Kerry Ad ....

[MidnightFlyer]

Okay, now we know we have 2 guys who believe the Bush propaganda machine.

By the way, you really think Bush cares a sh*t about the Iraqis? If there was no oil there, would he have invaded? f*** no! He went there to finish his old man's business, AND for the oil. He could give a sh*t about what Saddam was doing to his people. If he's so concerned about humanity what's he doing about Sudan? Karl Rove wrote the script and Bush, the empty suit, follows the script.

Bush is dyslexic. He cannot process information quickly. Case in point, the 7 minutes... the man has serious maternal and paternal issues. Read the book Bush on the Couch, written by an FBI profiler. As leader of the free world he is seriously compromised.

Kerry is an idiot who blew it this week by saying that he'd make the same vote, knowing what he knows.Yes, he's an idiot, but he's tons better than Bush!

 

[The Dude]

Your arguement is the typical right wing drivel!

Nice. Apparently you missed the part where I said that I voted for democrats in the last 4 presidential elections. But feel free to label me as you like. Afterall, you obviously have no regard for facts. Taking out Saddam is the first step to a safer middle east. How many "bystanders" did Saddam kill? How many would he have continued to kill? By your rationale, I take it that you think Clinton should have left Milosevic "contained" as well, right? Get a clue.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Your arguement is the typical right wing drivel!

Nice. Apparently you missed the part where I said that I voted for democrats in the last 4 presidential elections. .

No, I caught that part, I simply didn't believe it.

peace

 

[21gone]

Iraq owes money to Russia and France so any oil that is going to be sold is not going to go without some sort of fight from both countries. Last year when I wrote a research paper on this exact subject we were currently getting well under 10% of our oil from Iraq.

 

[The Dude]

If the war was really about oil, we'd be seizing the oil (which we are not). And what about the 87 billion dollars we spent on Iraq, $20 billion of which was to build infrastructure like hospitals and schools? Does that sound like the action of a country that is trying to save money on the small amount of oil that we actually import from Iraq? We're not even asking for them to repay the 87 billion someday. Here you go, Iraq. Here is the democratic control of your own future and another 20 billion dollars to show we care. Personally, I think the oil revenues should be used to pay us back eventually.

 

[The Gardener]

I can't believe that the Republican machine would attack Kerry on his war record. I know, you right wingers will all retort back "it wasn't us, it wasn't Bush, he discredited those ads" but the fact of the matter is that those ads were funded by Republican soft money.

How hypocritical. Those unpatriotic and traitorous Republican assholes asking "well, exactly how DEEP does a wound have to be to qualify for a purple heart" whereas at that exact same time, what the f*** was Bush doing?! Flying jets over Houston to counter the impending VietCong attack on Texas? Getting drunk at night, and then getting arrested for hitting the highways of Midland under the influence.... all the while Kerry is spending that same night a continent away, in uniform, as a VOLUNTEER and not a conscript, in some mosquito-ridden bayou in Vietnam?

Bush = No Credibility, after those swiftboat ads against Kerry. Disgraceful.

 

[avri]

If the war was really about oil, we'd be seizing the oil (which we are not).

They would if they could. So they chose to be a bit more sophisticated than that. Why rob all the oil and look like a robber, when you can just give all the oil-related contracts to Cheney's Halliburton?


avri

 

[Leirro30]

I don't totally agree with us going into Iraq, especially since we really didn't have any world support. However, someone said the world would be a safer place if Saddam were still in power. Huh??? Saddam was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many of them his own countrymen. Iraq fought an eight year war with Iran in which Saddam used chemical weapons against the Iranians. When there was a Kursidh uprising in northern Iraq, Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds. When Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990, there were reports by Kuwaitis of their women being savagely raped by Saddam's troops.

These allegations are not right wing propaganda, rather they were reported by left wing liberal groups like Amnesty International and the International Red Cross. These groups were DEMANDING something be done at the time to stop this ruthlessness. Now that we finally took some action, these same groups are bemoaning the United States for torturing innocent Iraqis.

On John Kerry's Vietnam record, at least he served. He and we should be proud of the fact that he served in Vietnam, and Republicans or anyone for that matter should not attack his service record. President Bush dodged the draft no doubt, but it's funny that Democrats are getting real defensive about attacks on Kerry's service record when their last president, slick Willie, was the unltimate draft dodger and liar.

The election is about issues that are important to each individual American. Where does each candidate stand on foreign policy, domestic policy, the economy, abortion, welfare, taxes, education, religion, healthcare, law enforcement, homeland security, etc? That's what's important. That's where I favor George W. Bush.

Sorry lefties, I'm voting GOP this fall.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Sorry lefties, I'm voting GOP this fall.

Knowing what we know, after 4 years of this idiot, and you're going GOP? I consider THAT a serious character flaw. May you grow b**ch tits and lose your hair in diffuse patches. (No, just kidding about the hair and tit part)

 

[Redbone]

Being from Mass I can tell you that Kerry is a lazy piece of sh*t having done nothing for the commonwealth. Why should anything be different in the overy office?

 

[BiteMe]

Oh God...here we go again.

Look people, Those Swift Boat vets have EVERY RIGHT to have their say. They absolutely DID serve with Kerry. They were in his unit. Perhaps not on his boat, but in his unit they were.

BTW- for those of you who are clueless- Swift Boats ALWAYS operated in pairs or small groups. Most of those guys patrolled the rivers right next to Kerry...So HELL YES they have a right to state their feelings on him. And they absolutely DID server WITH John Kerry.

ALL of Kerry's commanders in Vietnam say he is UNFIT for command. A mere 12 guys Kerry served with say he is fit for command. Now listen closely to this next part... Over 250 of the sailers who served IN JOHN KERRY'S UNIT say he is *UNFIT* for command. Are you listening Liberals?

****250**** of them say he sucks as a leader.

Let's see...who should I place more gravity on 12 of Kerry's felloe servicemen or 250 of them???? Hmmmm....Geeee, what a tough call.

Guess I'll have to go with the Swift Boat vets.

Face it, you lefties are motivated by nothing more than HATRED of GWB. Says a LOT about you. You guys want to let the few speak, but are more than happy to squelch the many. How very typical of you.

Funny isn't it? The Left, which has always prided itself on acceptance and and understanding has come to live, eat, and sleep.....HATRED.

 

[Guest]

Re: Oh God...here we go again.

Let's see...who should I place more gravity on 12 of Kerry's felloe servicemen or 250 of them???? Hmmmm....Geeee, what a tough call

could I suggest that there is a pollitical bias to those who choose to join the armed forces, it is certainly true of the British army, I know little about the American military but I suspect there are less left leaning thinkers in there than there are red blooded right wing 'hang 'em high' sorts, this may explain the bias towards GW and away from Kerry amongst the ex-service men mentioned.

BiteMe, I would consider myself leftwing, (by US standards everyone is leftwing :lol: ) and you are right in thinking that some of the motivation on the left is a distrust of GWB (HATRED was the phrase you used), but your post is clearly an anti-Kerry rant which tars you with the very same brush.

I now promote you to idiot status.

 

[avri]

Indeed soldiers are predominantly Republican. Who said it was 250 vs. 12, Fox News? LOL


avri

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Re: Oh God...here we go again.

Let's see...who should I place more gravity on 12 of Kerry's felloe servicemen or 250 of them???? Hmmmm....Geeee, what a tough call.

I would certainly go for the 12 men who were actually ON THE BOAT!

I'd wager that all - or most of those 250 - are Republicans.

 

[The Gardener]

Ty - Very astute and RIGHT ON commentary.

21 gone - I would never have voted for Wesley Clark. But, I am definitely a McCain man, 100%. I pretty much love everything that guy says, and if there were anyone in American government who exactly espoused my beliefs, it is HIM. I just wish there were a more socially acceptable (i.e. no nasty temper!) version of him we could get to run.

Bite Me - Given my full fledged support of McCain, and if you read some of the other posts I have made here, you would realize that I am NOT left leaning but actually a conservative who knows mediocrity, incompetence, and cronism when he sees it. Bite me, time to give up the mindless towing of the party line and time to realize that we chose a loser in Bush. Not necessarily a loser in terms of playing to the mindless Republican base who will vote for anything that has that familiar elephant emblem on it, but a loser in terms of actual policy execution.

I would vote for Bush if he did three things, drop Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and Cheney. Rumsfeld is the main reason why I have such unfettered hatred for Bush. Personally, I think there is a nice jail cell waiting for Cheney at Leavenworth for his affairs with the Corporate Energy USA incorporated. There's a nice jail cell waiting for Rumsfeld at The Hague for his rotten policies, past and present (from Latin America and Vietnam in the 70's, Pinochet, Somoza, the old Shah of Iran, and now Iraq). All he has done is preside over heavy-handed, un-American, and FAILED policy. And as for Ashcroft, I would highly recommend him for a Justice Minister post in Robert Mugabe's cabinet. That would be a nice fit. I mean, come on here, who the f*** does he think he is detaining people indefinitely without any formal charges filed against them?! Is this America?!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Very nice post, Gardener. I also like McCain. However, one could almost hear his teeth rattling through his grin, as he stumped with Bush.

Which kind of brings this post full circle. I understand the same people who are behind the current Kerry smear campaign are also the ones who smeared McCain in the 2000 primary race in South Carolina.

McCain is being a good Teddy Roosevelt Republican, and softening Bush's image by stumping for him, but you can be that deep inside, he'd love to connect a big ol' haymaker to Bush's chin, if given just half a chance.

 

[21gone]

Just a thought how many of you would have voted for John McCain if he was a canidate, or heck even General Wesley Clark?

 

[BiteMe]

Re: Oh God...here we go again.

Let's see...who should I place more gravity on 12 of Kerry's felloe servicemen or 250 of them???? Hmmmm....Geeee, what a tough call

could I suggest that there is a pollitical bias to those who choose to join the armed forces, it is certainly true of the British army, I know little about the American military but I suspect there are less left leaning thinkers in there than there are red blooded right wing 'hang 'em high' sorts, this may explain the bias towards GW and away from Kerry amongst the ex-service men mentioned.

BiteMe, I would consider myself leftwing, (by US standards everyone is leftwing :lol: ) and you are right in thinking that some of the motivation on the left is a distrust of GWB (HATRED was the phrase you used), but your post is clearly an anti-Kerry rant which tars you with the very same brush.

I now promote you to idiot status.

Ty...get this, and get it clearly. You are in no position to level judgement on me regarding anti-Bush or anti-Kerry ANYTHING. Most of the rants here have been nothing but Bush bashing. And though you may prefer to call it "distrust"...(left wing PC-ness)... it's really HATE. Pure and simple.
Take a look around you Ty. The left squeals like struck pigs at the mere mention of GW's name. Your a hypocrite in the absolute sense of the word....

What I did was point out the validity of the Swift Boat vets position...what the rest of you have done is smash and bash George Bush. Big difference.

My previous post said that the 250 Swift boat vets deserve to be heard *just as much as the 12 who support Kerry do* These guys have laid their reputations on the line. ALL OF THEM signed legal affidavits swearing by their statements....Isn't it interesting that the 12 who support Kerry havn't???

And who gives a flying sh*t what party any of these guys are affiliated with??? Does making them a Rep, or Dem for that matter, disqualify them from the public arena? If any of the vets supporting Kerry are Dems should we automatically discount their opinion?

Military people tend to support conservatives not because of a "hang'em high" mentality you moron....they support them because conservatives make wiser judgements in their view. Is that so hard to understand?

One last thing....You can take your "idiot status" and shove it up your pussified English muffin ***....got that? :moon:

f*** you very much.

 

[avri]

Got anything to offer other than frustration and resentment?


avri

 

[BiteMe]

Ty -
Bite Me - Given my full fledged support of McCain, and if you read some of the other posts I have made here, you would realize that I am NOT left leaning but actually a conservative who knows mediocrity, incompetence, and cronism when he sees it. Bite me, time to give up the mindless towing of the party line and time to realize that we chose a loser in Bush. Not necessarily a loser in terms of playing to the mindless Republican base who will vote for anything that has that familiar elephant emblem on it, but a loser in terms of actual policy execution.

Sorry Gradner,

I flatly disagree. GW's policies have been as close to spot-on as you could expect a human being to get. Consider the scope of the task he had in front of him and reconsider your position. The man is genuine...unlike his botoxed and coiffered opponent. Real American people can relate to GW...Seems like real socialists are the only ones that can relate to Mr. Kerry.

I like McCain too...he's not as conservative as I'd prefer, but then neither is GW. I do not toe the party line. I toe a CONSERVATIVE line. I voted for Perot over Bush senior because I thought he had swayed to far away from his conservative roots....In fact GW's position on several issues kinda pisses me off (immigration anyone?) Does that sound like a party puppet to you?

In local elections here I have voted for independants just as often as Reps...In all honesty, I don't vote Dem very often. Nothing I can do about that though since Dems refuse to feild conservative candidates.

Your suggestions regarding Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest are way off base. You offer empty accusations, but that's about it. Pardon me if I offer them little weight in light of that.