I got diffuse pattern in all the scalp and I think I got the NW6 pattern. My hair looks like sh*t and they are not good to look. I don't know if dermapen can improve quality...
Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless
Besides numberman and the classical success cases of the 2013 trial... Is there anyone here that has reported regrowth with the following conditions?
1) Needling without minoxidil or finasteride
2) Old minoxidil/finasteride users who started needling years after the other treatments
If so, please let me know. It seems to me that most of the reported cases success in this thread DO NOT meet the aforementioned conditions. I am also kinda worried to see the list of non responders growing (which are sadly ignored by most users or regarded as "they are doing something wrong").
Gonna post my progress (or lack of it) with pics in a month when I get to the 6 month mark, but I honestly I think I am going to get disappointed. Still getting some new hairs at my hairline (no cosmetic significance tho) but my crown seems to be not responding or even getting worse.
Anyone got success under those conditions? Some of us could use some hope, guys.
1) Needling without minoxidil or finasteride
2) Old minoxidil/finasteride users who started needling years after the other treatments
If so, please let me know. It seems to me that most of the reported cases success in this thread DO NOT meet the aforementioned conditions. I am also kinda worried to see the list of non responders growing (which are sadly ignored by most users or regarded as "they are doing something wrong").
Gonna post my progress (or lack of it) with pics in a month when I get to the 6 month mark, but I honestly I think I am going to get disappointed. Still getting some new hairs at my hairline (no cosmetic significance tho) but my crown seems to be not responding or even getting worse.
Anyone got success under those conditions? Some of us could use some hope, guys.
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I belong to the 2nd category. Old min/finasteride user. I agree with you that those who start dermarolling along with finasteride/min get the best results because they sort of go "all-in" on the hairloss and sudden boost helps grow hair dramatically. I dermarolled for about 7-8 months without any results. But I was not dermarolling properly back then. Now I do scalp massages daily and light rolling with 1 mm roller. Then every weekend I roll hard with 1.5 mm roller.
No major progress to report but I think my hair is slowly getting thicker and new vellus hair is forming. I mean progress is not as significant as some best responders here but there is atleast some positive change. I'll continue following this regimen for atleast a year or two before giving up.
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That’s broscience man.
I’ve been slowly balding since 25 and I’m now 41 and had a hair transplant.
It’s still slowly balding. It f*****g sucks.
But I would agree that if you’re a full head at 30 you’re probably going to be okay.
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How is new vellus hair not awesome and not progress?
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My father had full head of hair at 65 and now at 73 he is norwood 3 diffuse thinning. Baldness can hit you at any age ,there is no guaranteed age you could believe.
Thanks. Have you taken before/after pics to monitor your progress?
Also, how exactly were you rolling back then? Why do you claim you were doing it wrong?
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I take pics every month
Wasn't rolling hard enough and didn't properly understand how to roll. I don't think I had even small blood spots back then
Hey guys,
I was wondering if anyone knows if it’s okay to use a 1.75mm setting, 12 needles, on the D2 for the non visible hair areas (so anywhere but hairline and temples) and if so, should I use medium or fast speed.
I have longer hair so sometimes it’s hard for me to hit my scalp good. I had a similar question earlier and someone mentioned I need to part my hair better. However, the thread conversation moves fast so I just wanted to check in again to see if this is okay.
@LowHairLine any input my man?
I was wondering if anyone knows if it’s okay to use a 1.75mm setting, 12 needles, on the D2 for the non visible hair areas (so anywhere but hairline and temples) and if so, should I use medium or fast speed.
I have longer hair so sometimes it’s hard for me to hit my scalp good. I had a similar question earlier and someone mentioned I need to part my hair better. However, the thread conversation moves fast so I just wanted to check in again to see if this is okay.
@LowHairLine any input my man?
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well actually it depends on the pattern. diffuse thinning can f*** you up anytime and according to studies there may be external factors that enter in this type of pattern and trigger inflammation ... it's obviously the worst case scenario when you have an AAG because you can see what pattern you wil have in a very short period of time. On the other side(the receiding pattern) if you start receiding late, chances are you won't end up with the highest norwood. that's statistical and physiological.
Probably not enough time to recover, too much needling. Don't panic, it will regrowth
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Probably not enough time to recover, too much needling. Don't panic, it will regrowth
Thanks dude, like once a week, but i went pretty hard, lots of blood. I wish I hadn't bothered now, I'm praying this comes back or I've fucked up really bad. I'm 90% sure the needling is the cause as I didn't really bother with my left temple as it's basically a zero, so focused a lot on the right and thats the one that seems way worse
Seems like evidence that its good to start with a moderate needling regimen..and increase intensity slowly to find peak response..
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Awesome results in just 3 months. Definite improvement. Would love to see your results after 6 months to a year.
I fit the criteria. Used minoxidil for 7 year after i had gotten propecia sides. Then started needling and its doing good things.
I wouldn't panic, but if your needling hard i would give it more time. When is started needling hard a month ago i was doing it every week and i felt it wasn't enough recovery time. For example, when i needled normally i would get peeling 5 days after. Needling with more intensity i get flaking-8 days after. Needling every 10-14 days works better when using more intensity. At least in my opinion. Every scalp is different though. You could try to vary things a bit.
Or why not try needling hard once a month. See if that helps.
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@Mr.Sprinkles79 - That looks like some positive progress! You can see more color in the hairs on the top of your head. There is less vibrant white scalp shining through in your 3 month photos. Slight - but change in the right direction.
Very interesting experience with your scalp/galea tightness as well. Balding seems to be a mutli-faceted problem for sure. Some people may only suffer a single primary cause - but if scalp tension is a possible influence (whether minor in some, or major in others) ... it is worth paying attention to. Based on what you are observing, it could be a big influence.
Very interesting experience with your scalp/galea tightness as well. Balding seems to be a mutli-faceted problem for sure. Some people may only suffer a single primary cause - but if scalp tension is a possible influence (whether minor in some, or major in others) ... it is worth paying attention to. Based on what you are observing, it could be a big influence.
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DISCLAIMER - the following recommendations are NOT proven facts, but rather my guestimates based on the available data and my (limited) experience. Make your own informed decision.
I personally believe harder wounding / longer healing is better bcs:
- I suspect the main reason for lack of results in the past trials was too light wounding due to infection fear / un-bearable pain with rollers (which hurt much more than D2);
- heavy wounders got better / faster results on average than light wounders;
- Follica is considering depths up to 5mm (!);
That being said, we have no study comparing various intensities or forum consensus yet as to what is the correct needling intensity.
RECOMMENDATION
- the wounding on your pics does NOT seem too much:
I wound harder, but leave enough time for healing;
- consider wounding your temple vellus on the pic below as well to try promoting it to terminal;
- after the session, flush the scalp with plenty of water to remove blood spots;
Where needling through hair, the depth is reduced by the hair thickness:
to achieve the same depth as in bald areas, you have to increase depth.
Hard numbers depend on too many factors such as:
- hair type (length, thickness, density),
- combing pattern, etc.
RECOMMENDATION
Aiming for redness? blood spots?
- set the depth that brings you to your goal;
- keep the hair wet to reduce overall thickness;
Any speed will do:
it's just that lower speeds will require more time to achieve the same result (i.e. intensity / hole count):
FASTER SPEED = shorter session, but more pain;
SLOWER SPEED = longer session, but less pain;
RECOMMENDATION
- use the fastest speed where you can bear the pain;
- if you find yourself backing off, reduce speed;
It's not necessary part your hair for every pass and derimnate only on the part:
you can easily derimate through the hair if you make sure your passes are parallel to the hair direction.
RECOMMENDATION
- make sure your hair is wet for easier combing;
- comb parallel to the intended derminating passes (i.e. horizontal, vertical etc.)
- check out the very informative @74775446 video in the FAQ thread:
DISCLAIMER - the following recommendations are NOT proven facts, but rather my guestimates based on the available data and my (limited) experience. Make your own informed decision.
NEEDLING INTENSITY
I personally believe harder wounding / longer healing is better bcs:
- I suspect the main reason for lack of results in the past trials was too light wounding due to infection fear / un-bearable pain with rollers (which hurt much more than D2);
- heavy wounders got better / faster results on average than light wounders;
- Follica is considering depths up to 5mm (!);
That being said, we have no study comparing various intensities or forum consensus yet as to what is the correct needling intensity.
RECOMMENDATION
- the wounding on your pics does NOT seem too much:
I wound harder, but leave enough time for healing;
- consider wounding your temple vellus on the pic below as well to try promoting it to terminal;
- after the session, flush the scalp with plenty of water to remove blood spots;
D2 DEPTH THROUGH HAIR
Where needling through hair, the depth is reduced by the hair thickness:
to achieve the same depth as in bald areas, you have to increase depth.
Hard numbers depend on too many factors such as:
- hair type (length, thickness, density),
- combing pattern, etc.
RECOMMENDATION
Aiming for redness? blood spots?
- set the depth that brings you to your goal;
- keep the hair wet to reduce overall thickness;
D2 SPEED
Any speed will do:
it's just that lower speeds will require more time to achieve the same result (i.e. intensity / hole count):
FASTER SPEED = shorter session, but more pain;
SLOWER SPEED = longer session, but less pain;
RECOMMENDATION
- use the fastest speed where you can bear the pain;
- if you find yourself backing off, reduce speed;
HAIR PARTING
It's not necessary part your hair for every pass and derimnate only on the part:
you can easily derimate through the hair if you make sure your passes are parallel to the hair direction.
RECOMMENDATION
- make sure your hair is wet for easier combing;
- comb parallel to the intended derminating passes (i.e. horizontal, vertical etc.)
- check out the very informative @74775446 video in the FAQ thread:
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Would you continue to needle or not, cos I really don't want to make things worse, which i feel like i have done. I'm scared to f*** it up more