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Ultimate Stack To Deal With Finasteride Side Effects

Discussion in 'Antiandrogens - Propecia, Dutasteride, etc.' started by Athlete1987, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. Athlete1987

    Athlete1987 Established Member My Regimen

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    This is a recurring issue I’ve noticed so thought some people might benefit from this post.

    Sex Drive - For me the biggest downside of a hairloss prevention regime is the negative effects on both libido and sexual performance.

    This is likely related to two aspects, the reduction in DHT levels, a potent male androgen which plays a crucial role in libido as well as other masculine traits.

    Strength/Body Composition - While not too useful for anabolism compared to other androgens, DHT also helps strength and by reducing it with finasteride or dutasteride you’re going to be putting yourself at a disadvantage when it comes to improving body composition and strength (dht is also great for cutting you up).

    The second aspect linked to sex drive decline is a possible negative effect on dopamine levels. I’m not sure on how finasteride effects this but IME dopamine is more crucial than testosterone levels and DHT levels in the maintenance of a high libido.

    Gyno/Estrogen Increases - Using finasteride increases estrogen. While positive for skin tone and texture this is bad on multiple levels leading users to become more likely to get fat and, worse, be prone to man boobs.

    Focus/CNS Efficiency - A common complaint is users feel less focused and some will get brain fog on finasteride. This is likely due to lower levels of DHT.

    Options to fix issues caused by Finasteride

    Now I come to some solutions that you may consider.

    ED Drugs - Viagra, Cialis etc will help with improving sexual performance but they are very much mechanical drugs, they won’t do anything to improve libido or address other aspects of finasteride mediated dysfunction.

    Libido Enhancers - While it might be nice to use something like testosterone, this is obviously contraindicated if you are tackling hair loss. Unfortunately any steroid which increases libido is likely to have a harsh effect on hairlines so we need a different solution.

    The Natural Option for Libido - Use an AI based around suppressing estrogen, I like this product a lot:

    https://www.predatornutrition.com/estrogen-blockers/hydrapharm/alchemy.html

    The key ingredient here is a highly potent flavan which suppresses estrogen and produces a rise in testosterone. I was sceptical but this works well and user feedback seems to back this up as a consistent effect. There is also a product called Virtus with the same ingredient but it’s a liquid product so not ideal IMO.

    I wouldn’t bother with traditional testosterone boosters like Maca, longjack etc as they aren’t as potent and also wont help suppress estrogen which we want when using finasteride.

    To recap: Alchemy or similar can lower estrogen, increase testosterone and help lower risk of gyno. The above should have a positive effect on libido as well.

    The Stronger Options for Libido - I’ve not discussed dopamine yet and unfortunately no AI or test booster will help here.

    What I’ve found works, and can not only restore libido but increase it higher than ever is the use of a dopaminergic such as Cabaser or Parlodel. I’d favour the former as the latter can cause some unwanted transient nausea likely linked to lowering blood glucose.

    These two drugs came to my attention when I was looking to cut up for a football season and get to sub-6% bf (played rush linebacker spot in college).

    When you diet your body fights you every step of the way by increasing cortisol, lowering test levels, GH levels etc and the way these drugs work is they effectively act as a leptin mimetic and trick your body into keeping hormones at an optimised level (IOW, fools your body into thinking you’re not as lean as you are and so doesn’t cause hormones to crash when dieting).

    For our purposes though, where these drugs really shine is their ability to massively increase libido, and reduce refraction rate AND enhance sexual enjoyment hugely. IOW, you’ll want more sex more often, will be able to cum more than once and enjoy it more all at the same time.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1949087.stm

    As a bonus, both of these drugs can also help combat gyno caused by prolactin.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=825325

    From my experience using these, I had some gyno at the time and it definitely helped reduce it while also having the other benefits I’ve described.

    Even more estrogen control - If you’re not taking a natural AI like alchemy then you could consider a drug like aromasin which i think is superior to other drug AI’s with less side effects.

    Combating Mental Fog - This is the last major side effect to deal with. There are a ton of options with stimulants but personally I’d avoid these and instead elect to use a nootropic.

    From experimenting with different ones i think the best options are a drug called selegiline or a supplement called 9-MBC. Both of these will elevate dopamine which means as well as improving focus you will also see a rise in dopamine levels. Here is an example of some feedback on the latter:

    http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/98742-libido-too-high-on-9-mbc/#entry836716

    So, there you have it. This is how I think the side effects of finasteride can be dealt with and this is something I’d suggest anyone worried about finasteride consider rather than ditching the finasteride entirely.
     
  2. MrPortugal

    MrPortugal Established Member My Regimen

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    If you have sides from finasteride just STOP take this
     
  3. Endmymisery

    Endmymisery Experienced Member My Regimen

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    How much estrogen will be suppressed with alchemy, won't suppressing too much also lead to some side effects
     
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    Informative post. What regimen would you use for Cabaser or Parlodel, would you use these in the same dose/way that they are used in normal therapy?
     
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    Your body is giving you a warning sign and you are looking for different rugs to hide the sign underneath.
     
  6. Athlete1987

    Athlete1987 Established Member My Regimen

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    Not so much as to notice sides ime.

    INT - Conversely, you could argue hairloss is something your body is telling you and you shouldn’t fight that.

    The thing is, the strategies I have mentioned work, and work without dissipating the benefits of finasteride. What’s not to like?

    Winston - I’d suggest 0.5mg of cabaser twice a week myself and work from there. Parlodel, ime is not as great but if you went that route I’d try 2.5mg every morning.
     
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    Endmymisery Experienced Member My Regimen

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    What if I only take the alchemy product with no other products mentioned such as cabar? Would that still lead to no side effects?
     
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    Athlete1987 Established Member My Regimen

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    I think based on my experience plus the feedback I’ve seen on that then you definitely won’t see any sides.
     
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    I think the issue is that even when you do stop taking it, the symptoms for some, persist
     
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    ElTioLaBota Established Member My Regimen

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    Any advice for having it easier to orgasm? Since i started finasteride it takes me hours to cum
     
  11. Athlete1987

    Athlete1987 Established Member My Regimen

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    It’s in my initial post but I think from the list of options these would help most in order of potency:

    Cabaser>Selegiline>9-MBC/Alchemy

    Cabaser is incredibly powerful as a way to maximise sexual potency, given it also controls Gyno it is close to a one-stop solution to finasteride sides.
     
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    Athlete- Noted on the dosage, how long would it take to work btw?

    Also your BBC reference to cabergoline is fairly old, do you have any recent links..or better any actual studies to do with sexual performance? This is what I'd be using it for as I do have a low libido generally, even when I'm not on finasteride. Multiple powerful organisms sounds amazing and would help remove that pitiful regretful look on my wife's face :)

    Also I've looked around, cabaser looks expensive as hell, can you get it cheap anywhere or is it generic? Sorry for all the questions!
     
  13. Athlete1987

    Athlete1987 Established Member My Regimen

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    In my experience you can feel it working in around a week but this is dose dependent (I couldn’t say I noticed any sides dosing at 0.5mg twice daily but a faster ramp up would surely mean faster results):

    Here’s some more info on it:

    https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/cabergoline-sex-drive-woo!-45020.html

    https://drugs-forum.com/threads/dostinex-cabergoline-as-a-powerfull-afrodisiac.7049/

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/2/621/2840765

    If you’re convinced after that here is somewhere stocking pharma grade cabergoline (avoid any dodgy research chemical sites selling it, you don’t wanna mess around with potential fakes etc):

    https://www.evopharmacy.com/pd-neurological-disease-cabaser-cabergoline.cfm

    It’s not cheap but at a dose of 1mg a week, it lasts a long time.
     
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    'Not cheap' is an understatement!..better bloody work because I've just ordered it from that site, need a second mortgage now. Also purchased a snorkel for my wife...in several weeks she'll be drowning in jizz.

    p.s your second link doesn't work
     
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    michel sapin Senior Member My Regimen

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    taking an Ai or SERM with fina might cause hair thinning ?
     
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    Do you know if they sell those in the U.S.?
     
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    kj6723 Senior Member My Regimen

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    Man I would not start stacking extra drugs as a preemptive without even knowing if you'll need them. That's the worry with this post as most people here are hypochondriacs
     
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  19. Athlete1987

    Athlete1987 Established Member My Regimen

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    “taking an Ai or SERM with fina might cause hair thinning ?”

    I’ve never heard of any man complaining about hair loss from AI’s or SERM’s. You have to remember that these are used by millions of bodybuilders post cycle and even those guys (who aren’t taking finasteride) are complaining about hair loss from them (as opposed to from their use of steroids).

    Procar 2017 - Yeah they do ship to the states.

    kJ - I’m not saying to use them without regard to personal experience. However, I am saying that my own personal experience shows they allowed me to get back on finasteride without the awful sides (tendency to gyno, bloat, impaired libido and orgasms etc). A glance on these forums show this is hardly unique to me.
     
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    Is a prescription needed for Cabasar? Also, would you still need testosterone/DHT supplements as well?
     

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