How Exactly Are Bald Men Perceived? A Bit More Of A Scientific Approach

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Most bald and hopeless beta-males can live a better life.

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DHTpolice said:
At least now he can wear a wig without being shamed.
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True, people can't mock him anymore in our PC society without risking fines and prison sentences.
But you know how people are, they will do it anyway, just not in front of him
 
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countjulian said:
So I was looking at my shitty diffuse NW3 today. I've been on propecia, topical and oral (I plan to go all pill once the topical solution I bought runs out, currently alternating between .5 mg and the topical every other day, in addition to minoxidil and 2% ketacozanole, also added in derma rolling recently with a 1.5 mm roller). I've already suffered from side effects from these meds, I've gotten dark circles under my eyes from all the minoxidil I was using before I started fina, and I'm constantly terrified of fina sides so even if they haven't manifested physically I've had boner problems due to it for sure, even if only psychological. I also monitor and post on this stupid board way too much. So in short this disease is eating me up.

So why not shave it bro? My brother was NW4 at 23 and did just that, hasn't looked back in the 3 years since and advises me to do so. I don't think I have to tell you gentlemen (and pasbrilliante, evillocks and our other esteemed ladies of HairLossTalk.com) what the general opinion is around here. Our friend IKickedHairsAss aside it's pretty much equated to the aesthetic version of cancer. Castration and even death are preferable for many of our members here. Certainly, how you feel about your own self-image is deeply personal, and no survey or study could ever affect that. What I find on this sub-fora, though, are a lot of unsourced claims that bald men are "genetic trash" ugly losers who will never amount to anything (I've heard worse calumnies against the bald here than I have heard anywhere else from anyone, in fact). In truth, I think there's some truth to what's said here--the old canard "bald is sexy" seems stupid and untrue on its face. But then it seems that everything just naturally falls downward, yet we know gravity is at work; it seems that nothing surrounds us when there's no wind about, but we know the air we breath is a fluid consisting of oxygen and nitrogen; it seems sun revolves around us, but we know the opposite to be true. So what does science have to say?

If you do a google search in English on the subject, news reports referencing this study come up:

http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/DPlab/papers/publishedPapers/Mannes_2012_ Shorn scalps and perceptions of male dominance.pdf

It's a great starting point, especially considering a ton of the new reports literally contradict the study they're supposedly reporting on (they also have come out recently, when this study came out in 2012 strangely).

The paper is actually 3 studies. In the first, students enrolled in an MBA program in a US Uni were selected, mixed white and black white, shaved and full head. Their pictures were then shown to 59 US Uni students (presumably at a different uni?) and they were rated on Dominance, Agreeableness, Attractiveness, and Age. The shorn headed were rated much more dominant, slightly more agreeable, less attractive, and older than the full heads.

The second was done online with a survey size of (ultimately) 344. They were shown pics of four of the white men with hair featured in the above study who were rate similarly, but 4 additional pics were created by digitally removing their hair, thus producing eight pictures. The 344 online participants rated the men and their bald doppelgangers on dominance, confidence, norm violation (normal-abnormal, proper-improper, seemly-unseemly), masculinity, attractiveness, age, height, strength, and leadership potential. The shorn headed men were rated as less attractive, older, more confident, stronger, taller, slightly less likely to break norms, more dominant, and possessing more leadership potential.

Finally, the third study ultimately 552 online participants were paid to evaluate a written description. The description, very detailed, described a man's age, height, ethnicity, and other qualities, but different participants were either told that the man had a shaved head, thinning hair or thick hair. The description of the shaved headed man was rated on the same metrics as above. The written description was scored very similarly to the visuals vis-a-vis the thick haired and the shaved head, with the only differences between the shaved head and the thick hair being that here the shaved head was perceived as more likely to break norms and less confident, contra the visual survey. The thinning hair, though, scored worse on almost every metric than both the shaved and thick hair.

Take-aways: as I've known for a long time, you can't trust news reports on scientific studies. Many of the news reports literally reported that bald men were perceived as "more attractive" even though the study says the opposite. Overall, the feeling around here that baldness hurts a man's looks was definitely confirmed.

Also no surprise, from the last experiment it's obvious that hair which is visibly balding does much more damage than a shaved bic top.

The feelings on most of the other categories besides attractiveness for the slick bald were very positive I must say, and they now have me seriously thinking about shaving. True, I won't be able to hop on Tinder or POF and get laid.....but at this point in my life my career is more important to me, and the dominance and masculinity boost seems like a definite advantage in the corporate world, especially in the relatively beta-male IT space I work in. And besides, my hair-driven depression has me in no condition to slay anyways. Also the boost to the perception of height and strength would be a good thing for me, accentuating some of my better features, since I'm 6'1 and pretty "beefy." The attractiveness hit is a real bummer, but is it really worth the mental torture of hair loss obsession and f*****g around with a dangerous drug like finasteride? Side note, I'm going to try to post more studies in this thread, if we could keep the discussion based in empirical studies I think that would be cool.
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yes. yes it is. hotness is easily far and away the most important thing of the traits there haha
 
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BaldyBalderBald said:
True, people can't mock him anymore in our PC society without risking fines and prison sentences.
But you know how people are, they will do it anyway, just not in front of him
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I don't know how it is in France but people same mean sh*t to transsexuals all the time to their faces here in the US and as long as they don't follow them and harass them or attack them physically there's not a law on the books against it here in the US.
 
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countjulian said:
I don't know how it is in France but people same mean sh*t to transsexuals all the time to their faces here in the US and as long as they don't follow them and harass them or attack them physically there's not a law on the books against it here in the US.
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Same here in France, the only things i see about US are on TV or the Web, and i mixed up PC media facade with reality
There will be laws, eventually

In France you can get charges for insulting gay people for example, but you got to prove this of course
 
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WhitePolarBear said:
It's no coincidence that I'm now insisting on trust, in the last few weeks, I've let my hair grow longer (I had a hair transplant but I still shaved it close) and I can tell that people's reaction towards me is different, especially (older) women
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interesting. and how do you see yourself in the mirror with the increased length?

OP: 6”1 and beefy huh? can you grow stubble on your face? sounds like you have the genes to survive this sh*t.
 
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WhitePolarBear said:
For my next hair transplant, I'm going to ask my surgeon to cover my crown minimally and then to add density at the front, I'd like some kind of fade out towards the back. I hope it makes sens: more hair at the front, and then gradually less hair as you move towards the end of my crown that's going to have to stay partially bald.
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I'm trying to picture this. Would it be similar to (better than) Hugh Laurie's? I noticed how bare his crown is while watching Veep a while back. Had no idea from the front.

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Wolf Pack said:
Genetically inferior male.
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:(

I'm more feminine and bald than he is.
And I have a feminine voice.

I have to gymcel, forearmcel and beardcel to be able to look myself in the mirror.

FML.
 
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A decade ago, I was taking martial arts classes. In one class, the instructor was demonstrating breaking away from arm holds. He first asked me to grasp him by his wrists. Could not close my fingers around his wrist. Then he switched and grasped my wrists - said my wrists were bird like. I wanted to buy a rope that day.

A couple of years ago, I was trying to adjust the chair in my office. Pushed down on the lever with my thumb. Dislocated the thumb.
 
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CaptainForehead said:
A decade ago, I was taking martial arts classes. In one class, the instructor was demonstrating breaking away from arm holds. He first asked me to grasp him by his wrists. Could not close my fingers around his wrist. Then he switched and grasped my wrists - said my wrists were bird like. I wanted to buy a rope that day.

A couple of years ago, I was trying to adjust the chair in my office. Pushed down on the lever with my thumb. Dislocated the thumb.
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I do hate how a lot of materials are built and assembled. I'm often unsure how hard to push. If I push too hard, I might break something, but if I don't apply any force then it won't come together.

BaldyBalderBald said:
I don't get this obsession for forearms, when you got the face and hair, forearms are insignificant

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Another forearmcel, i guess...
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1) It's not just an issue of appealing to women, there's also the issue of appealing to other men. A strong frame and height will go a long way toward making people think that you're a leader, making them naturally submit to you, etc rather than the opposite extreme, where people are inclined to disagree with everything you say. There's an obvious interplay with social skills and status.

2) I think that you're showing a picture of 18 year-old Rose McGowan. If not her, then someone like her. My view is that younger women prefer twinks (e.g. Justin Bieber, Taylor Lautner, etc), whereas older women tend to prefer men (Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavill, etc). I'm 34, so I don't give a f*** that 17 year-old girls like Harry Styles and Justin Bieber.

3) On second thought the guy you posted doesn't have a bad frame, he has an average frame. An average frame with a great face is sufficient. However, I would rather have an average face with a great frame.
 
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