Why is propecia not OTC?

[bubka]

alcohol. I rest my case.

well you case just got destroyed because one binge of alcohol is not going to cause birth defects, it take constant usage thus the fetal alcohol "syndrome" a series of alcohol usages has to occur

like a said jayman, people like those two just had the constitution and democracy, they cannot stand when the majority is against them, or if written in the constitution

 

[Bryan]

name one drug that can be as dangerous as finasteride that you can get OTC??? i rest my case

Aspirin. If you swallow a bottle of aspirins, you're dead. If you swallow a bottle of Propecia tablets, nothing serious will happen (you _might_ get a tummy-ache from swallowing that many pills).

Bryan

 

[bubka]

well aspirin yes, but thats only because it has been OTC since it's been around, i have heard this from many people that if it were discovered today, it would likely be Rx. the point still stands though as to why finasteride is not OTC, hell i could drink lots of water and kill myself too

 

[Guest]

women have a right to choose and if they choose to have a kid, finasteride tablets should be kept away from them.

Why does one individual have the right to termine the life of another indivual, but then she cannot choose to take or abstain from finasteride? I'm certainly not going to take midol. Again you guys are missing the big aspect of individual responsibility that must be exercised throughout life in general rather than relying on big government to protect us from ourselves.

not to take this too off topic but it's my understanding that federal Medicaid funds can only be used on abortions that are the product of rape, incest, or the save the mother's health/life. state laws may differ on what they cover but you can always move to another state if you don't like their abortion funding regulations. until then, stop whining, because voters of your state elect the legislators that craft the medicaid laws.

You understanding is correct but you're also missing the fact that HHS appropriations fund Planned Parenthood which is a big contributors to the disrespect of individual life in our country.

Not to take this too far off topic myself, but the federal government has no business funding, or even outlawing abortion. This should be the STATE's decision even though all the states should outlaw it since it is murder, and that is the very most basic aspect that governments are formed to prevent and punish the aggression of another individual's rights. Though if Californian's want to abort themselves, that's not much of my business since I don't live there!

Being that the feds provide funds to murder babies, I will whine as much as I please about it thank you!

 

[Guest]

well you case just got destroyed because one binge of alcohol is not going to cause birth defects, it take constant usage thus the fetal alcohol "syndrome" a series of alcohol usages has to occur

like a said jayman, people like those two just had the constitution and democracy, they cannot stand when the majority is against them, or if written in the constitution

Who is talking about the number of instances that you have to use a substance to cause a birth defect? Are you expanding the case of your argument or sticking with simply which OTC product (of any kind) can cause birth defects. Even if that's the case, there's no law outlawing a woman from alcoholism during pregnancy which would cause birth defects as you state. There's no law outlawing the consumption of non-pasteurized cheeses, or the consistent scooping of kitty litter. Oh, finasteride isn't addictive either.

Do not believe in the concept of personal responsbility? Shouldn't somebody exercise caution and care with ANY medication they are taking whether it is aspirin (which one can be allergic to) or an OTC finasteride???

None of what you say matters, it simply about politics and $$$$$$. THAT is why finasteride is not OTC. Don't even get me started on other drugs, or drugs in general, if you cannot fathom that finasteride could possibly be OTC.

 

[bubka]

we know you cannot, because you are an idiot who believes a fetus is a baby, and abortion is murder

the government role is to protect people, not everyone has the ability to do overwhelming research, and read every study and warning label, thus, you regulate a drug and provide that it requires an Rx

but you can go with the tin foil hat conspiracy that the fda is just out to make people money and give pharmacists a job

 

[Guest]

I'm an idiot who believes a fetus is a baby? I never said a fetus is a baby. I said these are individual lives that have rights.

It is the role of government to punish the aggression of another indivual's rights. That's what liberty means. That you can do whatever you want to do, as long as you don't hurt somebody else. The role of government is NOT to protect people from themselves, especially at the expense of me.

I don't need a tin-foil conspiracy hat. The process of FDA approvals and how they operate themselves speaks for itself. What do pharmacists have to do with this? In a free market pharmacists would still be needed.

Oh by the way, you can stop using the world "democracy" like your buddy Bush, because we are NOT a democracy and our Founding Fathers warned AGAINST democracy. How about reading our Founding documents?

 

[bubka]

It is the role of government to punish the aggression of another indivual's rights. That's what liberty means. That you can do whatever you want to do, as long as you don't hurt somebody else. The role of government is NOT to protect people from themselves, especially at the expense of me.

and we know that you should have the "liberty" to hurt a developing fetus, or a pre-adult adolescent, because finasteride shore can do that... i can just smell hypocrisy

you just said it

That you can do whatever you want to do, as long as you don't hurt somebody else.

f*****g finasteride can hurt other people, thats why it is Rx jesus h christ already...

Oh by the way, you can stop using the world "democracy" like your buddy Bush, because we are NOT a democracy and our Founding Fathers warned AGAINST democracy. How about reading our Founding documents?

Bush is my "buddy" thats news to me... from a guy who has never voted for a Republican in my life

 

[Cassin]

easy easy!

 

[Guest]

Geez, I'm dealing with a governmental midget here who cannot understand the concept of liberty. It is about individual rights. My rights end where your rights begin. Therefore the human LIFE inside the mother has the most basic right which is life and no man can take that away. Here's a good non-partisan way of explaining it from http://www.l4l.org

Sure, finasteride CAN hurt other people. A steak knife CAN hurt somebody. A ceramic mug CAN hurt somebody. A baseball CAN hurt somebody, what is your point?! You simply want the government to protect you from yourself at MY expense.

Ok, your buddy Clinton, or Osama Obama, whatever, like there's a big difference between any of the big names on the Republocratic or Demolican sides. :roll: Lemme guess, a party line voter because "democrats can do no wrong?" :lol:

 

[bubka]

Geez, I'm dealing with a governmental midget here who cannot understand the concept of liberty. It is about individual rights. My rights end where your rights begin. Therefore the human LIFE inside the mother has the most basic right which is life and no man can take that away. Here's a good non-partisan way of explaining it from http://www.l4l.org

Sure, finasteride CAN hurt other people. A steak knife CAN hurt somebody. A ceramic mug CAN hurt somebody. A baseball CAN hurt somebody, what is your point?! You simply want the government to protect you from yourself at MY expense.

Ok, your buddy Clinton, or Osama Obama, whatever, like there's a big difference between any of the big names on the Republocratic or Demolican sides. :roll: Lemme guess, a party line voter because "democrats can do no wrong?" :lol:

so i called you a libertarian earlier, and you freaked out an denied it, then you post a libertarians for life... wacko wacko wacko, and a lier too by the way

Osama Obama, at least when i call names, i back it up with idiotic statements and reasoning you make, you resort to some sort of 3rd grade tactic of rhyming names with other names

just leave this site please, you have contributed nothing intellectually

 

[Guest]

Why does one individual have the right to termine the life of another indivual, but then she cannot choose to take or abstain from finasteride? I'm certainly not going to take midol.

You're using some pretty strong words, but nothing is stopping a woman from ordering finasteride online from UP or Inhouse and taking it if she is determined to f*** her baby up.

 

[bubka]

Why does one individual have the right to termine the life of another indivual, but then she cannot choose to take or abstain from finasteride? I'm certainly not going to take midol.

You're using some pretty strong words, but nothing is stopping a woman from ordering finasteride online from UP or Inhouse and taking it if she is determined to f*** her baby up.

exactly, thats half the point of having an Rx, if you take it without one, then you are liable for damages you cause to yourself, and others

however, its quite different to some extent with other OTC meds, especially with birth defects

but i see that common sense does not side on your side

 

[Guest]

so i called you a libertarian earlier, and you freaked out an denied it, then you post a libertarians for life... wacko wacko wacko, and a lier too by the way

Posting the http://www.l4l.org website does not make me a Libertarian. Due to being a political midget, you do not understand the concept of liberty. That website gives you a liberty minded case against abortion. I'd much rather be a member of the Libertarian Party though than whatever crackpost fasco-socialist group you belong to. I am a lier too, I lie down whenever I sleep, as I would suppose you do as well.

Osama Obama, at least when i call names, i back it up with idiotic statements and reasoning you make, you resort to some sort of 3rd grade tactic of rhyming names with other names

It's a quote of Osama Obama's colleague. You wouldn't understand. You ignored my point anyways, big surprise.

And once again I will say:
Sure, finasteride CAN hurt other people. A steak knife CAN hurt somebody. A ceramic mug CAN hurt somebody. A baseball CAN hurt somebody, what is your point?! You simply want the government to protect you from yourself at MY expense.

 

[Guest]

Why does one individual have the right to termine the life of another indivual, but then she cannot choose to take or abstain from finasteride? I'm certainly not going to take midol.

You're using some pretty strong words, but nothing is stopping a woman from ordering finasteride online from UP or Inhouse and taking it if she is determined to f*** her baby up.

How am I using strong words? They are what they are.

That is a straw man argument. A woman is going to do much simpler, and more damaging things, to harm her baby rather than go and order finasteride from UP or Inhouse. Again, going back to the point that it is simply politics, lobbyists (which fall under politics of course), and $$$$$$ (which fall under the previous two) that keep something like finasteride from being OTC. It's not the job for the government to protect people from themselves at mine and your expense.

 

[Guest]

Fairtax,

let's just make codeine otc and let anyone of any age buy it. if they take it and get addicted then that's their problem and not mine.

sounds good to me.

i say we also remove the governmental regulations on abortion providers and have those one-stop abortion places like they have for LASIK surgery. 200 per fetus! Just line those women up and I'll do 20 in a row! I don't have an M.D. but I read this book and I'm a libertarian. That should be good enough.

Whadya say?

 

[Guest]

Why does one individual have the right to termine the life of another indivual, but then she cannot choose to take or abstain from finasteride? I'm certainly not going to take midol.

You're using some pretty strong words, but nothing is stopping a woman from ordering finasteride online from UP or Inhouse and taking it if she is determined to f*** her baby up.

How am I using strong words? They are what they are.

That is a straw man argument. A woman is going to do much simpler, and more damaging things, to harm her baby rather than go and order finasteride from UP or Inhouse. Again, going back to the point that it is simply politics, lobbyists (which fall under politics of course), and $$$$$$ (which fall under the previous two) that keep something like finasteride from being OTC. It's not the job for the government to protect people from themselves at mine and your expense.

But you want the government to protect women from themselves and limit them from doing what they want with their own bodies.

 

[Guest]

Fairtax,

let's just make codeine otc and let anyone of any age buy it. if they take it and get addicted then that's their problem and not mine.

Again, straw man argument. Codeine is not finasteride. Apples to oranges. Are we talking individual drug to drug here or are you talking about DRUGS in general now? If you want to talk about the prohibition of drugs lets take it over to the off-topic forum.

i say we also remove the governmental regulations on abortion providers and have those one-stop abortion places like they have for LASIK surgery. 200 per fetus! Just line those women up and I'll do 20 in a row! I don't have an M.D. but I read this book and I'm a libertarian. That should be good enough.
Whadya say?

But you want the government to protect women from themselves and limit them from doing what they want with their own bodies.

Your argument makes no sense and cannot even hold its own. It's completely fallacious and random, meaning there basically is no argument in your response just some thoughts thrown together in attempt to have it address what I've already responded to you with.

You must not have read my previous responses to you and to bubba. The ability of somebody to take on personal responsibility when it comes to taking finasteride, has simply NOTHING to do with one person aggressing the rights of another. Geez, the concept of life and liberty is so simple but you two cannot get it.

By the way, I really don't think you guys even know what a libertarian is. Whynot research this before simply throwing around terms that you do not really understand?

 

[Guest]

A libertarian is a conservative who wants to be able to smoke pot legally. And also get more drugs OTC, in your case.

And you are the one who wants to trample on the rights of women by telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies. The fetus has very few legal rights. You and your bud should stop using the term murder when murder is a LEGAL term and abortion is legal.

 

[person_123]

It's not the job for the government to protect people from themselves at mine and your expense.

So what are the police for? Why is it illegal to commit suicide? Why is there a justice system at all? Why do you pay taxes? Why are there road laws?

If the government was not to protect people from themselves, I believe we would have anarchy.