mentioned earlier, a 5ARI's consequence on both hair and prostate growth were very well elucidated due to the studies on the 5AR-deficient population in the Caribbean. Hair growth was always expected and it is therefore not surprising that Propecia was released a mere 5 years after Proscar. In this case, the brief period of off label use prior to the release of Propecia is due to jumping the gun and off label use of Proscar currently is only done for obtaining finasteride at a lower price.

    So, the mere fact that Proscar was (and is) used off label offers no insight into the difficulty of finding a hairloss cure, the manner in which that discovery is made, or the field in which it is made (there are clearly non small molecule approaches such as autologous cell transplantation that show promising, if not more elegant means to cure hairloss; biopharmaceuticals are an emerging important class of drugs that do not fall into the small molecule category).

    And so I reject your claim about how the next hairloss drug will arrive to the general public.

     

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