New Dermaroller Study; Thoughts, comments?

[super]

The difference was huge in my daily life, i look a lot less bald, the growing in the temples are not in those pictures, they have grown too. And now i am seeing differences in my daily life faster. It takes time for the treatment to start working (and now that i am doing twice a month i am excited to see how i will be in some months). My hairline progressed in the crown too, but overall i also saw a big change in volume. You can see the volume changes in the second pair of pictures.

 

[TheShopKeeper]

I've been rolling for around 4 weeks and one thing I haven't been experiencing is the shedding of dead skin. I bleed like a b**ch majority of where I roll using a 1.5mm.

Have you all experienced some kind of dead skin peeling off? Is this what needs to happen in order for results?

 

[squeegee]

I've been rolling for around 4 weeks and one thing I haven't been experiencing is the shedding of dead skin. I bleed like a b**ch majority of where I roll using a 1.5mm.

Have you all experienced some kind of dead skin peeling off? Is this what needs to happen in order for results?

Yes! continue what your are doing.. you are accelerating keratinization which is a good thing. Roll it! Peel it!

 

[Jacob]

I've been rolling for around 4 weeks and one thing I haven't been experiencing is the shedding of dead skin. I bleed like a b**ch majority of where I roll using a 1.5mm.

Have you all experienced some kind of dead skin peeling off? Is this what needs to happen in order for results?

I don't notice anything. It could be because of my years of using NanoFibrin(and/or other topicals) and/or the use of the HairSonic- could be happening and it's just being washed off when shampoo'n(when I use the HairSonic).

 

[karankaran]

The difference was huge in my daily life, i look a lot less bald, the growing in the temples are not in those pictures, they have grown too. And now i am seeing differences in my daily life faster. It takes time for the treatment to start working (and now that i am doing twice a month i am excited to see how i will be in some months). My hairline progressed in the crown too, but overall i also saw a big change in volume. You can see the volume changes in the second pair of pictures.

Yeah , man.... I am hoping to see the same result... I am balding majorly from the crown , there is still hair left , infact if i take close pictures lots of hair rather ban being completely clean but not dense enough and it shows as a clear difference from the other dense areas of my hair... I am hoping that in six months and it is a dream that I might get the density back and my scalp will stop showing...

 

[ganonford]

Out of despair some even turned into the ultimate degeneracy: bukkake.

I LOVE BUKKAKE YEAHHH!!!

 

[squeegee]

http://www.dermaviduals.com.au/Dermal-Rolling.html

Good read on the phases of healing with the derma roller.

Proliferative Phase (3-5 Days) The first responders recruit the repair cells – fibroblasts and endothelial and epithelial cells. New blood vessels are formed (angiogenesis) to replace the damaged ones and to act as a transport for building materials and removal of waste from building new tissue. Initially there is an over abundance of blood vessels to cope with the increased oxygen demands of the repair process. Eventually they are destroyed once they are not required A wound must be hastily closed so new collagen type III is produced to form granulation tissue.



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I LOVE BUKKAKE YEAHHH!!!

 

[odalbak]

I have read this thread from page 1 , so do not oink... I have never criticized anybody's results, infact results are more than welcome, I am a fan of princessrambo's findings, what that guy was asking is if we can have a results thread.... I have contributed to this thread by sharing my insights.... do not act as if you ****ing own this place or thread....regarding me being dumb , you socialist piece of ****. for you being intelligent means - just saying yes to everything people like you say.... and btw i am a graduate student at one of the best universities in the world and I do not need a certificate from you regarding my intelligence.... summing everything in two words , **** off...

I'm sure you're bright, dude. Just don't put a slight bit of **** on this thread. It's a sacred place. We'll need it to find motivation to wound ourselves for months and months.

and let me have fun watching your shutdown mess.

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I LOVE BUKKAKE YEAHHH!!!

Ha Ha… :salut:

 

[super]

Yeah , man.... I am hoping to see the same result... I am balding majorly from the crown , there is still hair left , infact if i take close pictures lots of hair rather ban being completely clean but not dense enough and it shows as a clear difference from the other dense areas of my hair... I am hoping that in six months and it is a dream that I might get the density back and my scalp will stop showing...

In my experience, it takes time to get results. But doing like twice a month will probably, if things happen like they did to me, stop you from loosing more hair in like one or two months, after that i experienced a slow and steady regrowth. But in the past months (i started going there more often, doing the procedure to the entire scalp almost and i think this treatment progresses faster with time) i have been seeing faster regrowth. As i said before, idk if having more blood flows helps to heal better and faster and this healing is giving more hair, but the fact is that now i am noticing faster regrowth.

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I am not noticing skin shedding, maybe i am washing it away, idk. And to those who didn't read my history back a lot of pages, my doctor also uses a peeling formula before doing the rolling. Actually, i do the procedure now after 14 days because my skin needs time to recover from the peeling, not the rolling.

 

[ganonford]

I am not noticing skin shedding, maybe i am washing it away, idk. And to those who didn't read my history back a lot of pages, my doctor also uses a peeling formula before doing the rolling. Actually, i do the procedure now after 14 days because my skin needs time to recover from the peeling, not the rolling.

Do you know what does he uses for the peeling?.

 

[closetmetrosexual]

BTW Guys, if you use 50% TCA peel it will reach the lower part of dermis , this can break fibrosis like nothing but might be dangerous coz of scarring...

How about a 20% TCA peel?

I've got some lovely TCA crystals sitting in a tub in my cupboard next to me...

 

[super]

Do you know what does he uses for the peeling?.

I have no idea. They make their own formula there. I know this is one of the strong ones, because i only wait for like 1 minute and have to wash. It acts pretty quickly.

 

[karankaran]

For those who cannot deal with pain, here is a suggestion : order some GOOD ANESTHETIC CREAM FROM AMAZON like ELMA and Order saran wrap. You have to apply the cream (a thick layer) and cover it with the wrap for a minimum of one hour before you derma roll with say >=1.5 mm. You have to wound yourself just once in a week. so your cream will last long.

 

[closetmetrosexual]

I saw curcumin, topically, mentioned. It's something that's in one of the Elsom topicals I use. Yes, it "stains"..is very yellow. But it washes out in the morning.

That yellow stain will not wash out the next morning, trust me. (I did try this)

But I did see someone post about 'white' curcumin.
I forgot which hairloss forum I read it in. it was 2 days ago. It was either this thread or the IH forum.
The white curcumin will not stain, apparently.

 

[squeegee]

How about a 20% TCA peel?

I've got some lovely TCA crystals sitting in a tub in my cupboard next to me...

stick with the roller.. play it safe. TCA is effin crazy and doesn't built up new capillaries..

 

[jason5]

Ok. So i went to my doctor and finally got the CD with the pictures. Since they don't care lots about taking pictures, the pictures that were taken 3 months after i started are good, the others not so much. I have good pictures from July also, so i will use the ones from 3 months after the beggining of the treatment (first time they took pictures) and the ones from 1 year and one month after. So, the pictures that will be seeing here are from June 08th, 2012 and July, 27th, 2013

Important Facts

- We didn't start doing the dermarolling on all my scalp and temples from the start. We only started doing the rolling REALLY hard (we already took blood from the start, but now we do it harder) and in the whole scalp in January. I also only started using minoxidil in December. So my results got a lot better from january on. And now my hair is even better, it is getting better way faster now. I think i will be able to take new pictures in the same place in 1 month to see the differences. I bet my hair improved a lot since July.

- As i said before. My hair was falling fast (finasteride was NOT stopping it) till i started doing the procedure. This means i did not only experienced regrowth, the treatment prevented me from going completely bald. If it didn't stop my hair from falling, i would be completely (or almost completely) bald by now.

- I only did the procedure 1x per month, sometimes only after 1.5 month. So, the pictures were 1 year apart, but things were VERY slow. Now i am doing it twice a month and the results are coming very fast, i am seeing comestic improvements constantly. In the studies, the procedure only started to work after 6 procedures had been done. This would be like 7 months to me (the way i was doing before), and i only started minoxidil way later, so, that is why i think the results are faster now.

Results

The pictures are not exactly in the same position, but in this you can see a pretty good regrowth on my crown area (pretty sure it is way better now);

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Now pictures from the top. Here you can see a lot more volume on the top and overall:

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And here there are the microscope pictures i said my doctor took last time. You can see all kinds of new hair growing (some really new, some not so much and also full grown hair) in my crown area. This was taken also before the procedure, so you can see a lot of tiny holes where new hair may or may not start growing.

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Well, that is it. There are pictures from the procedures too (when we didn't do as much damage as we do now) that i could share. I think there is a video on the cd too. When i have more time i will check.

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I have been saying and no one believes me. This **** works, if done properly.

Have to be honest here, but it's difficult for me to see which one is the after or before. There is one thing you can be sure of, is that you maintained. So congrats on that.

 

[closetmetrosexual]

I've been rolling for around 4 weeks and one thing I haven't been experiencing is the shedding of dead skin. I bleed like a b**ch majority of where I roll using a 1.5mm.

Have you all experienced some kind of dead skin peeling off? Is this what needs to happen in order for results?

I only experienced skin shedding the first time I did heavy rolling. Nothing since...

This worries my a bit. People like Squegee are shedding skin non-stop - and are seeing results. 8O

This makes me want to to TCA peels every other week. (first week heavy rolling, second week a TCA peel)

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my doctor also uses a peeling formula before doing the rolling. Actually, i do the procedure now after 14 days because my skin needs time to recover from the peeling, not the rolling.

Wait.
Could you elaborate on this, please?

- What kind of peel does your Doctor give you?
- When is the peel done?
- When is the rolling/needling done?


I'm trying to figure out if I can do peels myself, and somehow incorporate those peels into my dermarolling routine (without damaging my scalp for life)
Your information might just be what I need to go ahead with all of this.

Thanks.

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TCA is effin crazy and doesn't built up new capillaries..

Any other kind if peels you would recommend? Glycolic acid?
Don't they all do the same, at the end of the day? (just more of less powerfully)

 

[squeegee]

Closet, I shed skin like an iguana already with derma rolling. It is safe and build up new capillaries. You should stick with the derma rolling business.. just roll it harder! LOL Glycolic Acid peel can be add-on as well.. I am tempted to try it but I am at day 4 and my scalp is still full of yellow dead skin which is good. By rolling hard, you are activating Epidermal Growth Factors and speed up Keratinization which is slowed down in the presence of Androgen. According to Wikipedia.. the same Growth Factors help the migration of progenitor stem cell..

The majority of progenitor cells lie dormant or possess little activity in the tissue in which they reside. They exhibit slow growth and their main role is to replace cells lost by normal attrition. In case of tissue injury, damaged or dead cells, progenitor cells can be activated. Growth factors or cytokines are two substances that trigger the progenitors to mobilize toward the damaged tissue.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progenitor_cell

 

[DesperateOne]

So if one were to use a peel, how many days would it need to heal. Also, after the peel, I think the sun would be a good idea to avoid.

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For those who cannot deal with pain, here is a suggestion : order some GOOD ANESTHETIC CREAM FROM AMAZON like ELMA and Order saran wrap. You have to apply the cream (a thick layer) and cover it with the wrap for a minimum of one hour before you derma roll with say >=1.5 mm. You have to wound yourself just once in a week. so your cream will last long.

Are you using this technique yourself? Plastic eh, sounds fancy

 

[squeegee]

So if one were to use a peel, how many days would it need to heal. Also, after the peel, I think the sun would be a good idea to avoid.

Everybody reacts differently, we all have different skin type...try it.. All I know is you need to start with smaller % and increasing it gradually.