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Discussion in '9th World Congress for Hair Research Conference' started by hellouser, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. Armando Jose

    Armando Jose Senior Member My Regimen

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    have you a recent photo of this trasplanted guy?
    5 years after the operation could be very interesting.
     
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    Swoop Senior Member My Regimen

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    He looks way more confident in the 2nd picture! :mrgreen:
     
  3. Hairloss23

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    I wonder why lol
     
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    cause he's a fakkit
     
  5. hellouser

    hellouser Senior Member My Regimen

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    Why doesnt hell just start his own crowd funding donation page where we will all donate. We just need to get the message out on social media.

    We all know they researches will never do it so lets do it for them.
     
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    And people here still think under the misconception that even advanced hairloss is easily reversable...right, just casually go down to your local clinic and drop ten thousand dollars and walk out a new man, when the reality is only the top surgeons in the world can be trusted to do quality work and even then there is only so much they can do.... which translates to alot of bald guys getting turned down by these clinics because they know they cant achieve cosmetically acceptable results that they can show off on their fancy websites and brochures. But joe nw3 is welcomed with open arms. Even in the hairloss industry (where there is supposed to be compassion for this condition )there is descrimination. Oh but you better bet there are tons of butchers out there who will happily take your money regardless of the chances or lack therof your Norwood level provides.

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    ....which is why it is disheartening to know that no real significant advancement in this ailing industry are going to come in my lifetime.
     
  9. Notcoolanymore

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    WhitePolarBear Senior Member My Regimen

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    Haha, Joe NW3 :p. That's exactly what I've been saying, if they can't showcase your result on their website, they won't operate on you.

    I kept repeating that I just wanted some f-ing hair, just something in place of my infinite bald loser (in the eyes of society) forehead, but they didn't want to hear it.

    You are not a candidate. That's what they kept saying. I just knew it was possible to do something. And they could do it. They just didn't want to.

    But type this on Google: "1074 grafts - going for perfect hair line". The guy in that case is like a NW1.1 and he gets taken seriously by the clinics!
     
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    Anyone else think that calculator is a bit too generous? Hitting all seven areas at 35 grafts per cm[SUP]2[/SUP] would require "only" 6260 grafts.
     
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    Yes the calculator is wrong once you get past the first 2 zones. Very inaccurate. To cover a NW6 plus area I would guess you're looking at around 16-17000 grafts and even then I think the hair would still feel very thin and may even show scalp under harsh sunlight.
     
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    Average area of NW6 is around 175cm/2. To fill that at a normal density of about 60 grafts per cm/2 is 175 * 60 = 10,500. You could play it safe and assume it's 200cm/2 and then it's still 12,000.
     
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    I think I would need 5 to 6000. How much would it cost in Canada?
     
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    WhitePolarBear Senior Member My Regimen

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    Around 25000€/US $. Almost half of that if you fly to Belgium or Turkey.
     
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    That's about half a year's savings for me. Think instead I will "maintain" and wait for news and developments with Replicel/Shiseido and Histogen between now and 2018. It sounds very exciting and could well prove to be more cost efficient than hair transplant and-or in combination. I know what they say about living for the moment and stuff, but two years isn't that long from now.
     
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    I understand your logic, but if you go back 15 years ago on these forums, you will see people having the same discussions as we are today. A thread was bumped the other day and it was 2010, they were discussing Histogen etc. There's no guarantee these things will be released and we don't really know if they'll work for everyone. Furthermore, we have no idea about side effects and won't do for decades. Our option is finasteride, even after 20 years of action, we don't know why this drug gives side effects to some and not to others. We have no idea what damage it does to our liver, we have no idea if it cause infertility in some people and more side effects that we're not aware of. This is after 20 years on the market. So even if a new treatment comes out, how will we know that it is safe? Based on trials? Don't trials show finasteride to be safe? The reality seems different.

    The only serious option in my eyes is a hair transplant. I could be wrong, I must admit, I am certainly no expert, but I haven't seen anything else that can give you some hair.

    The fact that they can transplant hair, it remains and grows is a massive positive. The only issue now is improvement of this technique (which is happening) to make sure scars are less eliminated and donors can be regenerated.
     
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    The only way I might consider hair transplant is if something like Histogen could give me a result close to or almost as good as Craig Ziering's test patient, the one depicted in the Histogen thread photo. Those before and after photos blew me away.

    Yes it's entirely possible that neither Histogen nor Replicel/Shiseido will be on the market by 2018, although I can't recall a time when we had at least two North American companies claiming they will bring cell therapy procedures for hair loss to market in 18 to 24 months. Histogen and Replicel have made announcements about milestones to be achieved leading up to commercial procedures between now and then. It's not like we'll be in the dark about progress, like everyone was 15 years ago.

    This is somewhat exciting I think. And so what if...? What if we receive a steady stream of good news from those companies between now and 2017/18? I think it wouldn't hurt to hold off on hair transplant for at least a little while longer. We might end up only needing half or a third or a quarter as many FUTs, FUEs or whatever the case is. Who knows, really, but I think this next year to year and half could be interesting.
     
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    IF i was Bill Gates i would give money even it i had full head of hair. Peapole are scums. If i was that rich i would try help in all aspekt in this world. We live in hell guys this world is so ****ed upp
     
  20. Armando Jose

    Armando Jose Senior Member My Regimen

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    With the due respect,
    "If I was Bill Gates, I would money to fight hunger and poverty, before than hair loss treatment"
     

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