Hair Follicle Primordiums - Is 2020 The Year Where It All Ends?

iamgotham

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So as some of you know Riken will start human trials next year, for the HF Primordiums treatment, developed by Dr. Takashi Tsuji.

This new treatment is probably our best chance for a cure in the next following years, however nothing is guaranteed since nobody knows if the treatment will work in humans. Unfortunately we already saw several treatments working in mice, that failed when applied to humans.

I made this thread, for the community to start discussing the possibility of a 2020 release date, and to share new updates regarding Riken's treatment.

So, do you believe in a 2020 release date (in Japan)? Are you optimistic about this new approach?

(sorry for the bad English, but is not my native language)

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October, 2008

https://www.gov-online.go.jp/eng/publicity/book/hlj/html/201810/201810_10_en.html

Regenerative medicine is at the core of twenty-first century medical treatment and it is strategically important for Japan to develop this high-value industry.
“We pursue innovations in this area of research and development at a world-class level, and it is our mission to make it happen both within and beyond Japan,” Tsuji and Sugimura agree. “Regenerating hair follicles is the beginning of that road, and after preclinical and safety testing our goal is to implement it by 2020. Starting by curing baldness, our intention is to develop an industry aimed at improving quality of life.”

June, 2018

Problems and solutions for clinical application to humans

There were two major challenges to applying hair follicle regeneration technology to humans. 1) The need to develop an in vitro amplification method for epithelial stem cells and dermal papilla cells Previously, epithelial stem cells had not been identified, and it was known that the hair follicle regenerative capacity of cells disappears while cultured in vitro. However, we have overcome these problems with mouse and human cells after research activities over 7 years. 2) The development of a robust method for the mass production of regenerated hair follicles Conventionally, regenerated hair follicles were produced manually by compartmentalizing two types of stem cells into a collagen gel at a high density in a cell suspension of ten thousandth of a milliliter. Therefore, it was very difficult to stably mass-produce regenerated hair follicles, and we needed to develop a new technology to overcome this for the clinical application. We succeeded in developing this technology with collaborative research with Kyocera Corporation, which began in 2016. With the success of these developments and by overcoming the other challenges to carrying out clinical research, we have advanced to the P0 stage (preclinical testing) in RIKEN Program for Drug Discovery and Medical Technology Platforms. Based on this program, RIKEN is playing a role in the preclinical research and academic validation of the amplification and cultivation technology of human cells. Organ Technologies, Inc. will establish the manufacturing and quality-control system for conducting the preclinical tests. Kyocera will provide novel methos for manufacturing regenerated hair follicles.

Schedule

Under the plan, we will begin manufacturing samples for preclinical tests in July 2018 and we will conduct preclinical safety tests using animals. We plan to complete the safety testing in 2018. If the results of the preclinical safety tests are successful, we will apply for clinical research to the Certified Special Committee or Certified Committee for Regenerative Medicine. After receiving approval from the Committee, we will present a provisional plan to the Minister of Health, Labor and Welfare, and will shift toward implementation of clinical research. The details of the clinical research will be announced before the initiation of the research.
 
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iamgotham

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Yes, I agree with this prediction. Hair cloning should be in the market for years. We are late.

This would be great for many of us!

If you had a hair transplant during 2019, you would start to see the final results of it in 2020, and by then this new treatment would be released in Japan.

Guys going for this approach would be the first to beat hair loss in the history of mankind.
 

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(sorry for the bad English, but is not my native language)
That was like perfect English.

Anywho I'm a little concerned how long the safety trial is going to be on humans sounds like 6 months maybe a year if they commercialize in 2020. That's not really that long to see if there might be problems after implantation I'm no expert though.
 

iamgotham

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That was like perfect English.

Anywho I'm a little concerned how long the safety trial is going to be on humans sounds like 6 months maybe a year if they commercialize in 2020. That's not really that long to see if there might be problems after implantation I'm no expert though.

Thanks H!

Yep, you're right. I've two main concerns regarding this:

- "Efficacy" in humans;
- Safety profile / possible problems after implantation.

I'm no expert either, but the timeline seems really short for such a complex treatment (or maybe not)!
 

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Also guys, regarding price - how much do you think this treatment will cost?

Personally I think something between 40k - 50k (+flights +accommodation to Japan).


imagine that a hair transplant surgery would cost that 40k-50k .. who would do it? few people. Instead putting the current price 6-8k there are more people willing to pay and more benefits.
 

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imagine that a hair transplant surgery would cost that 40k-50k .. who would do it? few people. Instead putting the current price 6-8k there are more people willing to pay and more benefits.


my bet

cloning of 1 hairfolicle will cost 100 eur in the beginning
 

iamgotham

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imagine that a hair transplant surgery would cost that 40k-50k .. who would do it? few people. Instead putting the current price 6-8k there are more people willing to pay and more benefits.

Honestly in my case, I would pay that much for a full head of hair and I bet that thousands of guys would also do it.

But, sure I would prefer to pay 10k...!
 

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Hair cloning would lower the costs of hair transplants, and hair transplant doctors will be more than willing to harvest as many grafts as possible to make the most amount of money before hair transplant goes out of business. Imagine how much more cheap hair transplants will get in Turkey!
 

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Hair cloning would lower the costs of hair transplants, and hair transplant doctors will be more than willing to harvest as much grafts as possible to make the most amount of money before hair transplant goes out of business. Imagine how much more cheap hair transplants will get in Turkey!


no

how much do you think cloning 1 hairfolicle costs? also how many labatories will be able to clone hairfolicles in the first years?


do you even know how expensive this kind of sh*t is
 

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Am sorry but can someone tell me what the purpose of this thread is ?
We are going through the same circle by the way you know
 

Me Vs DiffuseThinning

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no

how much do you think cloning 1 hairfolicle costs? also how many labatories will be able to clone hairfolicles in the first years?


do you even know how expensive this kind of sh*t is
you're a f*****g idiot, if you legitimately believe one follicle=100euros.
 

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you're a f*****g idiot, if you legitimately believe one follicle=100euros.

keep believing cloning hairfolicles in highly specialised labatories will only costs a few euros per hairfolicle in the first years


how delusional or better - how desperate - must you be
 

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Tsuji released his treatment and I dont know ?!

Seriously - I want to be optimistic too but were now like the poor people that plan what they do in the money when they win the lottery.

another question :

a lot of people here says that 15 years ago, people like us talked about a future treatment to cure baldness, but then there really were so many future treatments like today or were we really close to that then ever ?
 

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imagine that a hair transplant surgery would cost that 40k-50k .. who would do it? few people. Instead putting the current price 6-8k there are more people willing to pay and more benefits.

High norwoods obviously.
 

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That was like perfect English.

Anywho I'm a little concerned how long the safety trial is going to be on humans sounds like 6 months maybe a year if they commercialize in 2020. That's not really that long to see if there might be problems after implantation I'm no expert though.

My thought to the 6 month safety evaluation:

The safety is iregardless of the time but the number of cell divisions. So I guess they can evaluate the long term safety outside the human body n an enviroment which speeds up the cell division. If that is what they are doing parallel to the trial where they implant the follicles into the head they can get a safety profile for many years in 6 months.

(That is a common technic in sience to speed up processes to know in short time how they behave in long term. I m not sure if this is really possible for human safety)
 

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so have they actually sucessfully cloned even 1 single follicle in a human yet?
 
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