Regimen update - long time dutasteride/RU user

[Avacado]

Posting a quick update here so I have this for tracking. I'm making a minor(ish) change to my regimen and wanted to post. First my back story:

I started on Avodart when it first came out in I wanna say 2002, so I've been on it for like almost 18 years now. I've also used some minoxidil solution and Nizoral as well for the entire journey. I added RU in 2010 and continue to use the 4 today. I've never really had success, meaning I've never had regrowth or a complete stoppage of hairloss, but I do believe I've had a couple of periods of time where the loss slowed to where I was content, but other wise I've always continually slowly loss.

The first time I saw a bump was in 2010 when I started RU, lasted for about 8/9 months. Then when I added Stemox as my vehicle in 2015 I felt I saw another bump, and again in 2016 when increased my Stemox/RU daily dosage. However, since about 2018 it's been a steady decline. Considering I've been on hairloss products for so long, I should be thrilled I still have what I have.

Now, long story short, I'm losing again and fast. I mean, every couple of months there's a noticeable difference, it sucks. I'm taking extensive pics although I have no idea why, they just confirm what I see in the mirror. Here is what I changed as of 5 days ago, 2/6, I would take 6 ML of Stemox with about 150mg of RU and use that daily mixed using RU from Kane and/or Alibiaba. I'm now only going to use 3 ML of stemox with RU and my other 3 ML of RU I will use Kanes pre made with KB solution. That's actually probably weaker then my mixed solution, but I need to try something new. Here's the big thing, I'm also adding 30mg of Estriol to the daily mix.

We'll see what happens, I really can't see how adding a measly 30mg of Estriol daily is going to do something but I'm wicked desperate. Sorry for all the words here for those that actually read this.

Old Regimen
0.5 Avodart Daily
6 ML Stemox, 150mg RU Daily
1 ML Minoxidil Daily
Nizoral (2/3 times a week)

New Regimen
0.5 Avodart Daily
3 ML Stemox, 100mg RU Daily + 30mg of Estriol Daily
3 ML Kanes RU with KB Solution Daily
1 ML Minoxidil Daily
Nizoral (2/3 times a week)

 

[trialAcc]

Best of luck man! Keep us updated.

Ever get any sides from RU?

 

[Avacado]

I've been struggling with sexual sides for a few years now, but I think that's more due to the Avodart. I've been using Cialis which works like a champ, but even that is starting to fade a bit.

 

[telogen]

maybe you could try ASC-J9 6 mg twice a day to get some AR degradation going

 

[trialAcc]

maybe you could try ASC-J9 6 mg twice a day to get some AR degradation going

Is this stuff hard to source? Side profile?

 

[Isneezedsohard]

pics?

 

[Isneezedsohard]

Posting a quick update here so I have this for tracking. I'm making a minor(ish) change to my regimen and wanted to post. First my back story:

I started on Avodart when it first came out in I wanna say 2002, so I've been on it for like almost 18 years now. I've also used some minoxidil solution and Nizoral as well for the entire journey. I added RU in 2010 and continue to use the 4 today. I've never really had success, meaning I've never had regrowth or a complete stoppage of hairloss, but I do believe I've had a couple of periods of time where the loss slowed to where I was content, but other wise I've always continually slowly loss.

The first time I saw a bump was in 2010 when I started RU, lasted for about 8/9 months. Then when I added Stemox as my vehicle in 2015 I felt I saw another bump, and again in 2016 when increased my Stemox/RU daily dosage. However, since about 2018 it's been a steady decline. Considering I've been on hairloss products for so long, I should be thrilled I still have what I have.

Now, long story short, I'm losing again and fast. I mean, every couple of months there's a noticeable difference, it sucks. I'm taking extensive pics although I have no idea why, they just confirm what I see in the mirror. Here is what I changed as of 5 days ago, 2/6, I would take 6 ML of Stemox with about 150mg of RU and use that daily mixed using RU from Kane and/or Alibiaba. I'm now only going to use 3 ML of stemox with RU and my other 3 ML of RU I will use Kanes pre made with KB solution. That's actually probably weaker then my mixed solution, but I need to try something new. Here's the big thing, I'm also adding 30mg of Estriol to the daily mix.

We'll see what happens, I really can't see how adding a measly 30mg of Estriol daily is going to do something but I'm wicked desperate. Sorry for all the words here for those that actually read this.

Old Regimen
0.5 Avodart Daily
6 ML Stemox, 150mg RU Daily
1 ML Minoxidil Daily
Nizoral (2/3 times a week)

New Regimen
0.5 Avodart Daily
3 ML Stemox, 100mg RU Daily + 30mg of Estriol Daily
3 ML Kanes RU with KB Solution Daily
1 ML Minoxidil Daily
Nizoral (2/3 times a week)

Holy sh*t this sounds just like me

 

[1919]

This sucks. I was thinking of moving from finasteride/min to dutasteride/ru/min this month. I know finasteride should be working even though bloodwork shows DHT (the clinic outsourced DHT tests so could be unreliable) is through the roof because of beard growth sucks and ball ache. Been on finasteride for 8 months, I have no doubts about hair getting worse. Thinking that increased T might be the cause of my hairline thinning really fast after hopping on finasteride so im a little worried about switching to dutasteride/RU without trying finasteride/RU for a while first. Let me know what u think here.
Please update us about Estriol, seems like a hit or miss. Best of luck!

 

[Avacado]

maybe you could try ASC-J9 6 mg twice a day to get some AR degradation going

I've never heard of ASC-J9, i'll look into it.

pics?

Yes, I have a ton of pics, but don't really want to post pics showing my hair getting worse. I promise if I ever find something that works, I'd be happy to post as many pics as required. I'm currently a diffuse thinner but the front half seems to take the brunt of it.

Holy sh*t this sounds just like me

What's your current regimen, any luck?

It seems like the Estriol is not dissolving very good, I'm finding stuff at the bottom of my vials. Anyone else experience that with Estriol?

 

[ElToso]

I've never heard of ASC-J9, i'll look into it.


Yes, I have a ton of pics, but don't really want to post pics showing my hair getting worse. I promise if I ever find something that works, I'd be happy to post as many pics as required. I'm currently a diffuse thinner but the front half seems to take the brunt of it.


What's your current regimen, any luck?

It seems like the Estriol is not dissolving very good, I'm finding stuff at the bottom of my vials. Anyone else experience that with Estriol?

Yes, heat the vial for half a minute. By the way, I recommend starting lower with estriol, I used 40mg/day and my chest didn't like it

 

[Isneezedsohard]

I've never heard of ASC-J9, i'll look into it.


Yes, I have a ton of pics, but don't really want to post pics showing my hair getting worse. I promise if I ever find something that works, I'd be happy to post as many pics as required. I'm currently a diffuse thinner but the front half seems to take the brunt of it.


What's your current regimen, any luck?

It seems like the Estriol is not dissolving very good, I'm finding stuff at the bottom of my vials. Anyone else experience that with Estriol?

.05 dutasteride, 80 mg RU, Min, Topical finasteride, LLLT, oral castor oil, Niacin flushes

 

[Isneezedsohard]

I've never heard of ASC-J9, i'll look into it.


Yes, I have a ton of pics, but don't really want to post pics showing my hair getting worse. I promise if I ever find something that works, I'd be happy to post as many pics as required. I'm currently a diffuse thinner but the front half seems to take the brunt of it.


What's your current regimen, any luck?

It seems like the Estriol is not dissolving very good, I'm finding stuff at the bottom of my vials. Anyone else experience that with Estriol?

would you be comfortable dm'ing? Would love to compare where we both are.

 

[Avacado]

Yes, heat the vial for half a minute. By the way, I recommend starting lower with estriol, I used 40mg/day and my chest didn't like it

How many days were you using before your chest acted up? Do you think Estriol is working for you? I'd like to add something else too, but not sure what.

 

[ElToso]

15 days. I tried again with 5mg/day but i can't tolerate it. Instead I never had sides when I used estrone >1mg/day

 

[Avacado]

Is estrone >1mg/day working for you? What kind of results?

Curious, what did your chest feel like? It's only been 6 days for me, but my right side is a little sore today. It's more like on the side near the arm pit, it feels like I did a chest workout yesterday, but I didn't. Must be from something else, no way I could feel something this quickly.

 

[ElToso]

Is estrone >1mg/day working for you? What kind of results?

Curious, what did your chest feel like? It's only been 6 days for me, but my right side is a little sore today. It's more like on the side near the arm pit, it feels like I did a chest workout yesterday, but I didn't. Must be from something else, no way I could feel something this quickly.

mmm bad sign man, armpit pain / discomfort is a prelude to gyno
Be careful

 

[Avacado]

Has estrone been working for you at all?

 

[ElToso]

Has estrone been working for you at all?

It gave me some minor regrowth along with Progesterone and Hydrocortisone.
I stopped using it when I started finasteride last June.

 

[Avacado]

Well, it's been about a week, and I'm already feeling something on the right side of my chest. It defn. feels softer and semi uncomfortable whereas the left side seems normal. I'm thinking about stopping Estriol already, this accelerated loss of mine is hard enough to deal with let alone adding gyno to the equation.

What's interesting is this tells me a few things:

1) My vehicle works really well
2) Estriol is super potent to go systemic in a week using very little
3) RU is no longer working for me at all - i'm dumping on close to 150mg a day, maybe more - 11 years seems to be the shelf life for me

I need to find something else to add, I guess another AA. This just feels like the end of the road for me. Maybe ORM? Another poster seems to think that works.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Well, it's been about a week, and I'm already feeling something on the right side of my chest. It defn. feels softer and semi uncomfortable whereas the left side seems normal. I'm thinking about stopping Estriol already, this accelerated loss of mine is hard enough to deal with let alone adding gyno to the equation.

What's interesting is this tells me a few things:

1) My vehicle works really well
2) Estriol is super potent to go systemic in a week using very little
3) RU is no longer working for me at all - i'm dumping on close to 150mg a day, maybe more - 11 years seems to be the shelf life for me

I need to find something else to add, I guess another AA. This just feels like the end of the road for me. Maybe ORM? Another poster seems to think that works.

Virtually ZERO MtF's use estriol for anything and maybe 5% use estrone, which is usually used by advocates of the Power's method which is Rube Goldberg-esque in complexity and involves rectal administration of P4. It kind of bewilders us when you guys use estriol cause estriol is probably too weak to do anything unless you use massive quantities of it, meaning mixing your own, I suppose. RU is a waste of time for people who can use finasteride and min. I think that P4 might be a better med to mess around with as it might have effects that are positive on hair but it also might promote facial feminization.

My program and experiences were very similar to yours in that regular finasteride and min and duta all stopped working overnight it appears.

I recommend that you consider oral minoxidil, derma-rolling, P4 and estradiol. I also use an AA not often mentioned called provera which for me has only good effects and no sides. If you want to block most breast growth then look into Serms. Virtually none of the experimental stuff does anything except burn a hole in your pocket. I don't even bother with most of those threads because those folks are not actually trying to grow hair. They are doing research which is quite valuable to the cohort of the future but maybe one or two of them are seeing any results and those results are anecdotal and unscientific in terms of replication since they know what they are taking and no one is using the same stack. Weights of the subjects differ as does the type of hair loss. Only double-blind studies are valid except in the case where something appears to work for virtually everyone like oral minoxidil which is ultra easy to get and ultra cheap to use, literally pennies a day. Loniten is not expensive either but drizzling one to 15 drops daily of liquid minoxidil down the throat or taking Loniten (which is hard to find or get) works better and more rapidly albeit less comprehensively than does even estradiol.