Is Melatonin considered to be a viable treatment?

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Rebooting any discussion here. Is this an option for those that can’t tolerate AA’s? Topical or Oral?

thinking of dropping AAs due to sides is melatonin or Zinc Thyium a useful alternative?
 

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Really, not . There is not contro double blind study done on it . I personal use it for insomnia since several years ago and have 0 effect on hair.
And the evidence on Zinc Thyium is zero.
There's been like a dozen of studies on topical melatonin and it's affect on hair growth, almost all have come to statistical conclusions that it has a positive effect. You taking it orally doesn't matter.

Also wrong on the Zinc thymilin, but the evidence is less concrete.


 

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They say this sh*t about everything yet nothing ever comes of it. My guess is it doesn't work well enough to be an actual treatment.
 

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They say this sh*t about everything yet nothing ever comes of it. My guess is it doesn't work well enough to be an actual treatment.
Or it's because there is no money to be made with substances that cant be patented, so companies don't care to throw money into the research?
 

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I use it sometimes Topically.
 

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Or it's because there is no money to be made with substances that cant be patented, so companies don't care to throw money into the research?
Companies can still mix it onto solutions and rebrand it as a hairless treatment
 

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Companies can still mix it onto solutions and rebrand it as a hairless treatment
There's no money in incremental hair growth. No one wants to spend money to get a easily patented product tested and approved just so it can preform even worse then household name rogain that also doesn't work for most people. That's why we still have finasteride+min 30 years later, people don't give a sh*t about 10% hair growth and to beat that requires real drug discovery and trials.
 

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There's no money in incremental hair growth. No one wants to spend money to get a easily patented product tested and approved just so it can preform even worse then household name rogain that also doesn't work for most people. That's why we still have finasteride+min 30 years later, people don't give a sh*t about 10% hair growth and to beat that requires real drug discovery and trials.
This.

To my knowledge, none of the stuff touted works as well as minoxidil and certainly not close to oral minoxidil. Normal people just take minoxidil and it either works or it doesn't. There's none or not much synergy from using copper and zinc together or CB and RU. But min and finasteride/duta, yes, they might work together. I hate seeing all of these marginal treatments being touted all over cause they don't work and they just lead people astray from options that can really make a difference in life.
 

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This.

To my knowledge, none of the stuff touted works as well as minoxidil and certainly not close to oral minoxidil. Normal people just take minoxidil and it either works or it doesn't. There's none or not much synergy from using copper and zinc together or CB and RU. But min and finasteride/duta, yes, they might work together. I hate seeing all of these marginal treatments being touted all over cause they don't work and they just lead people astray from options that can really make a difference in life.
Well, I think they still have value. For me, finasteride is losing it's effectiveness after 5+ years and I'm a minoxidil non responder. What should I do? Give up? Or find treatments that can actually at least do something?
 

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Well, I think they still have value. For me, finasteride is losing it's effectiveness after 5+ years and I'm a minoxidil non responder. What should I do? Give up? Or find treatments that can actually at least do something?
Well, there is oral and topical min and finasteride and dutasteride and then Keto 2 percent and blue/green dandruff shampoos for inflammation. Those all work but yeah, I would say that a person unable to take any of these meds should throw in the towel. There's massage and microneedling which can also help and polysorbate 80 is inexpensive and may work like keto.

Many minoxidil non-responders appear to respond great to oral min. You might try dutasteride as it has some aspects that exceed finasteride.
 

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Well, there is oral and topical min and finasteride and dutasteride and then Keto 2 percent and blue/green dandruff shampoos for inflammation. Those all work but yeah, I would say that a person unable to take any of these meds should throw in the towel. There's massage and microneedling which can also help and polysorbate 80 is inexpensive and may work like keto.

Many minoxidil non-responders appear to respond great to oral min. You might try dutasteride as it has some aspects that exceed finasteride.
Oral min is off the table, I'm not going to mess with my heart (bad hearts run in the family) for hair. I thought about adding dutasteride but it also seems like a poor trade off long term to nuke my neuro-steriods long term.

That's why alternate treatments mean something, especially when harmless.
 

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Oral min is off the table, I'm not going to mess with my heart (bad hearts run in the family) for hair. I thought about adding dutasteride but it also seems like a poor trade off long term to nuke my neuro-steriods long term.

That's why alternate treatments mean something, especially when harmless.
Yeah if you have the dough, time and inclination why not. But for many people trying a false or poor remedy might be likely to put them off the meds that really work. The other thing is the absolutism about, "oh, I wont try that one because" negates the scientific reality of titration of strength. There are many permutations as to how to use oral min. The standard for females is below 2.5mg daily but combined with 25mg of spironolactone, also daily. This is such a small amount of oral min that it's difficult to measure without the actual Loniten pills but drinking literally one drop a day of topical min can make a huge difference for some.

The people who refuse to use minoxidil because it's bad for their skin, just crack me up. Unless they have a perfect mug, who the crap cares about circles under the eyes when they are bald. Nobody is looking at anything except for that chrome dome. There are also many treatments for skin but as mentioned, very few that are likely to work outside the big 3.

Melatonin was a really big deal in the '90's and it was alleged to cure many/most things. In actuality, it mostly made people drowsy. But since forever, people trot out melatonin as supposedly having all of this value for health but it's difficult to find them when actually using them. I took melatonin for years but I don't think it affected hair one way or the other.
 
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Yeah if you have the dough, time and inclination why not. But for many people trying a false or poor remedy might be likely to put them off the meds that really work. The other thing is the absolutism about, "oh, I wont try that one because" negates the scientific reality of titration of strength. There are many permutations as to how to use oral min. The standard for females is below 2.5mg daily but combined with 25mg of spironolactone, also daily. This is such a small amount of oral min that it's difficult to measure without the actual Loniten pills but drinking literally one drop a day of topical min can make a huge difference for some.

The people who refuse to use minoxidil because it's bad for their skin, just crack me up. Unless they have a perfect mug, who the crap cares about circles under the eyes when they are bald. Nobody is looking at anything except for that chrome dome. There are also many treatments for skin but as mentioned, very few that are likely to work outside the big 3.

Melatonin was a really big deal in the '90's and it was alleged to cure many/most things. In actuality, it mostly made people drowsy. But since forever, people trot out melatonin as supposedly having all of this value for health but it's difficult to find them when actually using them. I took melatonin for years but I don't think it affected hair one way or the other.
The circles under the eyes are kind of big deal lol, I had a few comments last year when I got them that I looked exhausted all the time. I would agree that "who cares" if topical minoxidil actually held gains or did something significant, but it really doesn't in a vast majority of people. The usage stats are that basically under 2% of people are still using topical min 2 years after start.

I would say that it would be better to be bald and have a youthful looking face/appearance then have *almost* no hair and also look like a zombie.
 

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Yeah if you have the dough, time and inclination why not. But for many people trying a false or poor remedy might be likely to put them off the meds that really work. The other thing is the absolutism about, "oh, I wont try that one because" negates the scientific reality of titration of strength. There are many permutations as to how to use oral min. The standard for females is below 2.5mg daily but combined with 25mg of spironolactone, also daily. This is such a small amount of oral min that it's difficult to measure without the actual Loniten pills but drinking literally one drop a day of topical min can make a huge difference for some.

The people who refuse to use minoxidil because it's bad for their skin, just crack me up. Unless they have a perfect mug, who the crap cares about circles under the eyes when they are bald. Nobody is looking at anything except for that chrome dome. There are also many treatments for skin but as mentioned, very few that are likely to work outside the big 3.

Melatonin was a really big deal in the '90's and it was alleged to cure many/most things. In actuality, it mostly made people drowsy. But since forever, people trot out melatonin as supposedly having all of this value for health but it's difficult to find them when actually using them. I took melatonin for years but I don't think it affected hair one way or the other.
are you taking oral min aT the moment? thanks
 

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The circles under the eyes are kind of big deal lol, I had a few comments last year when I got them that I looked exhausted all the time. I would agree that "who cares" if topical minoxidil actually held gains or did something significant, but it really doesn't in a vast majority of people. The usage stats are that basically under 2% of people are still using topical min 2 years after start.

I would say that it would be better to be bald and have a youthful looking face/appearance then have *almost* no hair and also look like a zombie.
That's assuming extremes instead of median outcomes. You must have a really attractive face. I mean, once minoxidil had no prescription requirement, maybe in the early '90's I just used it and never stopped up to now. No, I never saw any regrowth and I was on finasteride too so that makes it hard to ascribe results but I got at least 15 years of all but complete maintenance on the two. I didn't know that there were side effects for some people so that wasn't even a consideration because I felt nothing and I saw nothing during a 15 year period where I used them both. I mean, not even hair results except my hairline seemed to have frozen in time. Around the age of 49, they started not working as well, and I was on Keto too, so I decided on HRT. I had a big family with lots of children but my looks were essential to me job-wise and life-wise. Having boobs, wasn't a concern in this scenario. So, I am all about facial and scalp improvement at the same time but retin-A and differin are out there, arguably fully able to quell any facial effects from minoxidil.
 

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Janey, can you please advise whether you took oral or topical melatonin.

I believe all the recent studies have been on topical melatonin.
I took oral. I am not disputing that melatonin might be good for health at all but probably not enough juice to improve a hairline. It's a great anti-oxidant though, so I probably need to start using it again.
 

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@JaneyElizabeth I have used topical for about 4 months (application twice per week).

It resulted in an almost sudden cessation of hairloss, but the jury is still out on regrowth.
 
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