When you hit norwood seven it is over

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That's the thing. Nobody sees your sixpack under your clothes but everyone sees your increasingly bald head always. You have to be really large to pull off that Gentle Ben, Merlin Olsen stuff, if anyone gets that reference.

Here's the other thing: in a post-industrial society, women don't need us anymore. They take all of the office jobs and happily while we loggers, stevedores, mill workers, miners, fishermen--every miserable job goes to males now.

Ive always said that when people talk about being bald and fit. You know why they say bald and style is so important? because no one can see your body under your clothes. I was discussing this with my brother (AGAIN) and he said
"well you have a way better body than me"
and I first asked him
"cool how many hours a day do you have to spend eating right and working out for your great head of hair again"?
and then finished it with
"well when you find a restaurant that has a sign saying no shirt, no shoes, service I guess thats my place, until then no one sees my body on the average".

being fit and bald is really just being BALD and fit.

For your second statement. Have you noticed thats just the case of gender roles reassigning? No matter how much people want to deny it we always fall into gender roles where the men are usually in more dangerous positions of life. its evolutionary because it takes way less men to repopulate than women. instead of cleaning and cooking, women are now just in an office safe, warm and enclosed. Most men now are exterior. Instead of hunting and gathering we're picking up trash, working on dangerous job sites, and beating up our bodies. Its just our natural roles.
 

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Ive always said that when people talk about being bald and fit. You know why they say bald and style is so important? because no one can see your body under your clothes. I was discussing this with my brother (AGAIN) and he said
"well you have a way better body than me"
and I first asked him
"cool how many hours a day do you have to spend eating right and working out for your great head of hair again"?
and then finished it with
"well when you find a restaurant that has a sign saying no shirt, no shoes, service I guess thats my place, until then no one sees my body on the average".

being fit and bald is really just being BALD and fit.

For your second statement. Have you noticed thats just the case of gender roles reassigning? No matter how much people want to deny it we always fall into gender roles where the men are usually in more dangerous positions of life. its evolutionary because it takes way less men to repopulate than women. instead of cleaning and cooking, women are now just in an office safe, warm and enclosed. Most men now are exterior. Instead of hunting and gathering we're picking up trash, working on dangerous job sites, and beating up our bodies. Its just our natural roles.
Hmm. I would love it if you wanted to see my progression and a few regression pics. I was all used up as a male at 48 and it just happened overnight and I guess finasteride/min had finally maxed out. I don't look much like that person any longer so it's hard for me to articulate--I want to be the most attractive person I can regardless of name or gender and Jane is way hotter than Will was any longer so I jumped ship from you guys. I couldn't hack maledom anymore:


This is me at 17 which is my holy grail to duplicate, hair-wise. Now, I am 56 and still fighting for my hair since 1984.
Anybody remember looking like this and just having women fall over you. Guys, too, lol. How cruel to lose something so beloved:
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But here are a couple:

This improvement is from otc menopausal creams but I was using lots and lots
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Here is where I started formal HRT so I lost hair doing that because I stopped the Biestro for a while but I have my Amazon purchase history. I have bought menopausal cream over 100 times since 2013. Jane is better than Will but he is making a comeback too.

This is formal HRT for six month so I regressed but under my clothes I was entirely female. This is before beard removal.


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Then Will reasserted himself and I mean, either way, I am cool with it. I just want to be desired. I can live as Will again if I have to. I have a very difficult family situation and extended family situation but Jane saved her alter-ego. It is much better in my novel about all of this. I will be shocked if I don't make a full recovery. I added oral min and it is just on a whole different level than topical. It's expensive being me though, very expensive but no surgery.

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I don't want to allege bad lighting but Will's hair looks much thicker in person. The part is fine but it reflects light. The temples still need to come down but I can see where the new hairline will be because hair is cropping up about 1 cm lower than my current hairline. That will reduce my male forehead happily.

On my blog, I try to be catchy and frank with a "you choose" caption:


So anybody who thinks that something is better than being bald, come with me. It has to be better than having no hair. It's all reversible except the tits, so no backing out now for me. Goddess bless all of you. I was a Norwood 7, at least an honorary member.

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You choose:

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JaneyElizabeth

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Ive always said that when people talk about being bald and fit. You know why they say bald and style is so important? because no one can see your body under your clothes. I was discussing this with my brother (AGAIN) and he said
"well you have a way better body than me"
and I first asked him
"cool how many hours a day do you have to spend eating right and working out for your great head of hair again"?
and then finished it with
"well when you find a restaurant that has a sign saying no shirt, no shoes, service I guess thats my place, until then no one sees my body on the average".

being fit and bald is really just being BALD and fit.

For your second statement. Have you noticed thats just the case of gender roles reassigning? No matter how much people want to deny it we always fall into gender roles where the men are usually in more dangerous positions of life. its evolutionary because it takes way less men to repopulate than women. instead of cleaning and cooking, women are now just in an office safe, warm and enclosed. Most men now are exterior. Instead of hunting and gathering we're picking up trash, working on dangerous job sites, and beating up our bodies. Its just our natural roles.
To your second question, I largely agree. I am struck by how small I feel now and my pretty pale skin is very sensual but thorns and brambles really cut me now. When I was on spironolactone, I really got a taste of how weak some females are. I couldn't open jars anymore. My chest is still somewhat broader than most cis-females but not by much and if I keep my arms at my side, they are D cups. They separate some when I walk or whatever so I have had to learn what that is like. It feels like protection for me from the world and they are just as great in a female context than I could have ever hoped for. Once I got past the shame, I am good at this but I had to cut through the humiliation of wanting to be female. That was gender dysphoria to the nth degree.

In my opinion, females have always run things, they just do it from behind the scenes. I would rather be a normal looking guy than an ugly woman though. My standards were really high before I came out. I was highly submissive to my ex and everything was in her name and I am a Goddess-damn lawyer! Goddess bless.:)
 

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For you younger guys, it's hard to overstate what has happened to the homosexual coalition. We all support each other but now femmes and bottoms are going transgender female, a lot of us anyway. Eh, I probably will end up with another transgender female but I prefer my ex and cis-females but better than being alone. But when I was growing up, all of this was vastly different. And I barely need sleep anymore which is probably obvious to those who follow me some.
 

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Ive always said that when people talk about being bald and fit. You know why they say bald and style is so important? because no one can see your body under your clothes. I was discussing this with my brother (AGAIN) and he said
"well you have a way better body than me"
and I first asked him
"cool how many hours a day do you have to spend eating right and working out for your great head of hair again"?
and then finished it with
"well when you find a restaurant that has a sign saying no shirt, no shoes, service I guess thats my place, until then no one sees my body on the average".

being fit and bald is really just being BALD and fit.

For your second statement. Have you noticed thats just the case of gender roles reassigning? No matter how much people want to deny it we always fall into gender roles where the men are usually in more dangerous positions of life. its evolutionary because it takes way less men to repopulate than women. instead of cleaning and cooking, women are now just in an office safe, warm and enclosed. Most men now are exterior. Instead of hunting and gathering we're picking up trash, working on dangerous job sites, and beating up our bodies. Its just our natural roles.
Look what you’ve gone and done!
 

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Ha. I won't burden your thread with tranny musings anymore but I have a lot of joy but this isn't for cis-guys unless they are maybe binary. It's a lot of work and no surgery just HRT but every single cis-female treatment out there, lol. Goddess bless.
 

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I made a quick vid giving my thoughts on OP's post:

Basically, OP has a shitty attitude which is more of a turnoff than lack of hair could ever be.
-Andy

Your video is very interesting but your experiences sounds like something from a fairy tale. Firstly, it's true that OP's attitude is more of a turn off than lack of hair. But that doesn't matter because he already loses by being bald. His attitude ends up being completely irrelevant. In your video, you gave the standard pickup mentality of not caring what the women who don't like you think and focusing on the women who are interested. For a bald guy, he'll find no women who are interested in going on dates with him so that strategy will be fruitless. The bald guys here have lived this life and are very familiar with it.

Somebody even posted on that other thread about the bald guy trying to approach on the street and getting repeatedly blown out. There's a guy who doesn't have the terrible attitude of the OP and is trying hard. Yet he's getting exactly the same result; he's getting nowhere and it's because he is bald. That's what baldness does. No chance of getting married or having a family. You can't use any pickup techniques or mentalities because nobody will want to hear them. Nothing else, such as physique or attitude matters because you already have no chance by being bald.

I wish this were an exaggeration but I really think that a lot of stuff that people post on here about baldness could be considered an understatement. Actually living through it is worse than you can expect.
 

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Your video is very interesting but your experiences sounds like something from a fairy tale. Firstly, it's true that OP's attitude is more of a turn off than lack of hair. But that doesn't matter because he already loses by being bald. His attitude ends up being completely irrelevant. In your video, you gave the standard pickup mentality of not caring what the women who don't like you think and focusing on the women who are interested. For a bald guy, he'll find no women who are interested in going on dates with him so that strategy will be fruitless. The bald guys here have lived this life and are very familiar with it.

Somebody even posted on that other thread about the bald guy trying to approach on the street and getting repeatedly blown out. There's a guy who doesn't have the terrible attitude of the OP and is trying hard. Yet he's getting exactly the same result; he's getting nowhere and it's because he is bald. That's what baldness does. No chance of getting married or having a family. You can't use any pickup techniques or mentalities because nobody will want to hear them. Nothing else, such as physique or attitude matters because you already have no chance by being bald.

I wish this were an exaggeration but I really think that a lot of stuff that people post on here about baldness could be considered an understatement. Actually living through it is worse than you can expect.
Chicks and guys hit on me now. Anything is better than being a skin head. Banking sperm is easy but being a loser is hard and I refused to be a loser any longer.
 

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Your video is very interesting but your experiences sounds like something from a fairy tale. Firstly, it's true that OP's attitude is more of a turn off than lack of hair. But that doesn't matter because he already loses by being bald. His attitude ends up being completely irrelevant. In your video, you gave the standard pickup mentality of not caring what the women who don't like you think and focusing on the women who are interested. For a bald guy, he'll find no women who are interested in going on dates with him so that strategy will be fruitless. The bald guys here have lived this life and are very familiar with it.

Somebody even posted on that other thread about the bald guy trying to approach on the street and getting repeatedly blown out. There's a guy who doesn't have the terrible attitude of the OP and is trying hard. Yet he's getting exactly the same result; he's getting nowhere and it's because he is bald. That's what baldness does. No chance of getting married or having a family. You can't use any pickup techniques or mentalities because nobody will want to hear them. Nothing else, such as physique or attitude matters because you already have no chance by being bald.

I wish this were an exaggeration but I really think that a lot of stuff that people post on here about baldness could be considered an understatement. Actually living through it is worse than you can expect.
I have a few friends with good hair and they can’t pick up chicks either. They can’t blame it on hair loss, though.
 

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Your video is very interesting but your experiences sounds like something from a fairy tale. Firstly, it's true that OP's attitude is more of a turn off than lack of hair. But that doesn't matter because he already loses by being bald. His attitude ends up being completely irrelevant. In your video, you gave the standard pickup mentality of not caring what the women who don't like you think and focusing on the women who are interested. For a bald guy, he'll find no women who are interested in going on dates with him so that strategy will be fruitless. The bald guys here have lived this life and are very familiar with it.

Somebody even posted on that other thread about the bald guy trying to approach on the street and getting repeatedly blown out. There's a guy who doesn't have the terrible attitude of the OP and is trying hard. Yet he's getting exactly the same result; he's getting nowhere and it's because he is bald. That's what baldness does. No chance of getting married or having a family. You can't use any pickup techniques or mentalities because nobody will want to hear them. Nothing else, such as physique or attitude matters because you already have no chance by being bald.

I wish this were an exaggeration but I really think that a lot of stuff that people post on here about baldness could be considered an understatement. Actually living through it is worse than you can expect.
Having a full head of hair wont make you a tera slayer who sleeps with hundreds of women. Or it probably wont make you desirable to women if you already had bad experiences with hair. However and a big HOWEVER, there will a massive change in the way you are treated in everyday life, the way you talk to people and the way people talk back to you compared to being bald, this largely depends on how you look in general but if your face isn't disgusting there is going to be a night and day difference in your social life even in areas which you thought are outside of the social sphere will have a clear and distinct benefit. And as you say most people will have to experience it for themselves, its a case by case thing.
I have a few friends with good hair and they can’t pick up chicks either. They can’t blame it on hair loss, though.
 

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Having a full head of hair wont make you a tera slayer who sleeps with hundreds of women. Or it probably wont make you desirable to women if you already had bad experiences with hair. However and a big HOWEVER, there will a massive change in the way you are treated in everyday life, the way you talk to people and the way people talk back to you compared to being bald, this largely depends on how you look in general but if your face isn't disgusting there is going to be a night and day difference in your social life even in areas which you thought are outside of the social sphere will have a clear and distinct benefit. And as you say most people will have to experience it for themselves, its a case by case thing.
You are so right about this.I am experiencing white female privilege. All the other women look at me when I pass. When I was a guy they all looked away so as not to encourage guys. Beard removal for MtF's, everybody is nicer to you because it looks like disarming your maleness. All these teenage girls were hanging around me at my favorite hang out before Covid after beard removal and coming out as Jane.
 

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You are so right about this.I am experiencing white female privilege. All the other women look at me when I pass. When I was a guy they all looked away so as not to encourage guys. Beard removal for MtF's, everybody is nicer to you because it looks like disarming your maleness. All these teenage girls were hanging around me at my favorite hang out before Covid after beard removal and coming out as Jane.
Why are woman looking at you and teenage girls hanging around you?
 

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Why are woman looking at you and teenage girls hanging around you

They are all waitresses. If you can at least come close to being attractive it just works out nicer. One waitress just kissed me one night good-night and I was like, wow. I think guys like me more though. Eh, I want my wife back. I am not giving up on that that's why I am improving everything and spending lots. How you look is almost everything cause I am already intelligent. I have always loved looking at myself in the mirror, male or female. I like looking good now even for me but I was utterly depressed and almost bald in 2017 and then shed to baldness in 2019 but I think the hair is anchored now. But I have paid my hair dues, male or female. Cheers.
 

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In my opinion, females have always run things, they just do it from behind the scenes.

my buddy and I always joke about this. Women run everything. When they dont its usually because theyre in an abusive relationship with the man and theyre terrified of being killed. That seems to be the only situation where the woman doesnt call the shots. Either by utilizing some law or sheer manipulation of pitting men against each other. trojan war (real or not) ran 10 years over a broad.
 

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I can't understand how people don't care about early onset of male pattern baldness. Nowadays you can slow it down to even a decade... with a proper treatment.
 

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My widows peak is so thin that today I felt the wind blowing my hair for the very first time in my whole life.

Would've felt great If I didn't know what that menans
 
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