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Koray Erdogan, Istanbul - 3070 Grafts Fue

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  1. JeanLucBB

    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    Introduction

    Right, so after about two years of waiting I finally gave in and hopped on 0.25mg along with nizoral 2% late last year. I’d long been expecting to get a transplant eventually, but after comfortably settling on finasteride despite the negative attitude to young guys with transplants I decided at 22 that potential surgery issues and risks are the same for everyone no matter what age, and that my attitude towards my hair-loss was too strenuous to deal with any longer. Time to fix this curse.


    Around a year ago I’d looked into clinics and narrowed things down across both FUT and FUE to Rahal, Hasson + Wong, Erdogan, Lupanzula and Lorenzo. Contacted Lupanzula, Wong + Hasson and Erdogan around this time and Erdogan was the only one that was happy to operate without my use of finasteride and my age at the time.


    When I came back to check around December who my options were I was solely looking at Erdogan and Rahal for their aggressive approaches. Ultimately the price quote from Rahal was almost double that with Erdogan, and additionally although they have similar consistency I found Erdogan to be a little better at using a lesser number of grafts and there is one case in which Rahal gave a transplant which ended in necrosis, which put me off somewhat.


    From the search it was clear Erdogan has more good results than any other doctor does in the world (and I’ve looked at thousands) at the lowest price of any of the top tier surgeons. I saw one bad result out of maybe 500 and the only criticisms offered were that his hairlines were too aggressive. This typically came from other doctors too incompetent to do dense packing or braindead patients from mediocre American FUT surgeons saying how genius it was to be “conservative” despite having the hairline of a 50 year old and in their lifetime never going through more than half of their donor area. The other criticism was that the surgery is largely tech driven, which it is, but this is the same worldwide and doesn’t affect results if the techs are well trained, so who cares? Cheap surgeon with consistent, and top end results, so I booked the first date I could for April 7th in late December.


    Day 1

    Arriving at Attaturk airport from Australia after 20 hours of flights, I was contacted by Sevinj the patient coordinator who said the driver was waiting in the exit. After a little minor trouble with finding the right exit, (there are a few) there was a 45 minute or so drive to the clinic, upon which you’ll notice how insanely busy and chaotic their roads and traffic are. What is considered a near accident in Australia seems commonplace there every few minutes. Sevinj greeted me at ASMED just outside the lobby that is incredibly gorgeous and modern in itself, and made to wrap my shoes which was a nice touch for hygiene standards. One of the first things you will notice is the incredibly gorgeous women that work in this place, it almost feels like they’ve gone to a modelling agency, hired half of their models and trained them up for various roles. You are appointed a translator, in my case Sevval who was very sweet and helpful and then given blood, and heartrate tests. I was shown around the rest of the clinic which is equally beautiful and my room in one of the ASMED suites was very convenient, however I did miss the Radisson Blue food which I have heard others praise quite a bit. Instead, my translator typically ordered me take out delivered to my door.


    For my interview with Koray, he asked me a few banterish questions about Australia and spiders before moving to the serious stuff. Definitely has a nice quirk and sense of humour about him and was making a few of the techs have a good laugh prior to my surgery. He mainly questioned about my use of propecia and suggested I keep it up, and estimated my donor capacity and hair thickness (9650 and 55 microns). The first hairline he drew for me was a little too pointed in my opinion and not the natural state of my old line, so I asked him to make it a little more rounded and on second attempt, it was pretty much perfect. Definitely liked that he was very open to suggestions. He said I needed about 3000 grafts for the area and I asked if he could shove in another 1000 densely packed in. He said he could, however we would need two days, so I settled with the 3000.


    After this I came down for pre-op photos, a shave (which for me was fairly horrific) and then pre-op post-shave pics. Again you’ll notice how gorgeous and modern the clinic looks and the stunningness of the women working around the place, which never gets old. I also met another 3 guys having the surgery on the same day as me and was given drugs for surgery by the anaesthetist Dr Umad who seems kind of scary at first, but has an amusing dry sense of humour.



    Day 2

    Despite being asked to wake by 7 am for the surgery, you’ll easily be woken by the loudspeaker Islamic call to prayers at around 5:30 am. Went for a big breakfast, took a Xanax (which was really great) and some other drug and was sat down in quite a comfortable extraction chair. They gave an ipad to watch films on during most of the surgery and it was actually fairly relaxing. The main issue with the surgery is the multiple anaesthetic injections which I needed every hour or so and were fairly horrific. Probably a 7/10 on the pain scale. Towards the end of my extractions I’m fairly sure the anaesthetic had almost completely worn off and I was feeling the entire punch, but I didn’t ask for any more needles because they’re slightly more painful than the extraction itself. You get to watch the live coverage of graft statistics on a screen as well which is fun. In between this 3 hour stage they give a nice lunch, pasta with beef chunks along with jelly, soup, bread and bean salad.

    When Koray came in for the incisions he instantly brings a liveliness to the room and the nurses love his banter. He was joking about nicknames he had given them and got me to give him the English name for big bird which he had given as the name for one of the larger tech ladies. The incisions are actually the nicest part, you hear a nice scrape sound from the blade which if you are a fan of ASMR might like. Implantations are the worst part, very monotonous and at this stage the entire head is needed regular anaesthetic injections and beginning to throb a bit.


    They finished at around 4:00 PM after starting at 7:30 and did 3070 grafts all up. They gave me an extra 50 as a surprise which the head tech did the incisions, and implantations for at the very end. If I had one recommendation to others going through the surgery, I would say get constant injections AS SOON as you feel pain. In my case I was waiting too long and the new injections were quite painful in themselves. If you ask for them regularly then you never have to experience this and the increasing pain level over time.


    Day 3

    Before packing up ready to head off, I got a first wash with their foam and shampoo by one of the hair washing goddesses and some post-op photos. I left at around 2:30 pm incredibly satisfied with the experience (as of yet); everyone was incredibly nice, the clinic is beautiful, my translator Sevval was particularly sweet and the service was top notch overall.

    Currently I’m 3 days post-op and swelling is pretty bad, I have bruises around my eyes and look like a mongoloid but both the recipient and donor area are looking pretty good. A bit of minor throbbing and pain in the donor area in particular but nothing terrible.



    Here are a bunch of the main stats:


    3070 grafts – Hair/Graft ratio: 2.47
    Total Donor Area – 9650
    Average Hair Thickness – 55 microns


    Singles - 277
    Doubles - 1326
    Triples - 1201
    Quadruples - 240
    Quintuples - 26
    Sextuples - 0


    They’ve given me the pics on a nice ASMED USB that I’ll post when I get back. Hopefully things will turn out alright and its only upwards from here.
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    sunchyme1 Senior Member My Regimen

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    looks good

    how much did this cost you?

    hows it going with the finasteride? you happy to take it for the rest of your life? or at least a decent portion of it?
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    7500 euros all up and $1200 AUD on the flights.

    The finasteride is fine at the moment and I'm not planning on stopping although to be honest the experience was so pleasant that in a few years if I felt like going back to fill in any more hairline density and do some crown work I wouldn't mind at all.
     
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    sunchyme1 Senior Member My Regimen

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    i just looked through your posting history. you said you got bad sides at 1mg, hence the 0.25 your taking now. any sides at all with it at this dosage?

    a bit of personal question, but at 23 thats quite a lot of money. how did you finance it?

    also your hair seems quite thin. you say its 55 microns. is this on the thinner side?
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    I had the finest hair out of any of the others getting the procedure on the day, although Koray said it was about average. Also I'm 22, and I'd had about 50 grand in long term savings and my parents agreed to pay half, which is only fair seeing as they gave me shite genetics.

    The 1mg was a once off dose I took over 18 months ago, I don't really consider it a genuine attempt now and think the sides may have been in my head. Had mild ball tingle at first on 0.25mg and my hair hasn't got worse so I suspect it is working, and this time I have no sides. Also notable I'd lost quite a bit of weight since my first dose and also work out consistently so my T levels should be quite a bit higher.
     
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    sunchyme1 Senior Member My Regimen

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    well good luck mate

    hope you post some 1 year pics if you still around.
     
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    spring15 Experienced Member My Regimen

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    Should be a killer result. Turkish women in general are stunning, probably because we don't see many down under. That religious singing at random times was kind of creepy. Yeah traffic is so crazy, I saw some dude walking on the highway selling random shit, and like two crashes. Everyone is so rude (obviously not at the clinic) but its normal over there, I loved it in the end. Want to go back for a holiday
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    1 week post-op

    Finally had a few scabs on the recipient area come off today. I think I've been a little too gentle on the shampooing technique but am a bit more confident with it now. Donor looking nice I think.
     

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    michel sapin Senior Member My Regimen

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    you apply minoxidil to your crown and hairline?
    result will be great.
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    Just a tiny dose to the problem area in the crown. I get sides with more than 0.5 ml. TBH though I'm thinking I'd rather just get another transplant for it in the future, my main concern was losing the frame to my face with the hairline. Don't mind too much the vertex thinning and the midscalp is still ok and getting better on finasteride.
     
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    Jesus... those results will be amazing. I need to see Erdogan ASAP.
     
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    Can't believe you healed so fucking well
     
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    Gonna be a killer result, looks like you're healing quickly too. Have you booked a while off work to recover as much as possible?
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    Originally asked for 4 work days off which included 2 flight days there and back but as soon as I got home ended up asking for another 3. Definitely needed a full week off after the procedure.
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    10 day photos that I sent back to the clinic in harsh light. Still a little bit of scabbing. My crown is fucking awful looking at it when shaved, I'll probably go back when I can and get 1500 grafts or so shoved in there and maybe a little more in the hairline if it needs.
     

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    now u r freeman congrats ... how do u feel now? hows life with out worry about ur hair loss ?? im 21 with dupa im fucked i know at least u guys can have hair transplant at front and get back to ur normal life im happy for u
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    Still got a long road before I know I'm in the clear with a norwood 1 and the shed should be coming in the next few week. I'll be good in 4 months when I know if it's working out or not.
     
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    what an amazing result, even nothing is visible on the donor area, it worth your money, keep updating.
     
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    How often are you washing your hair? Are you back to using Nizoral or whatever anti-dandruff shampoo you were using?
     

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