Talking topicals

[KingC]

Most people agree finasteride or dutasteride are the best two treatments to go for in terms of slowing down hairloss and maybe getting some regrowth but what would some forum members believe to be the best topical DHT inhibitor excluding RU? As RU is rather expensive, has to be mixed yourself and doesn't have many sources to buy it from I would like to here other alternatives.

Some I've heard of include:
Revivogen
Topical finasteride
Flutamide
Spironolactone
Eucapil

There maybe more but thats off the top of my head. I read a few studies saying Revivogen inhibited DHT by 90% but I believe the tests were done in a petri dish wish always raises concerns due to the obvious differences between test tubes and human scalps. I have actually used both topical finasteride and spironolactone with ok results. Basically I'm at a stage now where I have almost regrown my lost hair and am now looking towards the future and maintenance. With topical finasteride and spironolactone I lose roughly 50-65 hairs a day which is good considering before treatments I lost about 160 - 180 a day but I know more can be done. It can be considered normal to lose 100 hairs a day but I never lost anywhere near that BEFORE male pattern baldness (I lost maybe 2-3 hairs when washing my hair before male pattern baldness, 80 hairs when experiencing male pattern baldness and about 30 every wash nowadays so I know DHT is still having an effect). I realise I can't inhibit all dht and don't want to as its so important in the body in many ways but on the scalp I want to inhibit as much as possible. I may get on RU in the future when the price comes down and you can buy it pre made/mixed but for now I'm looking for other options. I also may start on oral finasteride but seeing how it reduces DHT in the body as well as the scalp and knowing how important DHT in the body is for such things as the brain I'm apprehensive to say the least.

I know its a long post and I thank people for reading and hopefully responding. Also if parts don't make sense or I've misspelt its probably because I'm tired and its half 12. Just ask me if ypu don't understand a part.

 

[Bryan]

I see you include Tricomin in your list, even though to the best of my knowledge, there's nothing in it which acts as a "DHT inhibitor" (I'm speaking loosely, just using the same expression that you used). If you've deliberately decided to mention and include products that don't specifically do very much to androgens, then I'd certainly add Prox-N and Proxiphen to the list (even though Proxiphen does contain spironolactone). Those are powerful concoctions which attack balding in ways which have nothing specifically to do with androgens (except for the spironolactone, of course). Not to include those two products in your list would be a BIG oversite.

 

[Jacob]

Bryan is a shill for Proctor and his products. He's been shill 'n spam'n the crap for 15+ years. There are plenty of doctors with hair loss products out there. With patents on their ingreds/products as well. In fact, one of those doctors..Dr. Lee..for all these years.. has been bashed and ridiculed and questioned by Bryan. Bryan wants us to just trust and believe Proctor because he's a Dr, but isn't consistent when it comes to other Drs. There is no evidence for Proctor's/Bryan's claims or wishes. Not only has Proctor not said which specific cu peptides are used, but he and Bryan also talk about "mysterious ingredients" that are not in the ingreds list(s). Snake-oil talk that is supposed to get you even more excited about the products. The same goes for their- "better bang for the buck" talk regarding getting the non-prescription products from places outside of Proctor's website. They want you to believe those cheaper versions are lite/watered-down...are you really going to purchase a lite/watered-down version of a product for something so difficult to treat as male pattern baldness? Buy the "more potent" crap directly from Proctor and he makes a bit more money. For all the reasons above..he should have been laughed out of these forums years ago.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72201

 

[Bryan]

To the obnoxious poster who calls himself "Jacob":

Is that all you're going to say when I cite what may be the best available male pattern baldness treatment ever made? Something designed and produced by a doctor (both an MD and a PhD)? Where the hell did YOU go to medical school, to be able to have an opinion like what you wrote above? :dunno:

 

[Jacob]

It's all true..and it's all that needs to be said.

Bryan is a shill for Proctor and his products. He's been shill 'n spam'n the crap for 15+ years. There are plenty of doctors with hair loss products out there. With patents on their ingreds/products as well. In fact, one of those doctors..Dr. Lee..for all these years.. has been bashed and ridiculed and questioned by Bryan. Bryan wants us to just trust and believe Proctor because he's a Dr, but isn't consistent when it comes to other Drs. There is no evidence for Proctor's/Bryan's claims or wishes. Not only has Proctor not said which specific cu peptides are used, but he and Bryan also talk about "mysterious ingredients" that are not in the ingreds list(s). Snake-oil talk that is supposed to get you even more excited about the products. The same goes for their- "better bang for the buck" talk regarding getting the non-prescription products from places outside of Proctor's website. They want you to believe those cheaper versions are lite/watered-down...are you really going to purchase a lite/watered-down version of a product for something so difficult to treat as male pattern baldness? Buy the "more potent" crap directly from Proctor and he makes a bit more money. For all the reasons above..he should have been laughed out of these forums years ago.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72201

And my apologies to the original poster..but this needs to be pointed out when he shills 'n spams the crap.

I can list a # of products if they don't have to be entirely or even mostly "anti-dht".

 

[Jacob]

BTW..if you want to go by credentials..check out this guy and his products: http://www.hairandscalp.com/index.php

Dr. Kingsley is an adjunct member of the American Academy of Dermatologist. He is the only trichologist in the world to have been granted membership to this prestigious organization.
Dr. Kingsley is the only trichologist in North America with a PhD in hair loss research. He attained his PhD through the University of Portsmouth (U.K.)
Dr. Kingsley is the President of the World Trichology Society, and is a member of the North American Hair Research Society, The Trichological Society, and the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery, among several other boards and organizations.
Dr. Kingsley's patients include famous actors, actresses, musicians, and well-known dignitaries.

 

[Bryan]

Keep writing that garbage, Jacob; you may eventually be out of here, if you keep that up.

 

[KingC]

To avoid any confusion putting Tricomin on the list was my mistake. I am looking soley for DHT inhibitor advice and not info on growth stimulants. I shouldn't have included Tricomin.

 

[Jacob]

Keep writing that garbage, Jacob; you may eventually be out of here, if you keep that up.

See..there you go again. You go running around these forums saying you can say anything you want, and now you're even threatening me like you run this place.

Let's see how easy it is- Keep writing that garbage, Bryan; you may eventually be out of here, if you keep that up.

 

[Jacob]

finasteride..only a shill says something like that. As you've probably noticed..ppl that spam these forums keep saying the same nonsense, even when called on it. They do it as long as they're able to. For as long as they can get away with it. So the question still remains....

 

[Bryan]

The best male pattern baldness treatment ever made, are you serious? No one, and I mean no one believes that!

LOL!!! For your information, _I_ believe it (or at the very least, I believe it's a distinct possibility). You should be very very careful what you say, about something you know nothing about! :laugh:

 

[KingC]

BTW..if you want to go by credentials..check out this guy and his products: http://www.hairandscalp.com/index.php

Dr. Kingsley is an adjunct member of the American Academy of Dermatologist. He is the only trichologist in the world to have been granted membership to this prestigious organization.
Dr. Kingsley is the only trichologist in North America with a PhD in hair loss research. He attained his PhD through the University of Portsmouth (U.K.)
Dr. Kingsley is the President of the World Trichology Society, and is a member of the North American Hair Research Society, The Trichological Society, and the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery, among several other boards and organizations.
Dr. Kingsley's patients include famous actors, actresses, musicians, and well-known dignitaries.

Thanks for the link, his products look alright but they don't give much information such as the ingredients he uses. Also none of his products seem to really fight DHT. The best I could find is his hair strengthener products but I don't think they would be any upgrade on spironolactone for example. Also I'm wary of anyone who sells lasercombs as they are a massive scam.

 

[maximiliandreams]

Bryan,again pushing the crap... :thumbdown2: Bryan !!! REMEMBER THIS : ME AND JACOB..we will be always here,looking for shills like you...and we will always warn the people in this community,that you WERE a shill,you ARE a shill,and you will always BE a shill... no one believes you dude...stop doing that really..how old are you ? shame on you... :thumbdown2: Just imagine how you are destroying your reputation by shilling this crap...you know when i first registered here,before that i was reading a lot before i decided to register here...and i was saying lol this guy Bryan,he is for example,he knows a lot,he is helping a lot of people to handle with hairloss,he is giving a lot of guides and advices...dont ask me,what i am thinking about you now.... :shakehead:

 

[DoctorHouse]

I stopped putting Proxiphen on my hairline for a while and my hair line started to thin again. Once I went back to using it on the hair line, I saw regrowth once again. I have quit minoxidil now for about 6 months or more. I have no sides from Proxiphen but from minoxidil I had alot. The number one reason I like Proxiphen is NO SIDES and it does not cause any negative cosmetic effects to my scalp or hair. I like the fact that Proxiphen is a comprehensive hair loss treatment for all types of thinning like thyroid-related thinning or age related thinning. Propecia is just for male pattern baldness. I need more than that as I have thyroid-related issues and I am aging too. I don't like minoxidil and I am never going back to it. My hair looks so much better without that stuff and my skin, face and eyes are so much better now too. I know Proxiphen has minoxidil in it but for some reason I do not have any sides with the Proxiphen.

I don't care if anyone feels Proctor's products are "snake oil". Then don't buy them. Bryan is well educated to know which products have good potential and which ones don't. Just because he mentions them does not mean he is twisting your arm to buy them. He is making a suggestion based on what he has faith in. He has good results from his experience so that was enough for him to gain faith in Proctor and his products. I am in the same boat as Bryan. My hair looks awesome now. If I showed my hair situation to you, no one would believe I have hair loss. I do and it has been confirmed by 4 hair transplant doctors.

I took the Hairdx and it said I was a poor responder to Propecia. So there is a very good chance that Proxiphen is helping me in a positive way. This is just MY opinion. If you want to believe Proctor's products are "snake oil" that is fine by me. I have EXPERIENCED many things in the medical field that seem impossible to believe and yet they happened. Its true you don't see countless testimonies of his products on forums. Maybe Proctor's patients don't want to take the time to post their experiences because they have much better things to do.

Jacob, I have never seen anyone post anything great about all the products you use either. I used Elsom products that you mentioned all the time and they did absolutely nothing for me and cosmetically were horrible. They even smelled terrible too. I am not going to go on forums and call you a shill and call Elsom products "snake oil". I know you are entitled to your own opinion and so is Bryan. Yes he likes to bring up Proctor's name all the time. Its just because he has faith in the guy. I have faith in him too. Sometimes just having faith in something can actually work in your favor. I think its time to ignore Bryan's posts about Proctor and use your time more wisely. I think most on here are adult enough to make their own decisions on how to spend their money. Give it a break finally.

 

[maximiliandreams]

He has good results from his experience so that was enough for him to gain faith in Proctor and his products. I am in the same boat as Bryan. My hair looks awesome now.

LOL REALLY?dude,this is not serious anymore...

 

[Jacob]

Edit..This is for KingC:

Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying they're the way to go. My point is if you think credentials are the way to go, he would top them all. On the Laser comb..it did have some type of FDA clearance :woot: The FDA does not impress me...

I haven't looked into it much..but Kigelia africana fruit extract supposedly fights DHT..it's in this product, and probably others: http://www.avariohealthcare.com/HAIR_LOSS_TREATMENT_BIOCLIN_PHYDRIUM_ADVANCE_AMOPOULES_MEN.html

 

[Jacob]

Doctorhouse..we've been through this before. That's cute you're happy..while using other products as well. Includng the laser cap I posted about! But Bryan is a shill. He's been doing it for 15+ years. Shall I post it again? :shakehead:

As for the products I use. I don't care..I don't push them. I've used so many things over the years. I am not running around pushing some crap calling it the most OBVIOUS thing to use, and doing so..for 15+ years.

Care to comment on Proctor's "comprehensive 3 year clinical study" that he lied about?

And there is proof that Bryan has worked for Proctor. Yeah..go ahead..it doesn't mean anything! http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72201

 

[Bryan]

Great post, "DoctorHouse"!! :bravo:

 

[Jacob]

BTW Doctorhouse..just out of curiosity..which Elsom topicals did you use?

 

[DoctorHouse]

Juveline and Nanoscalp.........................As Timi always says " uke: "