Hair is actually an overrated trait

[Hairon]

Welcome to Toronto.

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Of course they do, for two reasons;

1) They're easy
2) They're usually hot

what he means is (I think) they wouldn't want to be in a long term relationship with a woman who sleeps around a lot.
they would only have them for flings

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Welcome to Toronto.

How about this girl?

http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=23820662

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Of course they do, for two reasons;

1) They're easy
2) They're usually hot

Too muscular, which doesn't go well with a flat chest.

 

[CopeForLife]

gym girls are the most w****s tbh

just lol seeing balding subhumans in gym when they trying to compensate their flaw

 

[Saurabhaj]

If a beautiful girl do not find me worthy to be with me..
I will happily marry the girl who is 4 but can go 8 with makeup.

I will never want girl to wear her makeup in the first place btw..
Still i will be happy for her as society is too shallow and people judges (rates)women on their look at the marriage day/functions.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

gym girls are the most w****s tbh

just lol seeing balding subhumans in gym when they trying to compensate their flaw

just lol seeing balding subhumans come up with excuses to be fat and weak.

 

[hellouser]

If a beautiful girl do not find me worthy to be with me..
I will happily marry the girl who is 4 but can go 8 with makeup.

I will never want girl to wear her makeup in the first place btw..
Still i will be happy for her as society is too shallow and people judges (rates)women on their look at the marriage day/functions.

You ever seen an 8/10 without makeup? Or even a perfect 10?

 

[shookwun]

All women will potentially be a wh*** and submit to the right guy. Unfortunately average men don't get these primal feelings out of most women. Need to commonly put in work & demonstrate value.


Just like almost all guys will throw their hotdogs down aNY hallway

 

[marco75]

face is EVERYTHING
hair is EVERYTHING for FACE

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If you need hair to make your face handsome, I have some bad news. The ultimate test of how good looking a man is whether or not he looks good with shaved/buzzed hair. If hair loss decimates your looks (as it does most average men) then you are just the same as a girl who wear **** loads of makeup turning her into a 8 when in reality she is a 4-5.

Hair never, I repeat, never makes up for an ugly or average face or being short.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

If you need hair to make your face handsome, I have some bad news. The ultimate test of how good looking a man is whether or not he looks good with shaved/buzzed hair. If hair loss decimates your looks (as it does most average men) then you are just the same as a girl who wear **** loads of makeup turning her into a 8 when in reality she is a 4-5.

Hair never, I repeat, never makes up for an ugly or average face or being short.

I think height, bone structure, and low body fat are more important, so I think we agree.

With that said, hair can be important in spite of being less important. Further, there's also the issue of not just attracting women, but also liking what one sees in the mirror.

 

[marco75]

I think height, bone structure, and low body fat are more important, so I think we agree.

With that said, hair can be important in spite of being less important. Further, there's also the issue of not just attracting women, but also liking what one sees in the mirror.

Yes I agree it is important just not as important unless you don't have the other features. When hair is the only think keeping you from being unattractive then it's very important, so for most average guys it becomes so hence this forum.

 

[marco75]

Yup, same here.

Even though I had a one night stand with a hot girl two weeks ago, she told me that she slept around a lot.

So it's no surprise I haven't contacted her again yet, and probably never will.



I've not seen the inside of a gym in 7 years and I'm not fat at all.

And the last girl I had sex with couldn't stop repeating that I was "strong" when I took her in bed.

She was tiny though.

For the hundredth time: gym = cope.

I'm sorry to use a sluthate word, but it's so accurate.

If you even need to go to a gym, you've already lost.

The gym is for guys who are not good enough.

Having a good job, having a good personality, having to be patient are requirements girls will have for guys who are not good enough.

Men that women find good-looking don't have to deal with any of that BS. Women just have sex with them, because they are good enough.

If you're overweight though, lose the weight. But you don't need to go to a gym for that, eating better will do the trick.



Confirms what I've written above.

The women who are crazy over my looks will do anything I tell them.

While they will tell other guys: "Sorry, I'm not like that! You're a pig!"

Agreed never go to the Gym, I do the odd pressup and pull up at home just to keep in shape and run for health, but these guys who spend all their time at the gym trying to get the perfect body when they are short or unattractive is pointless. Face and height are everything

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I've not seen the inside of a gym in 7 years and I'm not fat at all.

And the last girl I had sex with couldn't stop repeating that I was "strong" when I took her in bed.

She was tiny though.

For the hundredth time: gym = cope.

I'm sorry to use a sluthate word, but it's so accurate.

If you even need to go to a gym, you've already lost.

The gym is for guys who are not good enough.

Having a good job, having a good personality, having to be patient are requirements girls will have for guys who are not good enough.

Men that women find good-looking don't have to deal with any of that BS. Women just have sex with them, because they are good enough.

If you're overweight though, lose the weight. But you don't need to go to a gym for that, eating better will do the trick.

We're going to leave aside the real benefits of exercise such as better health parameters, decreased risk of bone problems, decreased injury risk, better hormone levels, as well as the fact that most guys at the gym are already being laid and not doing it to get women.

You're a rational guy -- I'm sure you understand that argument by a single imperfect example, followed by a whole lot of conjecture, is unconvincing.

You have an example of one person (you) who does well without going to the gym. This proves that some people in the world can do well without going to the gym, which is not informative. Some guys do well without hair, some guys do well fat, some guys do well short, some guys do well poor, and so on. All of those examples are as meaningless as the claim that you do well without a gym body.

Which is, by the way, a weak claim. By your own regular posts on this forum, you underperform with women. You wish you could do better. Women make relationships with you but put up roadblocks. You are not doing as well as you would like, which you might supposedly believe is only due to your hair loss and that everything else is perfect.

But let's also ask women what they think?

Look up "Sexiest man alive" on images.google.com, you'll find adam levine, chris hemsworth, and ryan reynolds on the first line. They all have muscular gym bodies, in addition to being tall, white, and having full heads of hair. This is a scene that women across the world talked about:

Would this be a famous scene if he were ~20 lbs lighter? No. It's a scene explicitly discussed among films fans as "catering to the female gaze".


Other than that -- wait till you turn 30 and you and your friends start worrying about hernias, cancer, diabetes, etc. Nutrition alone won't protect you from the ravages of a desk job.

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Agreed never go to the Gym, I do the odd pressup and pull up at home just to keep in shape and run for health, but these guys who spend all their time at the gym trying to get the perfect body when they are short or unattractive is pointless. Face and height are everything

Nobody is advocating spending all of one's time at the gym. That's actually bad for you. Below is a pic of Greg O'Gallagher, he goes three times a week, 45 minutes at a time, no steroids, and argues against going much more regularly than that:

I wonder if he gets women?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Roided up celebrities. Come on, you're better than that David.

I know I will need to do some exercise at a point, but forget going to a gym.

I like to run and swim. "The gym" is a very American concept, as I've said, we don't have many gyms here anyway.

They're mostly filled with women who really need to lose that fat ***.

But muscles? It's something genetic, I won't go over that again. For me, it would take so much effort that it's not worth it.

And then I would stop at a point, and all of it would become marmelade again.

F-ck that, I don't have much free time outside my job, and I'll use that time to have sex with women, not to cope in a gym.

We all need to stay realistic. You can't go to the gym three times a week, see your friends, your family, doing your hobbies (for me it's cinema, video games, playing the guitar) and meet women.

We all have to make choices in life. And I know that "becoming huge bro" is a lie, it won't make you more successful with women, it won't make you happier, and it will suck out all the free time you have left.

1) Steroids won't give you a body like that without proper exercise and nutrition.

2) If you'd rather run and swim, you should run and swim.

That you advocate for running though is kind of hypocritical. It's well-documented to be a less efficient exercise in terms of results versus efforts.

You're going on and on about "time", but if time is indeed valuable (which I hope it is), then you should be lifting weights not running.

3) I stopped playing video games around the time it became legal for me to drink alcohol.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Because video games are childish and won't get you women, right? You know, you'd have a great time on the Rooshv forum .

Video games are largely a waste of time. If you enjoy them as a hobby then that's fine, but you shouldn't put too much time into them. A lot of time goes in, and no value comes out. It's a way to decompress, sure, but you can get that decompression from cooking, going for a walk, or reading a book. All of which are better than video games, following professional sports religiously, or gambling.

I write this as someone who plays much less video games than I used to (virtually never), follows professional sports much less than I used to, and doesn't gamble.

Time is precious, don't waste it on futile things you're going to regret.

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This editorial against marathon running details a lot of the criticisms against running:
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...us_expensive_stupid_meaningless_task_don.html
I've done a fair amount of research into exercise and nutrition in the past year, and jogging -- what most people call "running" -- is a nearly useless, possibly useless, possibly unhealthy exercise. It takes up a huge amount of time for minimal effort at best. The calories burned are compensated by decreased rest metabolism and increased hunger. It won't get you laid. It might slightly improve your health, but you'll get better results timewise from weightlifting. It's one of the major results of the past few years in health science -- low intensity cardio is not particularly useful for much at all other than wasting time.

As for Europeans and the gym, I was just in the socialist utopia of Sweden. I stopped going to the gym there because the gym was overcrowded. Every machine was being used and it seemed like there was a line as well.

If health is your number one genuine priority ... activities like yoga, crossfit, weightlifting, etc are all better than jogging.

 

[marco75]

If you have the face/height then just being lean is enough no need to look like the hulk. I think these guys look less approachable than your Leonardo Dicaprio tall handsome lean type. Like seeing the women with massive breast implants and lips jobs etc vs Emma Watson or whats her name....

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

If you have the face/height then just being lean is enough no need to look like the hulk. I think these guys look less approachable than your Leonardo Dicaprio tall handsome lean type. Like seeing the women with massive breast implants and lips jobs etc vs Emma Watson or whats her name....

You can't trade in one variable for another like that. For any given adult, height and bone structure are fixed.

The proper comparison to Leonardo DiCaprio is whether he would look better with less fat and more muscle.
The proper comparison to Chris Hemsworth is whether he would look better with more fat and less muscle.

You see the answer either way. For the vast majority of people out there -- and please don't point to exceptions like Ronnie Coleman -- they will look better with less fat and more muscle.

And when women can choose from any man -- they choose the muscular guy, who is also tall, slim, white, and has a full-head of hair.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I play video games for the story by the way, I never play online Warcraft or Counter Strike types of games.

Right now I'm playing Final Fantasy VII for the first time, and I can say it's already one of the best experiences I've had in my life.

Yeah I'm not exaggerating, what games like that can make me feel... The story, the way characters are written, the music. It's the highest form of entertainment.

Video games are a waste of time? Then everything is, life is a zero-sum game anyway. We're all doing what we do for nothing.

Reading fiction? Waste of time. Watching movies? Waste of time. What isn't then? Going on dates with women? Going to the gym so you can hope to go on more dates with women?

These days, I often wish I was home playing my PS3 instead of wasting my time with these shallow über-demanding airheads.

I remember writing a paper on personal development when I was at university. What I found was that it was all a scam (who would have known!).

In life, you need your basics, and then there's nothing you can do beyond that. And it can be done in only a few weeks:

Get to your ideal weight, buy fitting clothes, get the right haircut, educate yourself a minimum, talk to people.

That's it, that's all there is to it. You can then see if you get opportunities to have fun, or to have sex with women for example. If it doesn't work then, it never will.

I used to play the final fantasy games. I really enjoyed Final Fantasy IV and VI, those were great experiences. They had fantastic stories. It's not unlike reading a novel or watching a good movie. Watching good TV improves social intelligence, unlike watching bad TV:
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycarticles/2015-44293-001
We can expect the same is true of video games.

You probably come out of FFVII a better person at the end as well. It's at the very least, a great game. Once the game is over, you might play it a second time, but not 100 times. It's different from counterstrike, starcraft, etc. It's also not the people who are on their phones all day playing candy-crush saga, or whatever it is people are wasting time on.

During my high school years, maybe between the ages of 15 and 19, I played Age of Empires II obsessively. I was one of the world's best players. I guess I learned something from it -- I learned what it means to be "elite" at something, to watch and experience the progression of going from incompetent noobie to masterful expert, as well as the following progression of declining in aptitude and being eclipsed by newcomers as I played less and less. I also made a few friends in that community whom I've kept in touch with.

But by 18/19 it was time to move on. I had more challenging school work to complete, I had to get a part time job, and shifting gears helped me eventually achieve a degree of professional success. A lot of other people in those games did not move on, they have kept playing 20, 30, 40 hours a week and it's interfering with their maturation process.

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Muscles won't improve your quality of life.

It's a trade-off anyway, you lose time, money (for the food, the supplements and the membership), and energy, for what?

So you can hope that maybe women will notice your muscles under your clothes and fall for you while they wouldn't have if you had less muscles?

Not going to happen. Either a girl is attracted to you or she isn't. If she wasn't attracted to you when you had no muscles, she won't be once you do.

Hair won't improve your quality of life.

It's a trade-off anyway, you lose time, money (for the pills), and energy, for what?

So you can hope that maybe women will notice your hair on top of your bones and fall for you while they wouldn't have if you had less hair?

Not going to happen. Either a girl is attracted to you or she isn't. If she wasn't attracted to you when you had no hair, she won't be once you do.

 

[Dante92]

I don't see muscles helping you at all. Like her friends will say: "Yeah he's ugly but at least he's go muscles!"

You wish. Stop comparing muscles with hair.

Even shookwun, long-time bodybuilder, said he would chose hair over muscles anytime.

Hair is infinitely more important than muscles.

Stop coping David, you cannot compensate for a bald head with big muscles.

This BS has been debunked here many times.

Try to keep your hair, lose the weight, and forget about getting big.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Minoxidil: 2 minutes to apply everyday. 60 hours and 1000€ since I've started.

Hair transplant: 17 hours and done. 4500€.

You're right, so much time and money lost.

I should have remained a slick bald NW5 uncle and kept those 5500€.

Damn now these 77 hours are lost forever!

A girl is attracted to you or she isn't, but she's also influenced by society.

Yes, she will be attracted to you hair or not. My experiences confirm it.

But she cannot date a bald guy, she can do better! With hair, there's more chance that she will stay.

I don't see muscles helping you at all. Like her friends will say: "Yeah he's ugly but at least he's go muscles!"

You wish. Stop comparing muscles with hair.

Even shookwun, long-time bodybuilder, said he would chose hair over muscles anytime.

Hair is infinitely more important than muscles.

Also, hair won't improve your quality of life?

You know you're telling that to a guy who had a life-changing hair transplant, right?

Stop coping David, you cannot compensate for a bald head with big muscles.

This BS has been debunked here many times.

Try to keep your hair, lose the weight, and forget about getting big.

Looks are very important in society.

People should do everything they can to present well within the range of increased marginal returns. That means better clothes, for example get $100 shoes but maybe not $400 shoes, unless you work in finance/law. And so on for everything else.

In your case, you did well investing in minoxidil and hair transplants. That was a fabulous investment of time and money for you. And maybe you should have stopped there. It's not clear if the additional time you've invested into 6,000 posts is worth it. Neither is it clear for that matter that I'm not wasting my time posting here now that I've found a regimen. The ideal for me might simply be to leave at this point, but to be a nice guy and post an update with pics in 3 months. Time is precious and I should go do better things. In the meantime, I'll keep procrastinating on dishes and laundry by debating you

In general though, the empirical data are that women prefer moderate muscles (not Ronnie Coleman), here's some good discussion:
http://www.diet-blog.com/07/are_muscular_men_more_attractive.php

Tones and built were considered the most sexually desirable. The one called "chubby" was deemed by women (141 women so a good sample) to be the most loyal. Of course he's the most loyal -- he has no other options. I bet they'd take their chances though and be with toned and/or built. By the way the labels at the top were not included in the experiment, lol.

You can also look at this study, it's a very famous image(s) of the perfect body types according to men and women:

The ideal is not as much muscle as men think, but still more muscle than most men have.

A while back a female friend told me to change my photos for online dating. She said I should roll up my sleeves, so that women could see the hairiness and muscular definition on my forearms. She said the same advice had worked well for another male friend. I got a photo like that and my number of hits in online dating shot up. Not as much as I would like, but it was nevertheless an improvement. She said one of the differences between men and women is that men are always so covered it up it's hard to tell who's actually sexy, and thus definition in the forearms (and a well-shaped ***) is really indicative. She also gave me some advice on what kind of pants emphasize *** better but I didn't really get what she mean, I plan to go back to it after I've reached to ~80 Kg and go on a shopping spree. Right now I've lost enough weight that none of my clothes fit, so I doubt anything emphasizes my ***.

 

[CopeForLife]

gym is a cope

muscles + bald = overcompensation

petite guy (my avatar or bieber) who never went to gym > bald meathead



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