Is There Actually A Correlation Between Masturbation And Increased Dht / T? My Scalp Says There Is.

[Hairfacts]

While this is very impressive it does not show a correlation between hair loss. Please note that the main cause of hair loss is not the below mentioned hormones as they are present in most males but the fact that there is an imbalance and usually related to nutritional deficencies. If you resolve the deficencies then the hair withstands the increase in normal hormonal activity post sex and masterbation.

I wrote my thoughts about this on another thread so I will copy some from there and add some new tgoughts as well..

According to abstinence studies after 7 days without ejaculation there's a big spike in Testosterone levels, but it goes back down the next day. After 3 weeks without ejaculation, T levels are slightly higher than baseline on the chart, and didn't reduce as much from Fapping, I don't know about DHT though.
this is why at one point, I was on a schedule to ejaculate every 6 days, Lol.

So, I personally believe that long term abstinence will hurt you in the end. Your body won't stop making T, and sex drive is not the only thing your body uses T for. Ifyour deprive it of orgasm and sexualthoughts long enough, eventually yourbody will probably use your T in otherways.
Look up pics of the Dali llama, He's supposed to be Abstinent. (I guess it'spossible that he's Jacking it secretly, butthat is hard to imagine to be true)
Sometimes his buzz cut is short enough to see his hairline is not complete.

Now with that said, After orgasm, Prolactin levels are elevated for about an hour. There are Prolactin receptors in scalp, andprolactin induces Catagen phase..
at least according to studies on pubmed. but I dont know if I can even believe those studies since Antydhtor had amazing regrowth while taking high doses of cypro, which is known to increase prolactin.. so maybe the anagen extending effects of estrogen is stronger than the catagen promoting effects of prolactin?
I don't know, if the one hour above baseline hasmuch effect but I imagine Jacking offEveryday, would. then that would be higherthan baseline prolactin for an houreveryday. However, Masturbation is not theSame as Sex, the prolactin release iscorrelated with the quality of the orgasm, and after sex there is 4x the level than after Masturbation.
however, prolactin is both good and bad in some ways, it reduces T and DHT and T/DHT also causecatagen/aptosis. A number of experimentaldata indicate that hyperprolactinemiainhibits the activity of 5-alpha-reductase. Prolactin also inhibits GnRH which reducesthe release of Lutenizing hormone, ( LHincreases T production) BUT I have readthat it upregulates Lutenizing Receptors inLeydig Cells( cells in testis that make T) So,it could decrease LH but increase sensitivityto LH,, and may decrease T short ter butincrease it long term...

Also, I could see abstinence from pornagraphy being beneficial maybe. And I think the way you masturbate matters to. Ifyou are spending Hours searching p*rnlooking for that perfect video, increasingyour Testosterone and then having anorgasm not as powerful as sex or powerfulenough prolactin release to counteract thatT inducing p*rn viewing. (There may be some conflictng information on if p*rnviewing increases T, I read one study somewhere that said serum T levels rose 90 minutes after p*rn viewing Withoutfapping)

https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/book/export/htm

 

[buckthorn]

There is, in fact, more to this picture then DHT and Testosterone. Please note, that DHT is not the main causality to hair loss. DHT has a longer shelf life than testosterone in the body but the resulting issues of inflammation, itching and burning on the skin shows a greater issue. I would recommend having further investigations into your overall health. There are limited studies on this topic because of the variables at play. Hair loss is most likely occurring in this instance due to an imbalance in nutrients. In this case, I would strongly suggest resolving the other issues such as nutrition before looking for DHT resolutions.

what?

 

[bridgeburn]

Hair loss is most likely occurring in this instance due to an imbalance in nutrients. In this case, I would strongly suggest resolving the other issues such as nutrition before looking for DHT resolutions.

What the f*** are you talking about??

 

[bridgeburn]

I got a feeling he's about to try to sell us monat or something

 

[Hairfacts]

I got a feeling he's about to try to sell us monat or something

I am most certainly not trying to sell Monat. As a qualified practitioner, I am speaking of facts, not emotional connections or false understandings that have been plaguing the industry for so long. A simple question to ask relative to DHT and its effect on hair loss is why does it "apparently" only affect the top section of the head on nowhere else on the body? considering DHT has clinical interactions on all follicles. The hair has already miniturised before there is an interaction with DHT. What causes the miniturisation - lack of nutrients. Have a look at the award winner for the Nobel prize for medicine.

 

[Suswang]

When you ejaculate, you lose a lot of zinc, a key mineral.

I'm sure hair loss, in many imdividuals, is tied to sexual activity, but I cannot imagine a study ever being done on it, other than an epidemiological one.

Original poster: I assume you must also suffer from seborrheic dermatitis?

 

[Hairfacts]

what?

A simple question relevant to your condition is, what is your sugar intake like? do you have other conditions such as diabetes etc? Inflammation indicates a possible autoimmune condition. If this is the case there then Finasteride wont work.

 

[Hairfacts]

When you ejaculate, you lose a lot of zinc, a key mineral.

I'm sure hair loss, in many imdividuals, is tied to sexual activity, but I cannot imagine a study ever being done on it, other than an epidemiological one.

Original poster: I assume you must also suffer from seborrheic dermatitis?

exactly correct. There are too many parameters involved.

 

[Hairfacts]

What the f*** are you talking about??

Do you want me to start listing the multiple clinical studies relevant to nutrient and hair loss as there is not sufficient capacity on this limited forum for such a discussion. But having said this I can include one now for you. You will note that finasteride, when treating the main genre of patients that it is prescribed for had consistent success (ie 56%) whereas treating with nutrition correctly had significantly higher results.

 

[bridgeburn]

What causes the miniturisation - lack of nutrients.

It only affects hair in extreme cases, like if your starving. I have taken many many vitamins, including zinc! and lots of supplements as well. and guess what? It didn't do sh*t for my hair! I didn't see REAL results until I hopped on real medicine.

 

[Hairfacts]

real medicine versus supplements.

Taking off the shelf supplements is the same as self-diagnosing - it doesn't work. Did you know that there are internal interactions between various nutrients such as calcium and iron can cancel each other out? Zinc in high doses will deplete other minerals.

Real medicine? rather a broad statement considering iron is listed as a "real" medicine but has been prescribed incorrectly by patients (self-diagnosing and Dr's). Did you know that many pharmaceutical items start from natural? To simply state that off the counter didn't work therefore it won't work is a naive statement. Many of the hair supplement brands on the market use one maybe two ingredients as their "main" source of treatment and therefore do not work. Nor have they had clinical evidence to support them.

 

[bridgeburn]

not to mention all the people who binge on junk food and homeless people with full heads of hair! because of their Genetics.

Please note that the main cause of hair loss is not the below mentioned hormones as they are present in most males

right, because we are sure that male hormones have nothing to do with Male pattern baldness.

A simple question to ask relative to DHT and its effect on hair loss is why does it "apparently" only affect the top section of the head on nowhere else on the body? considering DHT has clinical interactions on all follicles. The hair has already miniturised before there is an interaction with DHT.

If you are so sure, how about you follow your special hair diet and rub DHT gel on your scalp and see what happens.

 

[bridgeburn]

such as calcium and iron can cancel each other out? Zinc in high doses will deplete other minerals.

that's why I didn't take high doses of zinc, I took zinc after I ejaculated. nor did I take iron everyday, but occasionally and mixed with vit c because it increases absorption. Alright, I'll hear you out. What exactly is it that you recommend we do??

 

[Hairfacts]

Did you read the clinical study? Taking additional vitamin C is usually pointless. The iron will be an issue on the type of iron taken. Taking Zinc just when you ejaculate is not sufficient as men use testosterone and zinc for more than just a healthy sex life. Cellular activity requires a significant amount of nutrients which is why it is important to maintain appropriate levels. In my training courses, I always advise mineral hair analysis to determine what the history of the patient is ( you can view up to 6 months worth of history from a mineral hair sample). In the clinical studies coming out since 2008 to now on nutrition and hair growth, it shows that a cyclical pattern is the best form of supplementation. Taking calcium based nutrition on day one with Iron based on day two and protein and amino acids on day three. This has been shown to be far more effective than any "real" medicine available on the market today.

 

[Hairfacts]

http://genesdev.cshlp.org/content/21/22/2861.full

 

[bridgeburn]

Taking additional vitamin C is usually pointless. The iron will be an issue on the type of iron taken.

depending on the type, yes

Taking Zinc just when you ejaculate is not sufficient as men use testosterone and zinc for more than just a healthy sex life.

Then when am i supposed to take it??? Was I wrong for taking it after performing an act which You admitted decreases zinc? should I not take drink more water than usual after I have been sweating?

Cellular activity requires a significant amount of nutrients which is why it is important to maintain appropriate levels.

No, not if you're homeless or hungry and don't have the genetics for hairloss then obviously this doesn't apply.

Taking calcium based nutrition on day one with Iron based on day two and protein and amino acids on day three. This has been shown to be far more effective than any "real" medicine available on the market today.

Alright, Then I challenge you to take your cyclic nutritional method without any conventional medicines and take Pics of your hair in the same lighting, and then publish your results in the success stories section.

 

[Hairfacts]

depending on the type, yes


Then when am i supposed to take it??? Was I wrong for taking it after performing an act which You admitted decreases zinc? should I not take drink more water than usual after I have been sweating?



No, not if you're homeless or hungry and don't have the genetics for hairloss then obviously this doesn't apply.


Alright, Then I challenge you to take your cyclic nutritional method without any conventional medicines and take Pics of your hair in the same lighting, and then publish your results in the success stories section.

Have you not read the attached document that I sent you on the cyclical nutritional concept? it was a clinical study on 400 patients. On top of that, I have practical evidence of now close to 25,000 patients all successfully treated with cyclical therapy since early 2000 which is what lead to the initial publication in 2008. if I knew how to post pictures on here I would but the reality is it has already been clinically documented and proven. Taking Zinc right after is not the same as taking water after sweating and is infact a negative. Taking water when dehydrated has been clinically proven to keep you in a state of dehydration or encourage a worsening situation. This is why you have sports drinks for athletes. Zinc will take 6-8 hours minimum to be absorbed and a further time to be utilised by the body. It is used, as I have stated previously more than just in the sexual side of the body. It is used on a daily basis.

If you would like to challenge me on homeless persons suffering from lack of nutrients then understand and research Autophagy. True homelsss persons are infact suffering from lack of nutrients but they may not present in hair loss initially, the longer one remains in this state the more it will present across the body.

 

[bridgeburn]

It is used, as I have stated previously more than just in the sexual side of the body. It is used on a daily basis.

Yeah, but you also told me Not to take too much!! If I were to have told you that I took zinc everyday then you would have also criticized me that I was taking too much and if I tell you I took less then you'll just say that I wasn't taking enough so that you can feel like you've won in either case.
I know its used daily but some levels of zinc are found in tons of commonly eaten foods anyway.
Oysters, cooked, breaded and fried. Beef chuck roast, Crab, Beef patty, Breakfast cereal, Lobster, Pork chop, Baked beans, Chicken, Yogurt, Cashews, Chickpeas, Cheese, Oatmeal, Milk, Almonds, Kidney beans, Peas, Flounder or sole.

I never said the sexual side was the only thing zinc was used for, only that it is One of the things! are you saying we don't lose zinc after ejaculating??

Taking water when dehydrated has been clinically proven to keep you in a state of dehydration or encourage a worsening situation. This is why you have sports drinks for athletes.

Sports drinks Contain water. I agree that you lose more than just water in sweat and that if you're dehydrated sports drink is better than plain water. but what if you were trapped in a desert with nothing but water and a sports drink was not available to you??? Are you seriously saying that drinking nothing is better than drinking water??? thats a bold claim and I've never heard that before.

if I knew how to post pictures on here I would

It's not that hard to figure out. If you can do all this research which youre saying then I'm sure you are capable of finding a way to post pictures on this site.

Have you not read the attached document that I sent you on the cyclical nutritional concept?

Im still reading it.. hmm the results look impressive but what's this? they used keto shampoo and minoxidil as well?!

 

[Hairfacts]

Yeah, but you also told me Not to take too much!! If I were to have told you that I took zinc everyday then you would have also criticized me that I was taking too much and if I tell you I took less then you'll just say that I wasn't taking enough so that you can feel like you've won in either case.
I know its used daily but some levels of zinc are found in tons of commonly eaten foods anyway.
Oysters, cooked, breaded and fried. Beef chuck roast, Crab, Beef patty, Breakfast cereal, Lobster, Pork chop, Baked beans, Chicken, Yogurt, Cashews, Chickpeas, Cheese, Oatmeal, Milk, Almonds, Kidney beans, Peas, Flounder or sole.

I never said the sexual side was the only thing zinc was used for, only that it is One of the things! are you saying we don't lose zinc after ejaculating??



Sports drinks Contain water. I agree that you lose more than just water in sweat and that if you're dehydrated sports drink is better than plain water. but what if you were trapped in a desert with nothing but water and a sports drink was not available to you??? Are you seriously saying that drinking nothing is better than drinking water??? thats a bold claim and I've never heard that before.


It's not that hard to figure out. If you can do all this research which youre saying then I'm sure you are capable of finding a way to post pictures on this site.


Im still reading it.. hmm the results look impressive but what's this? they used keto shampoo and minoxidil as well?!

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I am not impressed that you are placing words in my statements that I never made to try and disprove or humiliate me. This is unacceptable behaviour. Yes on this study Minoxidil was used but you will never get the results that were achieved with minoxidil alone. I never stated about water should not be used ever, I just highlighted the arrogance of your comment. Zinc toxicity starts at 40mg for longer than 6 weeks. This level is in many supplements and the mentality of self-prescribing patients is more should be better. Having said that if you already have a deficiency within your system you have a flow on effect, something you clearly know little about.

The below image was without the use of minoxidil and is typical of the results that can be achieved. But you are welcome to continue taking finasteride. I will not respond further.

 

[bridgeburn]

The below image was without the use of minoxidil and is typical of the results that can be achieved.

his hair is longer in the after picture. the after picture is blurry and in darker lighting.

I will not respond further

good, I'm going to go grab a drink.