Over masturbation most possibly can accelerate male pattern baldness in genetically susceptibles

[abcdefg]

I dont know. How do you explain people that have sex all the time that are genetically susceptible to balding (Most men) that still have most of their hair at older ages despite that? If they were genetically susceptible you would assume their hair loss would be fast and furious from all that sex but its not the case. Most importantly there is no strong evidence to support this theory. Most of the studies on this kind of thing are small and poorly done
Even with a chemical like CB or AAs the dose for acne isnt strong enough to stop male pattern baldness usually it takes a very powerful dose to get changes. It doesnt seem major androgen alterations would happen long term from this.

 

[dps]

mmm abcdefg...

you are wrong.

athelets who regularly abstain from any sexual activity display hormonal level and androgen level of an 8 year old kid.
that is a MAJOR alteration of androgen level. 8 year olds are very good at growing hair.

 

[californiaoceans911]

I thought monks shave their heads as a sign of rebirth.

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There is no money in doing a study on nofap so why would there be one? We are doing the study ourselves. Fred said there were already guys that have tried and failed. I want to see the proof of that. All I ever read are guys that tried for a couple months and caved. I'm saying you need to do it just as long as any other hair loss treatment.

You're not doing a study, you're doing anecdotal "experimentation" if it can even be called that. It doesn't matter whether there is proof that it failed, it only matters that there is no proof that it works. Several of you NoFAP supporters just don't get this concept.

I think most of us are on the same page. I don't expect to see results and doubt it would work. But since I wanted to do this anyway I might as well document the hair factor part of it. It's as easy as taking a photo every week. No big deal.

On a side note everyone needs to stop calling each other retards and telling each other they are unintelligent. Most of us are grown men. This isn't grade school.

You're new here, you don't understand how this is not the first NoFAP thread that we have had banned. Over and over and over we get these threads closed because it is simply horsesh*t and confuses new members into thinking that NoFAP can help them.

I ****ed up again , shame on me , I'd better remove this counter.

edit : I'll tell you about my hair tomorrow or the day after (if it did fall out more than usual)

edit 2 : @fredthebelgian & his cronies , if you have any disobliging comments please keep them for yourselves , because right now I am quite pissed off , I've taken this thing so tragically that it's like I am mourning someone.

Again, hair loss is not something that happens overnight, this is a proven fact. Jacking off after 45 days of NoFAP will not cause your hair to fall out. Plus you have a hormone related condition. You need to stop doing NoFAP and return to normal healthy human habits until you and your doctor figure out what's wrong with you.

It really worries me that you continue NoFAP while you are sick like this. I hope you have informed your general physician or endocrinologist that you're doing this to yourself.

I think he's upset for more reasons than just hair. The nofap community makes you reset the counter every time you give in. It's pretty harsh. But the reality of the matter is you have still made progress by reducing the amount of times you do it in a day/week/month etc. I don't feel any shame in it myself the previous times I've attempted it and relapsed. I personally like the challenge and not having p**rn as a distraction. I've seen plenty of it in my life. My wank bank has so many images it could fulfill a hundred men's fantasies for 5 years if needed.

Also never understood why people download and save p**rn. It's 2014, that sh*t is streamed for free on numerous websites. Why the hell do you still have a hard downloaded copy of p**rn? Obsess much?

sorry fred but it is not healthy and is very very harmful.
I wont bother explaining why it is so to someone who is not capable of understanding basic spirituality and is bound to think as scientists tell him to think.

Wrong, masturbation is quite healthy. Psychotic levels of over-masturbation (multiple times a day) could be unhealthy yes.

Just LOL.

Fred is incapable of paying a compliment. He only puts people down that don't follow his beliefs over and over again. He's a very negative person.

Again no, people are just sick of this NoFAP thread bullsh*t (see above comment).

 

[californiaoceans911]

mmm abcdefg...

you are wrong.

athelets who regularly abstain from any sexual activity display hormonal level and androgen level of an 8 year old kid.
that is a MAJOR alteration of androgen level. 8 year olds are very good at growing hair.

They also have tiny weiners and think girls have cooties. Good luck with that bro.

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I like that the nay sayers just won't quit. Something that has a strong chemical release could very well have an effect on physiological effects of the body. My hair loss would make much more sense for me if it was over masturbation that caused it. It didn't hit me until I could watch p**rn videos...

Correlation =/= causation.

 

[abcdefg]

I simply dont believe that. Where are the studies or proof? You guys are making these claims not me.

"there are plenty of evidence to show over fapping is not healthy and is harmful.
and all the evidence you will bring to claim the contrary are flawed in their core, therefor nothing will change your mind."

"mmm abcdefg...

you are wrong.

athelets who regularly abstain from any sexual activity display hormonal level and androgen level of an 8 year old kid.
that is a MAJOR alteration of androgen level. 8 year olds are very good at growing hair."

 

[californiaoceans911]

I simply dont believe that. Where are the studies or proof? You guys are making this claim not me.

What was this in reference to?

 

[abcdefg]

What was this in reference to?

Any of it. Are there any studies in this entire thread? I mean opinions are like butts everyone got one. Backup your claim? If I come in here and say swimming causes male pattern baldness I would need some studies to be taken seriously, I think I have ever seen one poorly done study on a small sample that suggested frequency of sex somehow corrolated to androgen levels but it wasnt very well done. I would take the propecia phase 3 double blind 5 year study anyday

 

[dehoha]

I have to echo what Notcoolanymore asked. According to your "theories", does one relapse really reverses the supposed effects on the hair? I ask because you seem to be the only user that has posted pics on the nofap process, which even if it proves nothing it says you are trying.

I think this is the main problem with nofap. Even if it did anything, will all efforts get wasted in one fapping? Will our hair get destroyed in just one fap? The only way to answer these questions is to get blood tested everytime you fap or don't fap for a significant period of time, which is a lot of money and effort. The simple evidence of "I felt hair tingling after one fap in 30 days" is definitely not good enough.

On the other hand, when I did no fap for 43 days, one fap definitely did not cause major damage (opposite of pros I mentioned in earlier post). It actually felt really good when I finally relapsed. However, one thing that got me afterward was addiction. Once I relapsed, I had difficult time controlling my impulse again. I am sure overmasturbation is not beneficial, but moderate masturbation is not harmful either.

 

[californiaoceans911]

Any of it. Are there any studies in this entire thread? I mean opinions are like butts everyone got one. Backup your claim? If I come in here and say swimming causes male pattern baldness I would need some studies to be taken seriously, I think I have ever seen one poorly done study on a small sample that suggested frequency of sex somehow corrolated to androgen levels but it wasnt very well done. I would take the propecia phase 3 double blind 5 year study anyday

I, among many others, have reverberated this numerous times. However, some of the members of this forum have brains that do not run on logic. They claim that NoFAP will halt hair loss, yet provide no proof.

 

[californiaoceans911]

I like reading peoples come backs and noting how much they misinterpret everything. At least Fred has intelligent responses. California is missing the point...

No dumb dumb, you're missing the point. Keep living your life on "what if"s. I'll stick to the things that are proven to work.

 

[californiaoceans911]

I'm to lazy to point out all of the errors you've made. I don't know why you have such a beef with this theory but I find it hilarious that you and others do. I will do my thing you do yours. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, sure, you're just too lazy. See the problem is you're not just doing your thing, you're perpetuating this silly notion that NoFAP may help you. Considering the Finasteride fear mongering that takes place online, this leads people to think that they should try NoFAP before going on finasteride. You're doing a disservice to those who come to this forum. That is why we have a problem with it. Obviously, you're too daft to understand that.

 

[frenchy]

http://theantifeminist.com/a-short-...-p**rn-is-like-heroin-addiction-pop-sci-meme/

anti-feminist obscure blog, must be legit

 

[mr.patches]

On the contrary. Finasteride is poison. It's one thing to not have sides while on it but to get sides upon quitting it is just wrong. The drug really messed me up bad. I don't get pleasure with orgasms anymore. Before it was like feeling paradise and total bliss where my mind just shot off for 15 seconds and felt amazing. Now it feels like I could do calculus in my head while I'm orgasming because I feel nothing anymore.

When I quit I had a 2 to 3 week feeling of awesomeness. Then I just crashed and went downhill from there. I'm way better than I was, but I don't think I will ever be the way I should be.

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For the record, a wank bank was referring to my internal memory in my brain. I have zero p**rn on my computer. Guess I'm not too lazy to correct you after all.

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Fred - you should check out yourbrainonporn.com. Watching p**rn is not natural for a man. Masturbating is sure but I don't need to do it anymore.

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If you want the evidence you will have to google masturbation and hair loss and read the countless testimonials out there. Like I said there isn't going to be an official "study" on it because there is nothing to gain financially from it and would be near impossible to have the proper controls on it. What we are doing I consider to be a study of sorts. Our own experiment. With ourselves. No need to be condescending and bash it. It's not a pub med study, but still a study, however small it may be. If you don't like it you don't have to follow the nofap threads. We would appreciate it if the camp that "knows" it doesn't work would stay out of our hair

I don't watch p**rn because I realized is a waste of time and it did not pleased me that much in the end tbh. There are more personal, rather moral reasons I don't fall to that junk anymore.

With that said, I watched p**rn for years and probably seen all kinds of it from all angles. Needless to say my brain is not damaged because of it and I am also happy that my physiology is functioning properly despite choking the chicken all of those years.

Now lets go back to the actual topic: what does all of this has to do with hair loss? Nothing, because I can attest I'm losing (hopefully slowing it!) my hair regardless.

 

[frenchy]

I don't watch p**rn because I realized is a waste of time and it did not pleased me that much in the end tbh. There are more personal, rather moral reasons I don't fall to that junk anymore.

With that said, I watched p**rn for years and probably seen all kinds of it from all angles. Needless to say my brain is not damaged because of it and I am also happy that my physiology is functioning properly despite choking the chicken all of those years.

Now lets go back to the actual topic: what does all of this has to do with hair loss? Nothing, because I can attest I'm losing (hopefully slowing it!) my hair regardless.

so for you it's the absolutely proof that, to quote the title of the topic, the statement "Over masturbation can possibly accelerate male pattern baldness in geneticaly susceptibles peoples" is wrong ?

 

[mr.patches]

so for you it's the absolutely proof that, to quote the title of the topic, the statement "Over masturbation can possibly accelerate male pattern baldness in geneticaly susceptibles peoples" is wrong ?

lol that last part was actually a sort of yank comment but whatever.

I can't say it's wrong because there is nothing that claims it's right. All we are getting is a bunch of started threads by a bunch of Nofap trolls with the same theory over and over again, and all of the threads go nowhere. Enlighten me then, why keep beating the dead horse?

 

[frenchy]

lol that last part was actually a sort of yank comment but whatever.

I can't say it's wrong because there is nothing that claims it's right. All we are getting is a bunch of started threads by a bunch of Nofap trolls with the same theory over and over again, and all of the threads go nowhere. Enlighten me then, why keep beating the dead horse?

Well like Drop Dead Fred (i think it was him) said there are some reports of decrease shedding
Somes aspects of the theory are quite intresting imo
I try it for health/sexual purposes, get rid of p**rn-addictition too
Nothing to loose adding a life habbit to my regimen despite of what Fred said
not sure it will does anything for my hair , and even if it does it will be almost impossible to quantify and demonstrate a decrease in shedding, just "beating the dead horse" for me so.
At least we dont come here trolling that "it defenetly play a role ..." or it has nothing to do with it..." (unlike you yeah) without any proof, we are just debating and making a trial

 

[californiaoceans911]

On the contrary. Finasteride is poison. It's one thing to not have sides while on it but to get sides upon quitting it is just wrong. The drug really messed me up bad. I don't get pleasure with orgasms anymore. Before it was like feeling paradise and total bliss where my mind just shot off for 15 seconds and felt amazing. Now it feels like I could do calculus in my head while I'm orgasming because I feel nothing anymore.

When I quit I had a 2 to 3 week feeling of awesomeness. Then I just crashed and went downhill from there. I'm way better than I was, but I don't think I will ever be the way I should be.

If you want the evidence you will have to google masturbation and hair loss and read the countless testimonials out there. Like I said there isn't going to be an official "study" on it because there is nothing to gain financially from it and would be near impossible to have the proper controls on it. What we are doing I consider to be a study of sorts. Our own experiment. With ourselves. No need to be condescending and bash it. It's not a pub med study, but still a study, however small it may be. If you don't like it you don't have to follow the nofap threads. We would appreciate it if the camp that "knows" it doesn't work would stay out of our hair

Well I'm sorry that you don't feel like you used to, but you can't say it is from the finasteride because a whole slew of things may have happened while you were on it. If finasteride was poison, as you claim it is, there would be tens upon hundreds of thousands of people that would be reporting this to the FDA. It isn't poison, perhaps the one claim you can make is that a very, VERY small percentage of men experience problems while on (or after) taking it.

Sorry but I don't consider google to be my source of evidence. Countless testimonials add up to d*ck. They mean nothing. If testimonials meant anything then I would make the claim that the slap chop and shamwow are the most amazing products man has ever seen. Just for your information, a study may or may not have been done because well maybe the hypothesis is just f*ckin dumb bro. Not every study is funded by a for-profit company just so you know, and so you can stop saying that over and over.

I don't like your study and I don't want to follow your bullsh*t thread, so stop posting them in the general men's hairloss discussion. At the very minimum take this load of crap to the alternative treatments section...where hey guess the f*ck what...a NoFAP thread ALREADY EXISTS.

QED

 

[frenchy]

I don't like your study and I don't want to follow your bullsh*t thread

no offense bro but nobody ask you to follow it

 

[maher]

I don't like your study and I don't want to follow your bullsh*t thread, so stop posting them in the general men's hairloss discussion. At the very minimum take this load of crap to the alternative treatments section...where hey guess the f*ck what...a NoFAP thread ALREADY EXISTS.

QED

Someone has forgot to take their medications today.

 

[californiaoceans911]

no offense bro but nobody ask you to follow it

Someone has forgot to take their medications today.

Both of you rejects know I'm right which is why you have nothing to say other than try to be smart asses. Keep holding that jizz in boys, make that attempt to revert back to 8 years. When you go bald the rest of us who aren't morons will just sit here and laugh.