Nene said:
Bryan said:
Nene said:
I also find Bryan's love of Dr. Proctor's products strange.
Why do you find it strange?
I find it strange b/c you're very knowledgeable and you seem to rely heavily on studies.
I rely on studies when I can, but there are no studies for Proxiphen or Prox-N. I have to go by the good results I got from 2 years of Prox-N usage, and the fact that (as I've said many times) I trust Dr. Proctor, and have no reason to doubt his honesty or medical judgement.
Nene said:
You are very quick to discount Dr. Lee's products due to lack of studies...
I've really only discounted just ONE of Dr. Lee's claims, and that's the one where he says that azelaic acid works as a topical 5a-reductase inhibitor. I've seen a claim in the medical literature which contradicts that, and I've seen other studies from the use of topical azelaic acid in humans which discount it, too. I think the fact that Dr. Lee refused to face me in a serious debate on another Web site on the accuracy of his claim speaks volumes about him.
Other than that one very dubious issue, I've actually spoken rather highly of his products on occasion. Just recently in another thread, I recommended to someone who was having problems with irritation from topical minoxidil that he try Dr. Lee's version which is free of propylene glycol.
Nene said:
...yet you said Proxn is better than rogaine which I think is preposterous.
I don't recall saying anything about that recently on this site, although I do think it's probably true. Rogaine may possibly be better in the short-term, but I'm pretty sure that Prox-N is better in the long-term. I have no idea at all why you think that's "preposterous".
Nene said:
Not to say Proxn doesn't work, if you say it helped you, I'll take you at your word. That being said, I've never heard of any studies saying it works as well as minoxidil and I'm surprised you'd be so quick to make such a bold statement based on your own anecdotal evidence when you rely heavily on science normally.
I think Dr. Proctor would probably agree with what I said, and he's looked at the results of a LOT more people using these products (Rogaine, Prox-N, and Proxiphen) than you or I.