Tinder 10/10 Male Experiment

[swingline747]

Interesting - agree in part.. What would you do after you got laid? Ghost them? With aps like Tinder it's really nor hard to get laid as a guy or girl - whether a 10 or 3. Depends what you're looking for.
Women are at a disadvantage on hook ups to an extent, because it's a lot harder for a woman to orgasm with a one nighter than a man. Most young guys who have not had relationships, gained their education on female organisms from p*rn. Women can't orgasm through penetration alone... that fact seems to illude men who think that a bit of a fast rub will do it, and the rest is all penetration.
I guess that is why I look at this dude on tinder and it is a complete turn off. Inexperienced kid who treats women like sex trash.

This was before tinder and that kind of stuff, well before. I used to have to meet women the old fashioned way. Know what, that way STILL works best to. I never ghosted anyone but I never gave them the feeling I was interested in more. Sometimes it was fine, many times they claim theyre fine with the arrangement but then disappear because I never went further so shame on them. Most of the time I was just good being their friend. It also helped I was a REALLY good looking guy. Not some super chad, but good looking and charming enough that more than enough women pursued me over vice versa. Thats probably why I never bothered to chase after super hot girls. Honestly I also liked giving the under dog a shot. Once I went out with a girl I was good friends with for a long time. She wasnt a popular girl in high school so while we were out she saw some of the "pretty girls" in the coffee shop we were in and they walked up to say hi. They werent mean or anything, fairly pleasant and just catching up on what she had been doing since after graduation but you could tell the situation. It was nice when you could see the jealousy on their faces that she was with someone like me. I even made a mention to one of my bands shows coming up so they could think she was dating a musician as well. Now that I think about it (and rethink back to this story), that backfired on me because I think she wanted that "high" and started pushing towards something and we got into an argument over something else some time later and never talked again. We never slept together, she was a virgin and I had zero interest in even remotely trying to take that. I always say, I never want to be a girls #1, I want to be #2..... by #2 they have a better idea of what to expect in sex and they usually never remember #1 fondly. #2 guy gets a bit of leeway on it all. I used to tease her to lose it, that way we might finally be able to get it over with.

I also think your are a bit jaded and misguided on female orgasms. Stop reading female magazines and just try to actually have sex with a woman. They are as visual as we are, if they find you attractive and youre not a complete mental/sexual dud they will orgasm. A little foreplay and some mildly aggressive sex and they will organism just like you. Ive had plenty of women compliment my bed habits, its probably why most of them end up wanting a relationship but in the end they dont realize once youre a couple the sex isnt going to be like it is during a spontaneous hookup.
I learned QUITE a bit from p**rn, but like ANY sane person you realize its not real life and you have to use your own common sense to cherry pick what an actual woman will like.

 

[Cate]

This was before tinder and that kind of stuff, well before. I used to have to meet women the old fashioned way. Know what, that way STILL works best to. I never ghosted anyone but I never gave them the feeling I was interested in more. Sometimes it was fine, many times they claim theyre fine with the arrangement but then disappear because I never went further so shame on them. Most of the time I was just good being their friend. It also helped I was a REALLY good looking guy. Not some super chad, but good looking and charming enough that more than enough women pursued me over vice versa. Thats probably why I never bothered to chase after super hot girls. Honestly I also liked giving the under dog a shot. Once I went out with a girl I was good friends with for a long time. She wasnt a popular girl in high school so while we were out she saw some of the "pretty girls" in the coffee shop we were in and they walked up to say hi. They werent mean or anything, fairly pleasant and just catching up on what she had been doing since after graduation but you could tell the situation. It was nice when you could see the jealousy on their faces that she was with someone like me. I even made a mention to one of my bands shows coming up so they could think she was dating a musician as well. Now that I think about it (and rethink back to this story), that backfired on me because I think she wanted that "high" and started pushing towards something and we got into an argument over something else some time later and never talked again. We never slept together, she was a virgin and I had zero interest in even remotely trying to take that. I always say, I never want to be a girls #1, I want to be #2..... by #2 they have a better idea of what to expect in sex and they usually never remember #1 fondly. #2 guy gets a bit of leeway on it all. I used to tease her to lose it, that way we might finally be able to get it over with.

I also think your are a bit jaded and misguided on female orgasms. Stop reading female magazines and just try to actually have sex with a woman. They are as visual as we are, if they find you attractive and youre not a complete mental/sexual dud they will orgasm. A little foreplay and some mildly aggressive sex and they will organism just like you. Ive had plenty of women compliment my bed habits, its probably why most of them end up wanting a relationship but in the end they dont realize once youre a couple the sex isnt going to be like it is during a spontaneous hookup.
I learned QUITE a bit from p*rn, but like ANY sane person you realize its not real life and you have to use your own common sense to cherry pick what an actual woman will like.

Ummm stop reading female mags and try and have sex with a woman ? I am a woman. And I am telling you now, that a woman cannot orgasm from penetration alone. You will become a much better lover if you can accept that fact. You'll instantly elevate yourself to a rare status.

Sure we enjoy Sex - it is pleasurable, but we cannot come from penetration - v v v rare. We have nothing inside that makes us orgasm.. it's all on the outside..

That doesn’t mean we think you are bad in bed if we do not orgasm or that we don’t want a relationship - some will fake orgasms in the early stages to make you feel good - and the sex IS good, penetration is VERY pleasurable... but unless the guy spends a lot of time on oral or foreplay with the clit, 99.99999% of women will not orgasm. The only time most reach orgasm with a man is through oral or sometimes if on top and the clit is stimulated at the same time.

All the p**rn films where women are screaming as a guy pumps in and out with zero stimulation of the clit? Fake orgasms - we cannot orgasm through penetration alone. If you doubt me, ask a trusted female friend how she masturbates.. guaranteed, she will rarely penetrate.. it will all be focused on stimulating the outside, and it won't happen in two mins.. or from anything aggressive or hard.. ...it takes time for most.. (not a quick 2 mins)

Which brings me to your comment "A little foreplay and some mildly aggressive sex and they will organism just like you. " not really.. rarely... if at all....

As for being as visual as men... again.. my experience on dating apps over the years... men who cannot wait to send a "dick pic". it's possibly one of the most unattractive parts of a man.. ok maybe a bit harsh.. sure we get turned on at the thought of sex.. and a guy with a hard on... and we enjoy oral and giving pleasure... but we're not as visual as men.. we don't get turned on by images as men do.. hence why men dominated the p**rn mag industry...and HENCE why I am stressing that we are not as focused on hair as you guys are!

 

[swingline747]

Ummm stop reading female mags and try and have sex with a woman ? I am a woman. And I am telling you now, that a woman cannot orgasm from penetration alone. You will become a much better lover if you can accept that fact. You'll instantly elevate yourself to a rare status.

Sure we enjoy Sex - it is pleasurable, but we cannot come from penetration - v v v rare. We have nothing inside that makes us orgasm.. it's all on the outside..

That doesn’t mean we think you are bad in bed if we do not orgasm or that we don’t want a relationship - some will fake orgasms in the early stages to make you feel good - and the sex IS good, penetration is VERY pleasurable... but unless the guy spends a lot of time on oral or foreplay with the clit, 99.99999% of women will not orgasm. The only time most reach orgasm with a man is through oral or sometimes if on top and the clit is stimulated at the same time.

All the p*rn films where women are screaming as a guy pumps in and out with zero stimulation of the clit? Fake orgasms - we cannot orgasm through penetration alone. If you doubt me, ask a trusted female friend how she masturbates.. guaranteed, she will rarely penetrate.. it will all be focused on stimulating the outside, and it won't happen in two mins.. or from anything aggressive or hard.. ...it takes time for most.. (not a quick 2 mins)

Which brings me to your comment "A little foreplay and some mildly aggressive sex and they will organism just like you. " not really.. rarely... if at all....

As for being as visual as men... again.. my experience on dating apps over the years... men who cannot wait to send a "dick pic". it's possibly one of the most unattractive parts of a man.. ok maybe a bit harsh.. sure we get turned on at the thought of sex.. and a guy with a hard on... and we enjoy oral and giving pleasure... but we're not as visual as men.. we don't get turned on by images as men do.. hence why men dominated the p*rn mag industry...and HENCE why I am stressing that we are not as focused on hair as you guys are!

Im not saying women are visual as in they want to see a penis, the penis is a floppy weird looking piece of skin, I dont personally find the vagina to be a very attractive place to just stare at lol. Im saying women are visual in the sense they get turned on by an attractive man just like a guy will with a hot woman. A nice body and face on a guy is just as valuable to a girl and her ability to be turned on and orgasm. Women get horny, and they can get just as horny from visuals as a guy can. Im very well aware of how the body is also set up. Im not going into how I perform sexually with a girl (the actual acts and positions) but Im aware we as men have, mouths and fingers which can all be utilized during all different positions of sex. Im very fine with letting a female take control during as well, I would hope they would know what they like and work that out. I dont think I would have had many of the "repeat customers" in my past if I didnt have at least half an idea what I was doing.
Also Ive never sent a dick pic and never would, to much to actually lose down the line on that.

Im also not saying to follow p**rn where guys are just pounding away, thats not personally my styles either but there are plenty of pornos where the guys are using their other body parts. There is plenty that you can learn. Saying there is "nothing" would be a complete lie. Again my comment said "use common sense". p**rn introduced me into lots of things, IE introducing toys, talking dirty, being more controlling during, just all out being more comfortable. No one is saying take her face and force her on her knees for a money shot (well not the first time anyway..... JOKE, it was a joke).

For the final sentence, women are just as focused on male looks as a guy is on a woman, hair 9 times out of 10 will make a guy look more attractive, sometimes it can make or break. If the hair is not there and the guy is not attractive due to it, then yes the woman is by proxy focused on the hair as part of the whole. theres plenty of times where a guy can be handsome, and have a great body but the hairloss is to much and women just wont be interested and PLEASE dont start throwing Statham, the rock and willis at me. I work on averages and on average bald men are less attractive, its been proven.

Just to come back and say one more thing, please send me something that states NO WOMAN can orgasm from penetration alone..... Id like to see that. I truly find your 99.99999999 number a bit exaggerated whether youre a woman or not

 

[Cate]

Im not saying women are visual as in they want to see a penis, the penis is a floppy weird looking piece of skin, I dont personally find the vagina to be a very attractive place to just stare at lol. Im saying women are visual in the sense they get turned on by an attractive man just like a guy will with a hot woman. A nice body and face on a guy is just as valuable to a girl and her ability to be turned on and orgasm. Women get horny, and they can get just as horny from visuals as a guy can. Im very well aware of how the body is also set up. Im not going into how I perform sexually with a girl (the actual acts and positions) but Im aware we as men have, mouths and fingers which can all be utilized during all different positions of sex. Im very fine with letting a female take control during as well, I would hope they would know what they like and work that out. I dont think I would have had many of the "repeat customers" in my past if I didnt have at least half an idea what I was doing.
Also Ive never sent a dick pic and never would, to much to actually lose down the line on that.

Im also not saying to follow p*rn where guys are just pounding away, thats not personally my styles either but there are plenty of pornos where the guys are using their other body parts. There is plenty that you can learn. Saying there is "nothing" would be a complete lie. Again my comment said "use common sense". p*rn introduced me into lots of things, IE introducing toys, talking dirty, being more controlling during, just all out being more comfortable. No one is saying take her face and force her on her knees for a money shot (well not the first time anyway..... JOKE, it was a joke).

For the final sentence, women are just as focused on male looks as a guy is on a woman, hair 9 times out of 10 will make a guy look more attractive, sometimes it can make or break. If the hair is not there and the guy is not attractive due to it, then yes the woman is by proxy focused on the hair as part of the whole. theres plenty of times where a guy can be handsome, and have a great body but the hairloss is to much and women just wont be interested and PLEASE dont start throwing Statham, the rock and willis at me. I work on averages and on average bald men are less attractive, its been proven.

Just to come back and say one more thing, please send me something that states NO WOMAN can orgasm from penetration alone..... Id like to see that. I truly find your 99.99999999 number a bit exaggerated whether youre a woman or not

It's totally true re women.. we can't. I We cant orgasm with just penetration.. really.. that is why the most popular vibrator is a small bullet.. hence why we say size doesn't matter.. it's a turn on... but makes no difference to the act.. I promise you.. sincerely.. as a woman with a lot of female friends, we do not c*m from penetration alone..otherwise inserting a tampon would be a whole other experience.. and having a baby.. wow!!! I have never met a woman that can.. the clit is too far from the hole so to speak.. it is only possible if there is some contact with the clit... or vibration that affects the clit.. If you are with a woman and she is screaming whilst you are penetrating her, she may be having pleasure..it IS pleasurable.. really.. pleasurable.. but it won't make her orgasm. Trust me on this..

And truly truly.. we are not as visual as men.. we appreciate a good looking man.. it is a turn on.. but hair doesn't matter as much as you think.. it's more the physique and energy he exudes.. obviously I'm not talking a comb over that is not attractive.. but I don't mind if men have hair or not.. I date many bald men and never even think about it.. and NEVER find myself thinking "I wish he had hair".

Anyway - if you take anything from this.. use the first para.. we CANNOT orgasm from penetration alone .. do some research.. google women's stories online (do not read anything written by a man!) I have often wish it was as easy for a woman to c*m as it is a man.. it isn't.. we need time and a lot of manipulation.. women c*m from foreplay, men from penetration (unless given oral or a hand job etc)

 

[Joan]

Ummm stop reading female mags and try and have sex with a woman ? I am a woman. And I am telling you now, that a woman cannot orgasm from penetration alone. You will become a much better lover if you can accept that fact. You'll instantly elevate yourself to a rare status.

Sure we enjoy Sex - it is pleasurable, but we cannot come from penetration - v v v rare. We have nothing inside that makes us orgasm.. it's all on the outside..

That doesn’t mean we think you are bad in bed if we do not orgasm or that we don’t want a relationship - some will fake orgasms in the early stages to make you feel good - and the sex IS good, penetration is VERY pleasurable... but unless the guy spends a lot of time on oral or foreplay with the clit, 99.99999% of women will not orgasm. The only time most reach orgasm with a man is through oral or sometimes if on top and the clit is stimulated at the same time.

All the p*rn films where women are screaming as a guy pumps in and out with zero stimulation of the clit? Fake orgasms - we cannot orgasm through penetration alone. If you doubt me, ask a trusted female friend how she masturbates.. guaranteed, she will rarely penetrate.. it will all be focused on stimulating the outside, and it won't happen in two mins.. or from anything aggressive or hard.. ...it takes time for most.. (not a quick 2 mins)

Which brings me to your comment "A little foreplay and some mildly aggressive sex and they will organism just like you. " not really.. rarely... if at all....

As for being as visual as men... again.. my experience on dating apps over the years... men who cannot wait to send a "dick pic". it's possibly one of the most unattractive parts of a man.. ok maybe a bit harsh.. sure we get turned on at the thought of sex.. and a guy with a hard on... and we enjoy oral and giving pleasure... but we're not as visual as men.. we don't get turned on by images as men do.. hence why men dominated the p*rn mag industry...and HENCE why I am stressing that we are not as focused on hair as you guys are!

Well said, and I'm the same--no orgasm for me without clitoral stimulation. "A penis is one of the most unattractive parts of a man," though? I don't feel that way, but I'm curious: What do you think the other unattractive parts are?

 

[Joan]

It's totally true re women.. we can't. I We cant orgasm with just penetration.. really.. that is why the most popular vibrator is a small bullet.. hence why we say size doesn't matter.. it's a turn on... but makes no difference to the act.. I promise you.. sincerely.. as a woman with a lot of female friends, we do not c*m from penetration alone..otherwise inserting a tampon would be a whole other experience.. and having a baby.. wow!!! I have never met a woman that can.. the clit is too far from the hole so to speak.. it is only possible if there is some contact with the clit... or vibration that affects the clit.. If you are with a woman and she is screaming whilst you are penetrating her, she may be having pleasure..it IS pleasurable.. really.. pleasurable.. but it won't make her orgasm. Trust me on this..

And truly truly.. we are not as visual as men.. we appreciate a good looking man.. it is a turn on.. but hair doesn't matter as much as you think.. it's more the physique and energy he exudes.. obviously I'm not talking a comb over that is not attractive.. but I don't mind if men have hair or not.. I date many bald men and never even think about it.. and NEVER find myself thinking "I wish he had hair".

Anyway - if you take anything from this.. use the first para.. we CANNOT orgasm from penetration alone .. do some research.. google women's stories online (do not read anything written by a man!) I have often wish it was as easy for a woman to c*m as it is a man.. it isn't.. we need time and a lot of manipulation.. women c*m from foreplay, men from penetration (unless given oral or a hand job etc)

How about from G spot stimulation? I do think we're in the majority, but I don't think it's true for all women.

 

[swingline747]

It's totally true re women.. we can't. I We cant orgasm with just penetration.. really.. that is why the most popular vibrator is a small bullet.. hence why we say size doesn't matter.. it's a turn on... but makes no difference to the act.. I promise you.. sincerely.. as a woman with a lot of female friends, we do not c*m from penetration alone..otherwise inserting a tampon would be a whole other experience.. and having a baby.. wow!!! I have never met a woman that can.. the clit is too far from the hole so to speak.. it is only possible if there is some contact with the clit... or vibration that affects the clit.. If you are with a woman and she is screaming whilst you are penetrating her, she may be having pleasure..it IS pleasurable.. really.. pleasurable.. but it won't make her orgasm. Trust me on this..

And truly truly.. we are not as visual as men.. we appreciate a good looking man.. it is a turn on.. but hair doesn't matter as much as you think.. it's more the physique and energy he exudes.. obviously I'm not talking a comb over that is not attractive.. but I don't mind if men have hair or not.. I date many bald men and never even think about it.. and NEVER find myself thinking "I wish he had hair".

Anyway - if you take anything from this.. use the first para.. we CANNOT orgasm from penetration alone .. do some research.. google women's stories online (do not read anything written by a man!) I have often wish it was as easy for a woman to c*m as it is a man.. it isn't.. we need time and a lot of manipulation.. women c*m from foreplay, men from penetration (unless given oral or a hand job etc)

Well since you're not going to listen to me just to try and prove something here

https://www.abc.net.au/health/features/stories/2014/10/28/4116350.htm

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/articl...of-female-pleasure-still-needs-more-attention

Whether it's less, more, or equal, it happens

I'll stick with when I'm penetrating and toes curl, her vagina swells, legs shake and get wet, and face and chest get flushed red plus they tell me then I'd say it happens. But well agree to disagree on this.

 

[Cate]

How about from G spot stimulation? I do think we're in the majority, but I don't think it's true for all women.

Sure.. but the G Spot is the clit (Basically where the lips meet at the front of the vagina.. that's where we need to touch if we want to come.. hence why vibrators are small...)

 

[Cate]

Well since you're not going to listen to me just to try and prove something here

https://www.abc.net.au/health/features/stories/2014/10/28/4116350.htm

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/articl...of-female-pleasure-still-needs-more-attention

Whether it's less, more, or equal, it happens

I'll stick with when I'm penetrating and toes curl, her vagina swells, legs shake and get wet, and face and chest get flushed red plus they tell me then I'd say it happens. But well agree to disagree on this.

"Whether it's less, more, or equal, it happens" . LOL rarely rarely rarely.... I'm a woman mate, I know how our bodies work!!

OK let's try this again. I can c*m without touching.. usually during an erotic dream whilst asleep.. but it is a little like me saying to you (if you were a gay guy) that a*** sex will make you ejaculate.. it won't right..?!! You may enjoy it but... the thing that makes you ejaculate is manipulation of your penis ..!!! . Rarely do you c*m without that manipulation right? It's not impossible.. because men have wet dreams.. and some prematurely ejaculate without penetration...but most men, lie back, think of England, and can control themselves for a good 15 mins (;-) )

Cosmopolitan - most popular female mag:

"You very rarely hear women say they can achieve orgasm just from penetration, but like the Loch Ness Monster, the legend sticks around just enough to make those who are more clitorally oriented wonder if it's worth working toward. In fact, some experts say 70 percent of women rarely or never have orgasms. And yet men put a premium on it for a few obvious reasons: (1) p**rn and (2) they want to feel like their penis is a sexual hot-rod that will make you speak in tongues and throw your vibrator in a volcano.

So how, if it's even possible for mere mortals, can we have a vaginal orgasm? Ian Kerner, the author of She Comes First: The Thinking Man's Guide to Pleasuring a Woman, says that if you interpret "vaginal orgasm" as achieving orgasm from penetration alone, it's pretty damn rare. "Vaginal orgasms don't happen without some kind of clit stimulation. They can be enhanced with the G-spot, which provides a different sensation, and clitoral orgasm during penetration can give you the feeling of vaginal orgasm."

Pretty damn rare!!!! Like your penis, our CLIT needs to be stimulated to orgasm... the clit is the female penis if you like.. if it helps to think of it like that... please trust me on this one.. IF a woman's clit is close to her hole, then maybe she can c*m from penetration, but as the extract above says.. it's pretty damn rare!!! RARE RARE... not heard of in most women.. we cannot c*m from penetration in most circumstances!!

It should be SO obvious.. but no. why? Because of p**rn.. which also teaches that woman's vaginas all look the same.. lips all neatly tucked away... that is rare too... just as many men have a bent or not a straight penis.. or not super hard..

Anyway.. I'll say it again.. every woman comes differently because our clit cam be hard to find.. but it is not by the hole you penetrate. it is at the front of the vagina and needs stimulation. NOW.. if you penetrate and also rub it at the same time (gently..), your woman will be very happy... if you give oral..the same.. it's the clit.. we ALL masturbate by manipulating the clit.. rarely do we bother with penetration, and never do we masturbate JUST penetrating without stimulating the clit..

It's such hard work to teach most men on hook up to have the patience to assist us to c*m we don't bother, we enjoy the experience, and masturbate when he has gone home\.. perhaps faking on the way to make him feel good (because we like him perhaps).. I cannot count how many orgasms I have faked... but I can count how many times I have orgasmed with a man during sex.. and it is less than fingers on one hand (and only when he stimulated my clit). Similar experience to many of my GFs...

"

 

[Joan]

Sure.. but the G Spot is the clit (Basically where the lips meet at the front of the vagina.. that's where we need to touch if we want to come.. hence why vibrators are small...)

https://www.healthline.com/health/g-spot-in-women#1

 

[swingline747]

"Whether it's less, more, or equal, it happens" . LOL rarely rarely rarely.... I'm a woman mate, I know how our bodies work!!

OK let's try this again. I can c*m without touching.. usually during an erotic dream whilst asleep.. but it is a little like me saying to you (if you were a gay guy) that a*** sex will make you ejaculate.. it won't right..?!! You may enjoy it but... the thing that makes you ejaculate is manipulation of your penis ..!!! . Rarely do you c*m without that manipulation right? It's not impossible.. because men have wet dreams.. and some prematurely ejaculate without penetration...but most men, lie back, think of England, and can control themselves for a good 15 mins (;-) )

Cosmopolitan - most popular female mag:

"You very rarely hear women say they can achieve orgasm just from penetration, but like the Loch Ness Monster, the legend sticks around just enough to make those who are more clitorally oriented wonder if it's worth working toward. In fact, some experts say 70 percent of women rarely or never have orgasms. And yet men put a premium on it for a few obvious reasons: (1) p*rn and (2) they want to feel like their penis is a sexual hot-rod that will make you speak in tongues and throw your vibrator in a volcano.

So how, if it's even possible for mere mortals, can we have a vaginal orgasm? Ian Kerner, the author of She Comes First: The Thinking Man's Guide to Pleasuring a Woman, says that if you interpret "vaginal orgasm" as achieving orgasm from penetration alone, it's pretty damn rare. "Vaginal orgasms don't happen without some kind of clit stimulation. They can be enhanced with the G-spot, which provides a different sensation, and clitoral orgasm during penetration can give you the feeling of vaginal orgasm."

Pretty damn rare!!!! Like your penis, our CLIT needs to be stimulated to orgasm... the clit is the female penis if you like.. if it helps to think of it like that... please trust me on this one.. IF a woman's clit is close to her hole, then maybe she can c*m from penetration, but as the extract above says.. it's pretty damn rare!!! RARE RARE... not heard of in most women.. we cannot c*m from penetration in most circumstances!!

It should be SO obvious.. but no. why? Because of p*rn.. which also teaches that woman's vaginas all look the same.. lips all neatly tucked away... that is rare too... just as many men have a bent or not a straight penis.. or not super hard..

Anyway.. I'll say it again.. every woman comes differently because our clit cam be hard to find.. but it is not by the hole you penetrate. it is at the front of the vagina and needs stimulation. NOW.. if you penetrate and also rub it at the same time (gently..), your woman will be very happy... if you give oral..the same.. it's the clit.. we ALL masturbate by manipulating the clit.. rarely do we bother with penetration, and never do we masturbate JUST penetrating without stimulating the clit..

It's such hard work to teach most men on hook up to have the patience to assist us to c*m we don't bother, we enjoy the experience, and masturbate when he has gone home\.. perhaps faking on the way to make him feel good (because we like him perhaps).. I cannot count how many orgasms I have faked... but I can count how many times I have orgasmed with a man during sex.. and it is less than fingers on one hand (and only when he stimulated my clit). Similar experience to many of my GFs...

"

OH TRUST ME all vaginas are not the same visually, hence why I say its not a very attractive area to look at. Not every girl has the clean slit pam anderson.
at the same time you are stating because YOURE a woman you are all the exact same and that because YOU say you have never had a vaginal orgasm then no woman has. Im not going to continue the discussion because you sent me an article from cosmopolitan, and I distinctly made a point in my first comment to, what I thought was a guy, not get caught up in womens magazines. I said that for a reason. In the grand scheme of things all our numbers are off from each other, so either the real number is higher, lower or somewhere in the middle. I dont also think a lot of women being interviewed will realize this article is for "cosmopolitan" and then just say what they think they want to hear. I ALSO wont ignore the possibility of how many partners the 70% of these women in your article (or even mine) have actually had who have any idea what their doing. To say 0% of women will never have an orgasm through penetration is more than likely false, we're arguing semantics at this point. NO ONE is telling guys to ignore the clit area, but Im also not going to preach they should be down there rubbing and eating a girl out for an hour. No one is telling a guy not to give you a reach around and play there, or better yet tell YOU to play with yourself during the act, which can be really hot (p**rn thing) and work for you. It really seems you seem to just have a things against p**rn and Im wondering if thats where this all stems from. I learned how to go down on a girl from watching p**rn, lord know I would have been lost as f*** if I had to figure that out on my own at that age. I watched some p**rn and figured things out.
I honestly think most of the issues you are talking about here are just your issues. Maybe youre just a tough person to orgasm... In a situation of being with someone like you I would have brought out a vibrator or something to use during in the past.

also just so youre aware a guy can c*m from having a*** sex (performed on him). Its called pegging or just plain homoexual activity and by massaging the prostate into an orgasmic state a man can ejaculate, very much. Talk to some homosexual men some time. Its pretty common for guys to actually ejaculate a bit (or a normal amount) during a regular prostate exam. Doesnt happen to everyone but it does happen.

we can keep this going or again, just agree to disagree here. Im no "womans expert" but Im also not going to say you are either just because you are a woman. I think a lot of those magazines spread a TON of misinformation and have for a long time. They tend to spread information more on what women "want" (which is fine) than really need. Its like a guy saying "cmon babe the penthouse said if you do a*** Ill orgasm way better!", its set up for what men want. Maybe Im just lucky and have ended up with a lot of women who orgasm easy, yay me.

actually just to end this on some kind of equality..... most of the positions you are going to use will be stimulating the clit in some fashion enough. Unless the guy is literally 16" long and pencil thin, I cant see where ONLY penetration stimulation is happening. Im not denying this is happening and assisting the orgasm. But what I am saying is its not direct clit ONLY stimulation.... know your positions and use that. I agreed with you, the guy doesnt just sit there and pound away because everyone knows that does nothing, for either party. Doggy is one of the most popular positions. You would think that would give zero clitoral stimulation but it apparently does. This is where our disconnect is probably happening.

 

[Cate]

OH TRUST ME all vaginas are not the same visually, hence why I say its not a very attractive area to look at. Not every girl has the clean slit pam anderson.
at the same time you are stating because YOURE a woman you are all the exact same and that because YOU say you have never had a vaginal orgasm then no woman has. Im not going to continue the discussion because you sent me an article from cosmopolitan, and I distinctly made a point in my first comment to, what I thought was a guy, not get caught up in womens magazines. I said that for a reason. In the grand scheme of things all our numbers are off from each other, so either the real number is higher, lower or somewhere in the middle. I dont also think a lot of women being interviewed will realize this article is for "cosmopolitan" and then just say what they think they want to hear. I ALSO wont ignore the possibility of how many partners the 70% of these women in your article (or even mine) have actually had who have any idea what their doing. To say 0% of women will never have an orgasm through penetration is more than likely false, we're arguing semantics at this point. NO ONE is telling guys to ignore the clit area, but Im also not going to preach they should be down there rubbing and eating a girl out for an hour. No one is telling a guy not to give you a reach around and play there, or better yet tell YOU to play with yourself during the act, which can be really hot (p*rn thing) and work for you. It really seems you seem to just have a things against p*rn and Im wondering if thats where this all stems from. I learned how to go down on a girl from watching p*rn, lord know I would have been lost as f*** if I had to figure that out on my own at that age. I watched some p*rn and figured things out.
I honestly think most of the issues you are talking about here are just your issues. Maybe youre just a tough person to orgasm... In a situation of being with someone like you I would have brought out a vibrator or something to use during in the past.

also just so youre aware a guy can c*m from having a*** sex (performed on him). Its called pegging or just plain homoexual activity and by massaging the prostate into an orgasmic state a man can ejaculate, very much. Talk to some homosexual men some time. Its pretty common for guys to actually ejaculate a bit (or a normal amount) during a regular prostate exam. Doesnt happen to everyone but it does happen.

we can keep this going or again, just agree to disagree here. Im no "womans expert" but Im also not going to say you are either just because you are a woman. I think a lot of those magazines spread a TON of misinformation and have for a long time. They tend to spread information more on what women "want" (which is fine) than really need. Its like a guy saying "cmon babe the penthouse said if you do a*** Ill orgasm way better!", its set up for what men want. Maybe Im just lucky and have ended up with a lot of women who orgasm easy, yay me.

actually just to end this on some kind of equality..... most of the positions you are going to use will be stimulating the clit in some fashion enough. Unless the guy is literally 16" long and pencil thin, I cant see where ONLY penetration stimulation is happening. Im not denying this is happening and assisting the orgasm. But what I am saying is its not direct clit ONLY stimulation.... know your positions and use that. I agreed with you, the guy doesnt just sit there and pound away because everyone knows that does nothing, for either party. Doggy is one of the most popular positions. You would think that would give zero clitoral stimulation but it apparently does. This is where our disconnect is probably happening.

I'm not saying all vaginas are the same, I am saying that the only way for the vast majority of women to orgasm fast is through stimulation of the clit = period - full stop. Denying that, and saying I am wrong because all women are different is like me denying that most men can only c*m if you stimulate the penis.

I cannot believe you think otherwise.

Penetration can give a strong sensation, but it is not an orgasm like the clit gives it. The way for a woman to orgasm in the MAJORITY of cases (unless she can c*m without touching, or is very sensitive) is through stimulation of the clit.

One of the only positions that does that is when the woman is on top. Not from behind etc etc.. and no most positions do not stimulate the clit. The clit is Not *in most women - close to where you penetrate.. It's too gar away to feel stimulated. If a woman is on top, (not going up and down but back and forth) it's pretty amazing sensation because we have both - penetration and stimulation.

You can continue your life thinking that you are great lover with "a bit of foreplay and some mild/aggressive sex" and "women will orgasm just like men" or you can take on board what I am saying and really elevate your status as a lover - that would be awesome. Become that rare bread of man that spends a lot of time on a woman's body bringing her to orgasm (with stimulating the clit) before you penetrate..

Penetration after orgasm is amazing..

We are not all that different from each other when it comes to the basics. To make a woman c*m in most cases, you simply must stimulate the clit for a significant period of time, keep; your hand there when you do other positions (not top, from behind, from the side etc). Same as when we go down on men they do not c*m in 2 mins (in most cases) they need a significant degree of stimulation.

It's up to you what you decide to do.

 

[swingline747]

I'm not saying all vaginas are the same, I am saying that the only way for the vast majority of women to orgasm fast is through stimulation of the clit = period - full stop. Denying that, and saying I am wrong because all women are different is like me denying that most men can only c*m if you stimulate the penis.

I cannot believe you think otherwise.

Penetration can give a strong sensation, but it is not an orgasm like the clit gives it. The way for a woman to orgasm in the MAJORITY of cases (unless she can c*m without touching, or is very sensitive) is through stimulation of the clit.

One of the only positions that does that is when the woman is on top. Not from behind etc etc.. and no most positions do not stimulate the clit. The clit is Not *in most women - close to where you penetrate.. It's too gar away to feel stimulated. If a woman is on top, (not going up and down but back and forth) it's pretty amazing sensation because we have both - penetration and stimulation.

You can continue your life thinking that you are great lover with "a bit of foreplay and some mild/aggressive sex" and "women will orgasm just like men" or you can take on board what I am saying and really elevate your status as a lover - that would be awesome. Become that rare bread of man that spends a lot of time on a woman's body bringing her to orgasm (with stimulating the clit) before you penetrate..

Penetration after orgasm is amazing..

We are not all that different from each other when it comes to the basics. To make a woman c*m in most cases, you simply must stimulate the clit for a significant period of time, keep; your hand there when you do other positions (not top, from behind, from the side etc). Same as when we go down on men they do not c*m in 2 mins (in most cases) they need a significant degree of stimulation.

It's up to you what you decide to do.

Ill more than agree with what you just came back with.... see semantics lol. Im not touting any love making skills or telling any guy to do 30 seconds of foreplay, anything I say here (or anywhere) is generally in form of short sarcastic quips or full blown out exaggerations, as my learning from p**rn comment expressed, you have to use a level of common sense. Just like you can speak for you, I can only speak from my personal experiences and from speaking with women Ive known. Then reading a bit. Also understand my version of "mild agressive sex" isnt punching a b**ch in the back of the head mid doggy...... we are probably viewing both of our statements in different lights but they would be closer to similarity than we think.
I cant go into the ways I perform or some technique, said that before. I just honestly dont think its really appropriate and it would probably just come off as cocky bragging or all out bullshitting. I will say though I have always been told what I do is good, and have even had ex's and ex sexual partners come seeking me out after some duration of time. Maybe Im just more lucky than talented, who knows.
And not to add more debate to this sadly head is one of the easiest ways to get me off..... I think Ive just gone so far degenerate wise it was either start looking into REALLY weird sh*t or circle back to basics.

 

[Cate]

Ill more than agree with what you just came back with.... see semantics lol. Im not touting any love making skills or telling any guy to do 30 seconds of foreplay, anything I say here (or anywhere) is generally in form of short sarcastic quips or full blown out exaggerations, as my learning from p*rn comment expressed, you have to use a level of common sense. Just like you can speak for you, I can only speak from my personal experiences and from speaking with women Ive known. Then reading a bit. Also understand my version of "mild agressive sex" isnt punching a b**ch in the back of the head mid doggy...... we are probably viewing both of our statements in different lights but they would be closer to similarity than we think.
I cant go into the ways I perform or some technique, said that before. I just honestly dont think its really appropriate and it would probably just come off as cocky bragging or all out bullshitting. I will say though I have always been told what I do is good, and have even had ex's and ex sexual partners come seeking me out after some duration of time. Maybe Im just more lucky than talented, who knows.
And not to add more debate to this sadly head is one of the easiest ways to get me off..... I think Ive just gone so far degenerate wise it was either start looking into REALLY weird sh*t or circle back to basics.

Well that is encouraging. I guess, as you say, we are viewing this in different lights.. myself and many of my friends really just accept that orgasming during sex is a rarity rather than regular experience, and I do blame p**rn for that to an extent. When you see a women screaming during intercourse and it is abundantly evident that the man's actions could not bring her close to orgasm, it's no wonder most young guys are confused how a woman's body works.

So few men I have been with have been good lovers.. usually it only occurs in a relationship where the woman is confident enough to tell a man how to stimulate her (meaning the clit.. clit clit clit), and feel relaxed enough not to rush. I wish our orgasms occurred 100% during penetration, would make the whole action a lot more enjoyable.. as it is, penetration (as enjoyable as it is) alone will not do it for most, the vast majority, of women. Sad that it is like that.. but I guess evolution or creation (which ever side you sit ;-) ) had a reason for it.

 

[swingline747]

Well that is encouraging. I guess, as you say, we are viewing this in different lights.. myself and many of my friends really just accept that orgasming during sex is a rarity rather than regular experience, and I do blame p*rn for that to an extent. When you see a women screaming during intercourse and it is abundantly evident that the man's actions could not bring her close to orgasm, it's no wonder most young guys are confused how a woman's body works.

So few men I have been with have been good lovers.. usually it only occurs in a relationship where the woman is confident enough to tell a man how to stimulate her (meaning the clit.. clit clit clit), and feel relaxed enough not to rush. I wish our orgasms occurred 100% during penetration, would make the whole action a lot more enjoyable.. as it is, penetration (as enjoyable as it is) alone will not do it for most, the vast majority, of women. Sad that it is like that.. but I guess evolution or creation (which ever side you sit ;-) ) had a reason for it.

I dont think it's just guys though because like you stated women aren't confident enough to know or be vocal about what they want or actually what they even might need to get off. I'd love to keep this convo going but it would be better in a private one since again I mostly don't want to come off as a full on braggart bullshitter. Theres also details about my "history" I don't want out in the open. I'm not ashamed but still, better things left unsaid but I think most of the guys here who are familiar with me already have an idea about.

There were plenty of girls I would bring into a "sexual fray" who were inexperienced. I'd hate to say it (though not) they almost eventually becomes w****s (which is all good by me) because the become more confident in bed. As much as you might not want to admit it tho porno helped me A LOT with that. I'm a bit of a p**rn/sex addict tho. It's to each person how they interpret things as an art, a learning tool, an experience or just fun. The issue is women can later say a guy doesn't know what he's doing in bed, he only cares about himself getting off. Unless the woman speaks up to him and not cosmopolitan, it really doesn't mean anything. It's as much her fault if not more she didn't orgasm because men are programmed and told to take the reigns in certain things.

Been fun

 

[Cate]

I dont think it's just guys though because like you stated women aren't confident enough to know or be vocal about what they want or actually what they even might need to get off. I'd love to keep this convo going but it would be better in a private one since again I mostly don't want to come off as a full on braggart bullshitter. Theres also details about my "history" I don't want out in the open. I'm not ashamed but still, better things left unsaid but I think most of the guys here who are familiar with me already have an idea about.

There were plenty of girls I would bring into a "sexual fray" who were inexperienced. I'd hate to say it (though not) they almost eventually becomes w****s (which is all good by me) because the become more confident in bed. As much as you might not want to admit it tho porno helped me A LOT with that. I'm a bit of a p*rn/sex addict tho. It's to each person how they interpret things as an art, a learning tool, an experience or just fun. The issue is women can later say a guy doesn't know what he's doing in bed, he only cares about himself getting off. Unless the woman speaks up to him and not cosmopolitan, it really doesn't mean anything. It's as much her fault if not more she didn't orgasm because men are programmed and told to take the reigns in certain things.

Been fun

Totally agree.. women need to learn to assert themselves more... we are partially to blame. Happy to continue in private if you want (PM me if you like..btw, I'm in Australia). And agree totally.. was a fun convo. Enjoyed it..

I do think for the sake of this forum though, that we should promote how attractive self confidence is.. how it will overcome any issue with looks, hair, no hair, in terms of getting a woman (or guy)... so much concentration on the exterior is crippling.. especially when all your confidence hangs on whether you have hair or not... and I speak of a victim of that myself.

As . woman I know it doesn't matter much to my sex.. but I doubt the same in return.. hence why I joined this forum.

We really should do more to really educate on what we can do internally to attract.. rather than externally..

 

[swingline747]

Totally agree.. women need to learn to assert themselves more... we are partially to blame. Happy to continue in private if you want (PM me if you like..btw, I'm in Australia). And agree totally.. was a fun convo. Enjoyed it..

I do think for the sake of this forum though, that we should promote how attractive self confidence is.. how it will overcome any issue with looks, hair, no hair, in terms of getting a woman (or guy)... so much concentration on the exterior is crippling.. especially when all your confidence hangs on whether you have hair or not... and I speak of a victim of that myself.

As . woman I know it doesn't matter much to my sex.. but I doubt the same in return.. hence why I joined this forum.

We really should do more to really educate on what we can do internally to attract.. rather than externally..

Well we'll differ there. I think inward confidence is majority constructed from some sort of outward variable like looks or talent. I tell allot of the guys here to get some sort of talent but looks are so important, especially when it comes to just sex. I understand the stress hair loss cause. I'm a first hand example. I used to tell myself " not me", no matter what is always be able to pick up women and get ready sex. Looks are your "in", after looks are where your charm comes in. Without those looks though that charm is dormant. Unless you have a major talent to use for attraction. Luckily I was also a musician. Once my hair started going, pretty much none of that mattered anymore. Yet before anyone says the hair didn't matter, I have a near identical brother who has no actual talents, charm or business drive, has a car worse physical build yet does better now with women's attention. The only variable is the hair.
Sure self confidence helps but I stand that hair is a major factor in attraction. Maybe not 100% of the time but at least the same amount that the clit stands for a female orgasm.

 

[Cate]

Well we'll differ there. I think inward confidence is majority constructed from some sort of outward variable like looks or talent. I tell allot of the guys here to get some sort of talent but looks are so important, especially when it comes to just sex. I understand the stress hair loss cause. I'm a first hand example. I used to tell myself " not me", no matter what is always be able to pick up women and get ready sex. Looks are your "in", after looks are where your charm comes in. Without those looks though that charm is dormant. Unless you have a major talent to use for attraction. Luckily I was also a musician. Once my hair started going, pretty much none of that mattered anymore. Yet before anyone says the hair didn't matter, I have a near identical brother who has no actual talents, charm or business drive, has a car worse physical build yet does better now with women's attention. The only variable is the hair.
Sure self confidence helps but I stand that hair is a major factor in attraction. Maybe not 100% of the time but at least the same amount that the clit stands for a female orgasm.

V interesting, but I still think you are wrong in terms of how you look at it. What about a woman gong through this? Does hair affect your attraction to women? I think it is much worst for us.. maybe I'm wrong? I was always under the concept that men prefer women with long hair? I don't know because I look on it as a woman...

Back to men. The three men I have seen recently (Casually) - one is v good looking (younger than me), not tall - but is losing hair at the rear of his head. He is going to Ashley Martin.. I like him, he comes across as confident and bright, doesn't matter to me whether he loses it or not, he is hot, lovely guy, good in bed, a lot of fun to go out with.

The other is older than me, has lost all his hair, has a good physique, I didn't even blink at the problem, never once did I wish he had hair.. I honestly didn't really notice, but just accepted it.

Women of course are turned on by looks, but we are honestly not as visual as men.. it's not as important imo, we're looking for strength.. confidence.., it is more important how confident he is, and if he knows what he is doing.

I have been turned off by other things.. but never their hair!

The third is thinning.. sill has hair, but receding hair line.. I swiped him on tinder based on his physique and description on his profile - seemed a nice guy that looked after his health... his hair didn't bother me at all. I didn't notice it.. his personality when I met him was nice/ He was intelligent and showed good interest in me as a person, and that was a turn on to me.. in other words, he was not just looking for a hookup..

There is another guy I know..in his 20s, but looks around 30 because he has almost lost all his hair.. he is skinny, but VERY intelligent, 3 languages fluently, a top PHD student in Maths, and extremely funny.. he is VERY sexy to women because of the above, he doesn't have much issue charming the girls. But I guess inside it would bother him... doesn't bother us.//

I used to be a muso... so know where you are coming from. Personally I have always been attracted to intelligent, confident guys.. who interest me.. never mattered to me - hair or no hair.

One guy I dated in my teens - an actor.. had long hair, and one day turned up with a wet shave.. didn't bother me at all...

So hair - imo - is really not an issue to me or other women I know as far as I'm aware ...

 

[swingline747]

V interesting, but I still think you are wrong in terms of how you look at it. What about a woman gong through this? Does hair affect your attraction to women? I think it is much worst for us.. maybe I'm wrong? I was always under the concept that men prefer women with long hair? I don't know because I look on it as a woman...

Back to men. The three men I have seen recently (Casually) - one is v good looking (younger than me), not tall - but is losing hair at the rear of his head. He is going to Ashley Martin.. I like him, he comes across as confident and bright, doesn't matter to me whether he loses it or not, he is hot, lovely guy, good in bed, a lot of fun to go out with.

The other is older than me, has lost all his hair, has a good physique, I didn't even blink at the problem, never once did I wish he had hair.. I honestly didn't really notice, but just accepted it.

Women of course are turned on by looks, but we are honestly not as visual as men.. it's not as important imo, we're looking for strength.. confidence.., it is more important how confident he is, and if he knows what he is doing.

I have been turned off by other things.. but never their hair!

The third is thinning.. sill has hair, but receding hair line.. I swiped him on tinder based on his physique and description on his profile - seemed a nice guy that looked after his health... his hair didn't bother me at all. I didn't notice it.. his personality when I met him was nice/ He was intelligent and showed good interest in me as a person, and that was a turn on to me.. in other words, he was not just looking for a hookup..

There is another guy I know..in his 20s, but looks around 30 because he has almost lost all his hair.. he is skinny, but VERY intelligent, 3 languages fluently, a top PHD student in Maths, and extremely funny.. he is VERY sexy to women because of the above, he doesn't have much issue charming the girls. But I guess inside it would bother him... doesn't bother us.//

I used to be a muso... so know where you are coming from. Personally I have always been attracted to intelligent, confident guys.. who interest me.. never mattered to me - hair or no hair.

One guy I dated in my teens - an actor.. had long hair, and one day turned up with a wet shave.. didn't bother me at all...

So hair - imo - is really not an issue to me or other women I know as far as I'm aware ...

first question is how old are you?
second is what are you looking for in these dates? casual dating or that special someone?
One of my favorite things to say here is if a guy, bald or not wants a "wife" he can find a wife. He might have to lower some expectations or work harder on himself but a wife is possible. Hooking up or having casual sexual "friends" is a bit tougher once you arent really conventionally attractive anymore (or ever). Just my personal observations in life.
Where did you meet these guy? All online, why are they looking online instead of just cold walking women? How many swipes the wrong direction did they get before yours?
My last "observation" is Ive never been to australia, want to go one day but being eaten by a shark or killed by a jelllyfish the size of a dime scares the crap out of me since I love the beach (lol). Our dependence on physical attraction and self worth by wealth or sex appeal has sky rocketed, not sure if its the same there. Its rather disgusting to be honest. We worship asshats like Cardi B because so many of us have lost direction in life and crave that lifestyle of wealth by proxy of sex appeal and sloth and condemn intelligent people. We technically live in "two different worlds"..... possibly.

 

[Cate]

first question is how old are you?
second is what are you looking for in these dates? casual dating or that special someone?
One of my favorite things to say here is if a guy, bald or not wants a "wife" he can find a wife. He might have to lower some expectations or work harder on himself but a wife is possible. Hooking up or having casual sexual "friends" is a bit tougher once you arent really conventionally attractive anymore (or ever). Just my personal observations in life.
Where did you meet these guy? All online, why are they looking online instead of just cold walking women? How many swipes the wrong direction did they get before yours?
My last "observation" is Ive never been to australia, want to go one day but being eaten by a shark or killed by a jelllyfish the size of a dime scares the crap out of me since I love the beach (lol). Our dependence on physical attraction and self worth by wealth or sex appeal has sky rocketed, not sure if its the same there. Its rather disgusting to be honest. We worship asshats like Cardi B because so many of us have lost direction in life and crave that lifestyle of wealth by proxy of sex appeal and sloth and condemn intelligent people. We technically live in "two different worlds"..... possibly.

I'm 45.. most of the guys I mentioned here I met on dating apps.. I'm quite independent so enjoy casual dating.. seeing where things go..but would happy let it progress if I made the right connection. I'm not looking for 1 night stands, casual dating to me is enjoying each others company in many ways with no serious commitment, and if it goes no where, then to remain on good terms.. not ghosting, which I think is cowardly, immature, behaviour. Most of the guys I date are younger than me, not because I planned it that way, just how it happened.

I have long hair, (strawberry blonde), have had it all my life, so when that was threatened, it really affected my image and confidence.. which thankfully, as I recover, is restoring again slowly slowly slowly. But it was enough for me to realise how important hair is to both men and women and also made me very interested in helping others going through similar things...

Where are you? US?

I am interested in hearing what men find attractive in Women. I can see it clearly in what women find attractive in men.. but when it comes to the other way around, I'm in the same boat as some of the comments on this thread that have declared that evolution will change if all men find a cure for baldness... when in reality, from my heart, women are really not looking at your hair.. at least no where near as much as you think we are..

To level it up.. I am convinced men only find me attractive because of my hair,.. that they notice hair.. so I understand the mentality!