Talking topicals

[Jacob]

And where did you discuss using them..and for how long?

Also..the question in my previous post? I'll repost it for you:


Care to comment on Proctor's "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" that he lied about?

Or this:

And there is proof that Bryan has worked for Proctor. Yeah..go ahead..it doesn't mean anything! http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72201

BTW...your previous post reminded me of something else I need to ad to my responses to Bryan's spam..the fact that he doesn't use the products, and hasn't in 15+ years! Oh yeah..his hair looked(not "looks") so great that he just quit using the crap :woot:

 

[Bryan]

And there is proof that Bryan has worked for Proctor. Yeah..go ahead..it doesn't mean anything!

???

What ON EARTH are you talking about?? I've never worked for Dr. Proctor!! Have you no shame at all for all these lies and and all this silliness that you keep spouting about me?? :dunno:

 

[Jacob]

And there is proof that Bryan has worked for Proctor. Yeah..go ahead..it doesn't mean anything!

???

What ON EARTH are you talking about?? I've never worked for Dr. Proctor!! Have you no shame at all for all these lies and and all this silliness that you keep spouting about me?? :dunno:

Bryan2 BTW, Dr. P has been negotiating with me to help him prosecute cases of patent infringement...

The only lies are those coming from you and Proctor.- his "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" being the start of his long history of them.

 

[maximiliandreams]

And there is proof that Bryan has worked for Proctor. Yeah..go ahead..it doesn't mean anything!

???

What ON EARTH are you talking about?? I've never worked for Dr. Proctor!! Have you no shame at all for all these lies and and all this silliness that you keep spouting about me?? :dunno:

Bryan2 BTW, Dr. P has been negotiating with me to help him prosecute cases of patent infringement...

The only lies are those coming from you and Proctor.- his "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" being the start of his long history of them.

:agree:

Bryan,just stop pushing this crap and there will be peace.

 

[Bryan]

Bryan2 BTW, Dr. P has been negotiating with me to help him prosecute cases of patent infringement...

The only lies are those coming from you and Proctor.- his "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" being the start of his long history of them.

I've never "negotiated" with him to help him "prosecute" cases of patent infringement. Stop lying, Jacob.

 

[Bryan]

Why do you keep pushing these products with zero science behind them?

LOL!! So you're the expert on "science"?? Do you know even JACK SQUAT about what's in Proxiphen, or the reasons to use it to treat hairloss? :laugh:

 

[azuri]

My hair looks awesome now. If I showed my hair situation to you, no one would believe I have hair loss. I do and it has been confirmed by 4 hair transplant doctors.

What is you're current regimen and what norwood would you classify as?

 

[Jacob]

Bryan2 BTW, Dr. P has been negotiating with me to help him prosecute cases of patent infringement...

The only lies are those coming from you and Proctor.- his "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" being the start of his long history of them.

I've never "negotiated" with him to help him "prosecute" cases of patent infringement. Stop lying, Jacob.

Unfortunately, for you...those are your words. I am not lying about anything.

 

[Jacob]

Why do you keep pushing these products with zero science behind them?

LOL!! So you're the expert on "science"?? Do you know even JACK SQUAT about what's in Proxiphen, or the reasons to use it to treat hairloss? :laugh:

According to you, Mr Expert in "science", nobody knows what's all in Proxiphen. Snake-oil talk, no doubt...and reason enough to stay away from it.

 

[Bryan]

I've never "negotiated" with him to help him "prosecute" cases of patent infringement. Stop lying, Jacob.

Unfortunately, for you...those are your words. I am not lying about anything.

I have absolutely no recollection of ever saying such a thing, nor does it even make sense in the context of just a joke. Considering the lies you've spouted about me before, I have trouble believing AT ALL any remotely similar statement.

 

[Bryan]

According to you, Mr Expert in "science", nobody knows what's all in Proxiphen. Snake-oil talk, no doubt...and reason enough to stay away from it.

No, I don't know EVERYTHING in Proxiphen (nobody besides Dr. Proctor does), but I do know a FEW things in Proxiphen. That's probably more than what "finfighter" knows!

 

[Jacob]

I've never "negotiated" with him to help him "prosecute" cases of patent infringement. Stop lying, Jacob.

Unfortunately, for you...those are your words. I am not lying about anything.

I have absolutely no recollection of ever saying such a thing, nor does it even make sense in the context of just a joke. Considering the lies you've spouted about me before, I have trouble believing AT ALL any remotely similar statement.

And Bryan also has some Texas Proctor Piss he'll sell you. Backed by a comprehensive 3 year clinical study, back in the 80's! It's OBVIOUS it's the thing to use!

You live(d) by Proctor. You worked for him. And you're still shill'n the crap, after 15+ years.

Not only have I not lied about you, or Proctor....I've pointed out where you guys have.. and do... lie.

 

[Jacob]

According to you, Mr Expert in "science", nobody knows what's all in Proxiphen. Snake-oil talk, no doubt...and reason enough to stay away from it.

No, I don't know EVERYTHING in Proxiphen (nobody besides Dr. Proctor does), but I do know a FEW things in Proxiphen. That's probably more than what "finfighter" knows!

No, we all know what has been disclosed. No evidence..trials..etc...for 26 years. Only lies about how good the product will work and things such as a non-existent comprehensive 3 year clinical study.

Nobody knows what's all in Proxiphen, and nobody should care. It's just snake-oil talk...trying to get ppl excited since the rest of the crap is basically just based on patents.

 

[Bryan]

You live(d) by Proctor. You worked for him.

I've never worked for Dr. Proctor, DUMBASS.

 

[Jacob]

Oh sure..and you don't constantly push 'n shill Proctor's crap on these hair loss forums, either. For 15+ years :salut:

 

[DoctorHouse]

What is you're current regimen and what norwood would you classify as?

My pattern is more female pattern balding. Very little recession( about close to a NW2)

Just using Proxiphen, Revivogen, Propecia, and the LaserCap to maintain. Shampoo with Nano and Revivogen. I alternate nights with Proxiphen and Revivogen just to keep it to one topical just at night.

I know no one believes LLT can help but I think it could just help thicken your hair and keep it healthy. My hair for the past 6 months improved after I dropped Rogaine foam and switched to the LaserCap. My co-workers have seen my hair improve over the six months and they agree it has to be the LaserCap. I am a open book about my hair situation so they all know I am on treatments.

I have a NW6/7 father so I think I may have dodged the "bullet" or maybe my treatments are helping me. Who knows for sure. I could be wasting all this money and maybe my hair would still be about the same if I never did anything. I took the Hairdx and it said I have the balding gene so my doctor said that should be incentive enough to want to fight hair loss. I had to take the test because I did not want to fight hair loss without proof I had the gene. If I showed no balding gene, I probably would have stopped taking Propecia and maybe even the topicals.

 

[Jacob]

Bump..I guess you were just making it up, Doctorhouse?

And where did you discuss using them..and for how long?

Also..the question in my previous post? I'll repost it for you:


Care to comment on Proctor's "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" that he lied about?

Or this:

And there is proof that Bryan has worked for Proctor. Yeah..go ahead..it doesn't mean anything! http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72201

BTW...your previous post reminded me of something else I need to ad to my responses to Bryan's spam..the fact that he doesn't use the products, and hasn't in 15+ years! Oh yeah..his hair looked(not "looks") so great that he just quit using the crap :woot:

 

[DoctorHouse]

Jacob, I don't know anything about that study or what lies and accusations you are making about Proctor and Bryan. Nor do I really care. You think that matters to me. I am not going to stop using Proxiphen or Nano just because you think its snake oil. As far as Elsom products, I may have mentioned them in a post but my current final conclusion is that I don't like Elsom products. I don't like taking Propecia really as I don't like to takes drugs but I do just because I don't want to lose more hair. Do I think Proxiphen could be my stand alone drug to slow things down? Maybe? I think one poster quit Propecia and stayed on Proxiphen and he did not get worse. Don't remember his screen name.

Your obsession to ruin Bryan and Proctor's reputation is really getting annoying. You are forgetting that the posters on here are adult enough (I hope) to make their OWN decision on what to try or buy. Even with all you bashing, I would still have tried Proxiphen. Alot of MDs discover how certain chemicals "off label" can treat things without having to go thru an FDA study. There is actually an off label way to treat "pink eye" that gets rid of it in a just a few days. There is no legally approved anti-virals for "pink eye" or viral conjunctivitis so most doctors just give the patient a steroid to reduce inflammation. Viral conjunctivitis can last up to a month or more if it is severe. The off label treatment which has NO published studies gets rid of it a matter of days. If you had pink eye and I told you I can get rid of it a few days rather than a month but its not FDA approved and I only discovered it thru experience that it works would you decline? Maybe you would but most people would not. Most people don't like walking around with "pink eye".

Cassin, I hate to drag you into to this but you are a "voice of reason". Do you think Proctor's products are truly "snake oil" and that Bryan is a shill for Proctor? Just curious about your thoughts.

 

[maximiliandreams]

Jacob, I don't know anything about that study or what lies and accusations you are making about Proctor and Bryan. Nor do I really care. You think that matters to me. I am not going to stop using Proxiphen or Nano just because you think its snake oil. As far as Elsom products, I may have mentioned them in a post but my current final conclusion is that I don't like Elsom products. I don't like taking Propecia really as I don't like to takes drugs but I do just because I don't want to lose more hair. Do I think Proxiphen could be my stand alone drug to slow things down? Maybe? I think one poster quit Propecia and stayed on Proxiphen and he did not get worse. Don't remember his screen name.

Your obsession to ruin Bryan and Proctor's reputation is really getting annoying. You are forgetting that the posters on here are adult enough (I hope) to make their OWN decision on what to try or buy. Even with all you bashing, I would still have tried Proxiphen. Alot of MDs discover how certain chemicals "off label" can treat things without having to go thru an FDA study. There is actually an off label way to treat "pink eye" that gets rid of it in a just a few days. There is no legally approved anti-virals for "pink eye" or viral conjunctivitis so most doctors just give the patient a steroid to reduce inflammation. Viral conjunctivitis can last up to a month or more if it is severe. The off label treatment which has NO published studies gets rid of it a matter of days. If you had pink eye and I told you I can get rid of it a few days rather than a month but its not FDA approved and I only discovered it thru experience that it works would you decline? Maybe you would but most people would not. Most people don't like walking around with "pink eye".

Cassin, I hate to drag you into to this but you are a "voice of reason". Do you think Proctor's products are truly "snake oil" and that Bryan is a shill for Proctor? Just curious about your thoughts.

Aha,and bryan is pushing this proctor's crap all the time,everywhere is not annoying?Doctorhouse,try ervamatin :jackit:

 

[Jacob]

Jacob, I don't know anything about that study or what lies and accusations you are making about Proctor and Bryan. Nor do I really care. You think that matters to me. I am not going to stop using Proxiphen or Nano just because you think its snake oil. As far as Elsom products, I may have mentioned them in a post but my current final conclusion is that I don't like Elsom products. I don't like taking Propecia really as I don't like to takes drugs but I do just because I don't want to lose more hair. Do I think Proxiphen could be my stand alone drug to slow things down? Maybe? I think one poster quit Propecia and stayed on Proxiphen and he did not get worse. Don't remember his screen name.

Your obsession to ruin Bryan and Proctor's reputation is really getting annoying. You are forgetting that the posters on here are adult enough (I hope) to make their OWN decision on what to try or buy. Even with all you bashing, I would still have tried Proxiphen. Alot of MDs discover how certain chemicals "off label" can treat things without having to go thru an FDA study. There is actually an off label way to treat "pink eye" that gets rid of it in a just a few days. There is no legally approved anti-virals for "pink eye" or viral conjunctivitis so most doctors just give the patient a steroid to reduce inflammation. Viral conjunctivitis can last up to a month or more if it is severe. The off label treatment which has NO published studies gets rid of it a matter of days. If you had pink eye and I told you I can get rid of it a few days rather than a month but its not FDA approved and I only discovered it thru experience that it works would you decline? Maybe you would but most people would not. Most people don't like walking around with "pink eye".

Cassin, I hate to drag you into to this but you are a "voice of reason". Do you think Proctor's products are truly "snake oil" and that Bryan is a shill for Proctor? Just curious about your thoughts.

First of all...you just made it up- about using Juveline and Nanoscalp- the only "mentions" of them is your asking me about them. If you'd have used just one bottle of each..you would have talked about them. So anything else you say is questionable as well.

You don't know anything "about that study" because it doesn't exist. Come on..you know better. You know dang well if it existed it would have been discussed all these years, and Bryan would have been throwing it in my face the second I posted about it. The same goes for the "mysterious ingredients"..the "grows more hair than any agent out there"....the Lite/watered down versions..etc. They are all made up. LIES.

My "obsession to ruin Bryan and Proctor's reputation is really getting annoying."?? If you were so unbiased..you'd at least say the same thing about Bryan pushing the crap constantly, as so many have also pointed out lately. But then again..I realized you have a habit of jumping in trying to save Bryan..even going so far as to write up an online version of an Infomercial, as you did in this thread. I remember another time you jumped in with- oh Bryan..you're on the radio!

On our study/FDA talk- talk to Bryan. I'll remind you...again...it is Bryan running around asking for evidence from others...on other products/ingreds. I pointed out an example not long ago- on Nanoxidil I think it was. Your Pink eye comparison is absurd. The difference is- there's no evidence out there that Prox/Nano are fixing the problem for anyone.

Cassin shouldn't even have to answer your question. Heck..he really doesn't/shouldn't even answer my question- about why does Bryan continue to get away with it...after 15+ years. Bryan should just knock it off..and/or be asked to just STOP with the shillin'. But if not..then yeah...some answers would be nice