Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

Derek Clapton

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Damn you're an OG I see.

How are you holding up all those years?
I hadn't even realised tbh. 2005, damn.

Long story short used fina and duta to begin with and they worked. Got subtle, insidious side effects though and stopped after about 5 years.

Have since flip-flopped between all the usual topical stuff while gradually losing the battle.

These dermaroller stories give some hopium though.
 

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I hadn't even realised tbh. 2005, damn.

Long story short used fina and duta to begin with and they worked. Got subtle, insidious side effects though and stopped after about 5 years.

Have since flip-flopped between all the usual topical stuff while gradually losing the battle.

These dermaroller stories give some hopium though.
If you already endured 5 years of DHT inhibition and stopped for a while you can always try to tritate rly slowly. Many cases of people who had to stop and came back doing 2-3x duta week or low dose finasteride per week without sides. Or try topicals. Sadly DHT inhibition is important. But if your alopecia is not super aggressive there's some hopium left with needling+minoxidil I guess
 

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Well, I'm happy to report that I'm FINALLY seeing some results. Definite thickening on the top of my head now. Thickening all around. I increased my microneedling from once / 2 weeks to once per week. It's been 2 months now, and now I'm seeing the difference. Hopefully it keeps improving.
 

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Well, I'm happy to report that I'm FINALLY seeing some results. Definite thickening on the top of my head now. Thickening all around. I increased my microneedling from once / 2 weeks to once per week. It's been 2 months now, and now I'm seeing the difference. Hopefully it keeps improving.
same, only start seeing results with consistent 1x week
 

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but Follicla tested this extensively and concluded once every 14 days is better so idk. I believe "standarized" science for every human is retarded anyway. Start your own clinical trial on yourself and be flexible to adapt is the way. Every human reacts different.
 

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but Follicla tested this extensively and concluded once every 14 days is better so idk. I believe "standarized" science for every human is retarded anyway. Start your own clinical trial on yourself and be flexible to adapt is the way. Every human reacts different.
I think it has to do with the fact that our at-home needling is not accurate at all. Follica does it accurately, so they only have to punch your scalp once every 2 weeks. We're just eyeballing it.. so to catch up to Follica's results, it has to be done a little more frequently... once per week.
 
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I think it has to do with the fact that our at-home needling is not accurate at all. Follica does it accurately, so they only have to punch your scalp once every 2 weeks. We're just eyeballing it.. so to catch up to Follica's results, it has to be done a little more frequently... once per week.
Maybe,hair growing takes place only through the healing proccess?As someone said,everyone is different.There are reports of people doing it every day and they experienced results,but they went as deep as .5mm. Others buchered their scalps, but they did it once a week and they went deeper.Maybe the time period is the sweet spot and not the depth of the wound?
 

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Yeah I guess self-needling myself with a shitty chinese pen can't be compared with the accuracy of in-clinic follicla treatments done by an agent so thats why im seeing much better results with higher frequency. Even with Follicla method every 14 days was only slightly better than 1x week though.
 

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Maybe the time period is the sweet spot and not the depth of the wound?

If only we could convince a commercial research outfit to spend years figuring out the most effective depth & timing & density . . . .
 

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That should be Follica level density if you're using the fastest setting. I use a D2 for a half hour(D2 doesn't go as fast as M8 so more time is required for the same number of needle strikes), and it leaves significant erythema and slight pinpoint bleeding. I use a depth of 1mm because I have hair in the way. After the first couple times doing this I shed like never before and soon after I had tons of regrowth. I've always suspected that the Dr Pens have trouble reaching the set depth as they have less power than the D2 yet they oscillate much faster. At those speeds I don't think it's actually penetrating to the depth that it should. At 1.5mm you might only being 1mm, so perhaps you're only now following the Follica protocol. This is why I stick with the D2 despite the relatively low speed. I know exactly how many needle strikes I'm getting and at what depth.

I don't think the time it takes to heal is a good indicator. It doesn't take long for my scalp to feel fine after these mega sessions. 24 hours or so and all the redness and pain is gone. The wound healing happens beneath the surface, week where you can't see it. Ideally you want to heal faster.
Tons of regrowth of the hair you shedded yep makes sense lol.
 

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If only we could convince a commercial research outfit to spend years figuring out the most effective depth & timing & density . . . .
But then again how about the people who are not responders to min.Would they respond to min and needling together?Thats a big question mark.
Maybe for them people is futile.
 

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Hi everyone. Trying to find out how long I should needle for but not really finding out.

I have a 1mm dermastamp ( 140 needles) I'm going over the affected area behind my left temple which has been thinning inwards for years. I'm doing about 3 or 4 passes which only take a minute or 2 but pressing quite hard. There will be small spots of blood on the stamp after and on my head but nothing serious. Scalp seems to recover within a day. Doing this once a week after shower. Judging by some posters they are doing a lot more passes on the same area when they needle, and a doing it for like 10 mins. Can anyone advise me how much to do.

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Read Follica patent and studies if you want to know exact holes per cm2 needed based on their research.

In the end most people end up with their own regime based on feelings so there isn't a definitive answer.

As long as its along these lines you are fine : "make enough wounds covering the whole affected area causing erythema and pin point bleeding at least once every 7-14x days and apply minoxidil at least 12 hours after"
 
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