How Much Does My Doctor Matter? American Local, Corporate, Or Turkey

Which Options Should I chose

  • Option #1: Elite Vein & Hair Restoration

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Option #2: Bosley

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Option #3: Go to Turkey

    Votes: 8 72.7%
  • Option #4: Something Else

    Votes: 2 18.2%

  • Total voters
    11

TG123

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I am a 29 year old male with medium/dark blond hair and have been struggling with hair loss for the better part of a decade. I believe I have been able to stabilize the loss with daily propecia and attempted daily Rogaine (I forget a lot and frankly I hate using it cause somehow it always get in my eye at some point throughout the day). I'm extremely anxious about it. I wear a hat 99% of the time - to work, to the gym, at family dinners, etc. When I do take the hat off I use Caboki, which worked alright for a while, but I think people are starting to notice and it's humiliating. My ex left me because they weren't attracted to me anymore. I'm really struggling with dating - I've had two people actually suggest I get a hair transplant during dates. I used to have great hair and I loved the way I looked, but now I just try and hide myself out of embarrassment. It has severely impacted my career, my social life, and overall quality of life.

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I have been wanting to get a hair transplant for the last 5 years. Problem is I work 80 hours a week for a non profit that's been stuck in start up mode since it's inception and I am effectively a glorified volunteer. Long story short I have no money. These problems are all self-perpetuating.

Anyways, I just received a check for $6,000 for some work I did on a freelance project and I am using all of it for a hair transplant surgery. I am SO READY to stop being miserable and get my life back. I would really really like some advice from people that genuinely feel like they know what they're talking about. Here are my options:

Option #1:
Elite Vein & Hair Restoration
I got a quote for FUE 2,500 grafts + 2 PRP treatments for $7,500 from Elite Vein & Hair Restoration in Dearborn Michigan. The procedure normally costs $15,000, but they have a Christmas special that they are running for 50% off. They're hiring some extra technicians or something for the month of January, so they're trying to get as much out of them as they can or something and basically all I have to do is book in December and have the procedure done in January and I'm good for that price. My understanding is that there is only one doctor at this business (Dr. Hakim, who seems pretty legit?) who performs a variety of medical procedures from vein treatments, to botox injections, to hair transplants. I spoke with a specialist for about 45 minutes and Dr. Hakim himself for about 25 minutes during my consultation. I believe that a licensed technician would be performing a lot of the surgery itself under Dr. Hakim's supervision. I

The Plan: I would pay $6,000 upfront and finance the remaining $1,500 balance in monthly payments of $125 over the course of a year at zero interest.

Pros: The surgery is done locally (so ongoing PRP treatments and maintenance are easier) and I can do it without taking on a lot of debt. The price is pretty competitive.

Cons: The whole "50% off your surgery if you book this week" thing seems really sketchy to me. I don't know a lot about the profit margins in plastic surgery, but a 50% discount like that makes me uneasy about the objective value of the procedure.

Option #2: Bosley
I got a quote from Bosley. FUE 1,600 grafts + meds for $11,990 (with $1,500 holiday discount already accounted for). I met with a specialist who was very likable, but the doctor (Dr. Zadnik) wouldn't be available to meet until the day before my surgery (and after I already put a deposit down). I believe this is because he is moving to Michigan from out of state, where he was doing heart surgery or something?

The Plan: I would pay for 50% of the cost of the surgery upfront and then take out a loan of $6,000, which would be paid in $250 monthly payments over 24 months no interest.

Pros: I liked the vibe at Bosley a lot. It was very corporate with very good marketing, but I can't tell if they were just telling me and showing me what I wanted to hear to secure a sale or giving me real legitimate information. Since Bosley is a national brand, I'm inclined to trust them more (they're benefiting from economies of scale to drive down costs, they're more accountable for their results because they have a brand to protect, they should have the latest and great technology and top talent around, right?).

Cons: The cost of the procedure is relatively expensive compared to my other quote. I don't know if the quality of the service performed is necessarily better than what I would get elsewhere.

Option #3: Go to Turkey
I've been reading a lot about hair transplants online and it seems like a lot of people go to Turkey for very cheap surgeries. I have several Middle Eastern Friends who say this is common knowledge in the Middle Eastern Community. That no one in their right mind would pay for a hair transplant in America. For around $5,000 you can purchase a package deal that includes a round trip ticket to Turkey, lodging and food, and the surgery itself.

The Plan: Find a vetted high quality clinic in Turkey and purchase the package deal outright in cash debt free.

The Pros: I have no debt. I potentially get way more grafts than I would be able to afford in America. I get to see Turkey.

The Cons: If the surgery went very poorly I wouldn't be able to go back to the surgeon for a check up or to fix the problem. I'm basically stuck with whatever I get. I could end up spending all my money and getting a bad surgery that makes my hair situation worse than it already is.

Note: A lot of people may argue that it's very important that you have a licensed surgeon (not a technician) performing your surgery. I dated a surgeon for several years and they were one of the more clumsy non-attentive-to-detail people I've met. I would trust a neurotic/OCD technician over an absent-minded non-neurotic surgeon any day. That's my gut-reaction, but I could be wrong here, which is one of the reasons I am looking for feedback in this forum.

With all of the above in mind, can anyone please give me your thoughts? I would really appreciate it. I am so tired of hating what I see in the mirror. I want my confidence/mojo/charisma back. I want my life back. I want to feel like things are getting better not worse ever single day. I want to go to the gym without a hat on. I want to feel wind in my hair again. I want to care about looking good again. To dress up and go to public places and feel good about myself, not like everyone is staring at my weird hairline and thinking to themselves "man, real shame he used to be such a good looking guy".
 
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I could hair less

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hey bro I feel your pain, I have had hair loss for a shorter period of time than you but it has negatively impacted my life especially my confidence. as for dating, since I'm in that game myself one thing I have told myself is anyone who looks down on or criticizes your hair and dumps you over it, IS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME AND EFFORT, you are more valuable than few lost hair follicles.

As for hair transplant options, although money plays a factor into your decision, I would treat this operation very carefully and realize you have limited donor hair.

option 1 seems sketch and I never heard of the guy, you want someone who does hair transplants all day, every day... wouldn't trust the guy even for $2k
option 2 heard horror stories of Bosley- STAY AWAY!! oh and that price seems steep for the amount of grafts
option 3 have seen some very good results from there, just make sure to find a place you feel comfortable with

Good luck buddy!
 

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I would go with option 3 as I will be doing the same February 15 2019. I'm mainly going to get my hairline restored and strengthend. The doctor recommended 2000 grafts to achieve a denser look. Im also no planning to get my head shaved, they said it would be fine.
I went to a doctor here in GA and he wanted $9000 for 1500 grafts in Turkey I'll be paying $2190 for the max amount of grafts which is up to 5000 I think. With airfaire for both me and my wife we are looking at $3800 total for everything fortunately I don't have much to lose. The doctor I'll be seeing is
Dr. Ahmed ALTAN MD. He has many good reviews and best of all he speaks English which was very important to me. Anywayan good luck whichever way you choose.
 

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I had my second fue with Dr Laorwong in Bangkok and I would highly recommend him.
He was there like 90% of the time in the room doing a lot himself as well.
I got High density and faster healing

My first FUE was in the USA and it was 3 times the price per graft and the result were not very good, low density, slow healing etc..never looked good I had to use makeup on scalp everyday

FUE is labor intensive, any country with low wages will have the edge for FUE as a lot of the manual ground work is done by the techs. In Thailand I had 4 techs and the USA only two

In Turkey the Doctor only does the incisions at the recipient site and will not be in the room for the rest, which leaves the techs under no supervision so you are really at the mercy of which techs is doing it...some may be good but you have no control on who is doing it, hence the wide level of results you see from Turkey.
The docs are running several procedures in parallel at those large Turkish clinics with many patients a day.
 
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I just submitted my photos to Dr. Demirsoy's website consultation request form. Any idea how long it will take them to get back to me?

Not sure, he never got back to me (to my disappointment) , I would be patient then email again
 

Rocknroutlaw

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I feel that those who are considering a trip to Turkey should read Eazy12's post on this thread (#12 post).

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...inion-on-dr-cinik-please.109686/#post-1747546

Obviously Turkey is well-known for their hair transplant tourism. Although many had a positive experience and good results at a good price, there are seemingly lots of conveyor belt operation type place, so choosing the right surgeon is particularly important.
I had mine done in Belgium. I made the choice based on the discussions that took place during the consultation process (compared to the Turkish counterparts). From my experience, the Turkish clinics seem to promise a significantly higher number of grafts and lower hairlines, which sounds appealing on the surface, but not always the most appropriate in reality.
I also considered my gut feelings towards the surgeon's ethics and their clinic, and of course the independently-written testimony on various websites. Whether I made the right choice I guess time will tell.
Good luck making your decision.
 

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I'm not sure if anyone finds this relevant...
I spoke to someone with NW6-7 about his experience looking for a transplant surgeon. It seems that all the ones he spoke to in Turkey have declined based on the fact that he has a massive area to cover and has so little donor hair, while some of the UK counterparts have agreed to do his hair at a very high price.
I can interpret this different ways. I think because UK clinics generally have a poor reputation in hair transplant, they get so few cases and most are happy to take anyone's money; they need to add it to their profile regardless of the results. As for Turkish clinics declining... they know the results won't be great and would rather not have less-than-stunning results reflecting poorly on them, or they had too many complaints from clients with unrealistic expectations, or they are actually ethical....I guess we will never know.
 

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One random thing to note (I just left Istanbul) is that the Lira is still much weaker to the USD (right now 5.3 Lira = 1 USD) compared to a year ago (3.8 Lira to 1 USD. Control quality of course but if you find doctors who quote their prices in local currency instead of Lira are looking much better financially than a year ago.
 

spring15

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Right? I'd be so happy with results like this. Now I just need to get someone from Demirsoy's office to return my emails lol

That's probably his best result, but he is a top tier surgeon in Turkey in my oppinion
 

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that is using the old lateral slit method - study from 2008 note the date.I had one hair transplant using this technique before and the healing was slow, scalp very red for 3 months and skin quite bumpy. The Doctor as not able to pack it very close either.

The new dense packing docs use the latest implanter pen techniques, like the LION, Choi pen etc.. can do much higher packing with good survival and much less redness and bumpiness - that was my second hair transplant. Scalp was less red and returned to normal color after 10 days only, and I even had more grafts done and much more dense

Quite a difference based on what tools are used, and skills of course
 
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I could hair less

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that is using the old lateral slit method - study from 2008 note the date.I had one hair transplant using this technique before and the healing was slow, scalp very red for 3 months and skin quite bumpy. The Doctor as not able to pack it very close either.

The new dense packing docs use the latest implanter pen techniques, like the LION, Choi pen etc.. can do much higher packing with good survival and much less redness and bumpiness - that was my second hair transplant. Scalp was less red and returned to normal color after 10 days only, and I even had more grafts done and much more dense

Quite a difference based on what tools are used, and skills of course

hey can you share pics from the 2nd hair transplant?
 

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I had my second fue with Dr Laorwong in Bangkok and I would highly recommend him.
He was there like 90% of the time in the room doing a lot himself as well.
I got High density and faster healing

My first FUE was in the USA and it was 3 times the price per graft and the result were not very good, low density, slow healing etc..never looked good I had to use makeup on scalp everyday

FUE is labor intensive, any country with low wages will have the edge for FUE as a lot of the manual ground work is done by the techs. In Thailand I had 4 techs and the USA only two

In Turkey the Doctor only does the incisions at the recipient site and will not be in the room for the rest, which leaves the techs under no supervision so you are really at the mercy of which techs is doing it...some may be good but you have no control on who is doing it, hence the wide level of results you see from Turkey.
The docs are running several procedures in parallel at those large Turkish clinics with many patients a day.
Was the doctor just watching the techs or was he doing the procedure? If you don’t mind me asking how much was this?
 

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I feel that those who are considering a trip to Turkey should read Eazy12's post on this thread (#12 post).

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...inion-on-dr-cinik-please.109686/#post-1747546

Obviously Turkey is well-known for their hair transplant tourism. Although many had a positive experience and good results at a good price, there are seemingly lots of conveyor belt operation type place, so choosing the right surgeon is particularly important.
I had mine done in Belgium. I made the choice based on the discussions that took place during the consultation process (compared to the Turkish counterparts). From my experience, the Turkish clinics seem to promise a significantly higher number of grafts and lower hairlines, which sounds appealing on the surface, but not always the most appropriate in reality.
I also considered my gut feelings towards the surgeon's ethics and their clinic, and of course the independently-written testimony on various websites. Whether I made the right choice I guess time will tell.
Good luck making your decision.
How much did it cost in Belgium? And who was the doctor?
 
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