Garlic works by the same mechanism of action as minoxidil

[czecha]

Why would you want something which is not proven to work, even if minoxidil works because of potassium channel opening, why not use a more potent version of it as topical min which works in about 60% of people, what if garlic works in 1/100 people for Androgenetic Alopecia? Its like why use saw palmetto when it does the same thing but at sh*t potency and can cause same sides. The question is what is the molecule in garlic which causes this.

minoxidil has systemic anti androgenic properties
minoxidil gives me under eye bags and sh*t skin in the face, as well as heart palpitations if i do not stop any cardio. if sides were no concern i would pop a dutasteride tablet every day. but the truth is even minoxidil is bad for you

 

[Michael1986]

I read a study which explored how minoxidil works. Minoxidil's mode of action is complicated and multifaceted, and involves a lot more than just opening potassium channels. And as others in this thread have said, not all potassium channel openers have been found to help with hair loss.

If garlic was really as effective as finasteride or dutasteride (which somebody implied earlier in this thread), we would have discovered this by now having lived on this earth for thousands of years.

 

[TurboFixer]

I want to believe. But good find, who will be the guinea pig?

It shouldn't be hard to get a hold of existing guinea pigs

that guy stephen's video has been around for half a decade

One Malay guy in the comments linked his email. I sent him one the other day we will see if he responds as it has been 6 months since he posted it.

 

[sonictemples]

You can't maintain with minoxidil let alone garlic lmao so I don't see a point to use it

 

[TurboFixer]

You can't maintain with minoxidil let alone garlic lmao so I don't see a point to use it

I see what you mean but if you are regrowing the way the guy you linked in this post did:

You may wanna check this dude out

Then that is more than enough to maintain if you keep doing it right?

He seemed to think that ketoconazole shampoo was enough to stop hair loss. This is why I thought he had a bacteria or fungus issue rather than male pattern baldness.

 

[Michael1986]

I see what you mean but if you are regrowing the way the guy you linked in this post did:


Then that is more than enough to maintain if you keep doing it right?

He seemed to think that ketoconazole shampoo was enough to stop hair loss. This is why I thought he had a bacteria or fungus issue rather than male pattern baldness.

Yes he might have had a different form of hair loss. And even if it was male pattern baldness that he had, it is still just one guy's anecdote in an uncontrolled setting. The photos he provided are not the clearest, and his hair is fairly long which makes it harder to see the state of his hair loss. And for all we know, he could have used concealers in his after photos, or he could have secretly been on finasteride the whole time. We have no way to know.

 

[czecha]

I want to believe. But good find, who will be the guinea pig?

me. Im starting this sh*t tonight or tomorrow. I have some eczema on the back of my head that never heals and have dealt with candida before. lets see

 

[czecha]

I see what you mean but if you are regrowing the way the guy you linked in this post did:


Then that is more than enough to maintain if you keep doing it right?

He seemed to think that ketoconazole shampoo was enough to stop hair loss. This is why I thought he had a bacteria or fungus issue rather than male pattern baldness.

i think the idea behind this approach is that male pattern baldness IS a fungus issue.

it's not a bad theory at all actually. we know fungus will upregulate dht.

this also seems to be a way to actually locally tackle dht (if funghi are the problem) because you just stop the upregulation, not your systemic dht. so you would get to the root of the issue and stay a man

 

[czecha]

Yes he might have had a different form of hair loss. And even if it was male pattern baldness that he had, it is still just one guy's anecdote in an uncontrolled setting. The photos he provided are not the clearest, and his hair is fairly long which makes it harder to see the state of his hair loss. And for all we know, he could have used concealers in his after photos, or he could have secretly been on finasteride the whole time. We have no way to know.

we have no way to know but I think he has nothing to hide. in one of his video he puts the lotion in an old minoxidil container. so he has used minoxidil.

would he just blatantly show that on camera if he was fake? i doubt it

 

[czecha]

really good point


its just strange that nizoral would be enough to stop male pattern baldness

i think the issue with nizoral is that one: you only apply it to your head like twice a week. and most importantly 2: you treat the issue, but leave your scalp in a dry and bad state afterwards and you will just get the same funghi again. I think minoxidil partly has that issue as well. It would work even better if it didn't try our skin out at the same time.
The promise of this approach would be to 1. treat the funghi/bacteria issue while 2. nourishing your scalp at the same time and let it heal

what topical does that? everything that works (temporarily really) is just a f*****g bandaid. and finasteride is a nuke.

I guess just wait for my experiment. I will document it for you guys in case it works. But it will definitely take time. I hope to see something after 1-2 months.

 

[czecha]

I read a study which explored how minoxidil works. Minoxidil's mode of action is complicated and multifaceted, and involves a lot more than just opening potassium channels. And as others in this thread have said, not all potassium channel openers have been found to help with hair loss.

If garlic was really as effective as finasteride or dutasteride (which somebody implied earlier in this thread), we would have discovered this by now having lived on this earth for thousands of years.

it has been discovered, just not in societies you hear a lot about (india) and not by "science" since it's impossible to commodify garlic

also, it smells

I'm not even convinced this will work, but a 5% chance is worth it for me, and I'll give it that

 

[badhabiz]

garlic is much more than this, it has also anti dht properties:

(PDF) The potential curative and preventive effects of garlic on testosterone-induced benign prostatic hyperplasia in orchiectomized rats

PDF | Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) is a common aging disease in men. Garlic is known to have anti-proliferative effects. Therefore, this study was... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

Anti-Proliferation Effects of Garlic (Allium sativum L.) on the Progression of Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia - PubMed

Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) is a urologic disease that affects most of men over the age 50. But until now there is no such perfect cure without side effects. Because of diverse adverse effects, it is desirable to develop effective and long term-safety-herbal medicines to inhibit the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[czecha]

garlic is much more than this, it has also anti dht properties:

(PDF) The potential curative and preventive effects of garlic on testosterone-induced benign prostatic hyperplasia in orchiectomized rats

PDF | Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) is a common aging disease in men. Garlic is known to have anti-proliferative effects. Therefore, this study was... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

Anti-Proliferation Effects of Garlic (Allium sativum L.) on the Progression of Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia - PubMed

Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) is a urologic disease that affects most of men over the age 50. But until now there is no such perfect cure without side effects. Because of diverse adverse effects, it is desirable to develop effective and long term-safety-herbal medicines to inhibit the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

interesting. seem like it tackles a lot of things we don't want for hair.
after eating a raw piece of garlic every day for 3 days my mental is much clearer. probably killed of plenty of bacteria and reduced endotoxin in my gut that I was dealing with. Tongue coating went away as well. Gotta be careful to not overburden your gut though

 

[badhabiz]

interesting. seem like it tackles a lot of things we don't want for hair.
after eating a raw piece of garlic every day for 3 days my mental is much clearer. probably killed of plenty of bacteria and reduced endotoxin in my gut that I was dealing with. Tongue coating went away as well. Gotta be careful to not overburden your gut though

to me, outside of hair, the most impactful thing its the reduction of systolic blood pressure
but yes, you need not to overdose it

 

[Andi0501]

i think the idea behind this approach is that male pattern baldness IS a fungus issue.

it's not a bad theory at all actually. we know fungus will upregulate dht.

this also seems to be a way to actually locally tackle dht (if funghi are the problem) because you just stop the upregulation, not your systemic dht. so you would get to the root of the issue and stay a man

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i think the idea behind this approach is that male pattern baldness IS a fungus issue.

it's not a bad theory at all actually. we know fungus will upregulate dht.

this also seems to be a way to actually locally tackle dht (if funghi are the problem) because you just stop the upregulation, not your systemic dht. so you would get to the root of the issue and stay a man

Sounds quite interesting and logical.
Maybe fungus plays a bigger role in baldness and increase in DHT than previously thought!

 

[czecha]

just applied my first dose. smell is obviously not great but more bearable than I thought. Smells like a salad dressing lol.

I'm putting that sh*t all over my face too in the beginning. Feels refreshing.

1 red onion + 5 garlic pieces + tbsp acv was exactly 1 minoxidil container after pressing it through nylon.
Planning to reapply every couple hours as good if possible.
Taking pics before shaving tomorrow. Also of beard just in case.

 

[czecha]

on rpf some dude theorizes that its malassezia causing Androgenetic Alopecia by turning sebum into pufa and thus triggering inflammation. I kind of buy it, because everytime I eat something fatty, I have the need to wash my face afterwards.

"The Actual Cure For Male Pattern Baldness"

what about topically in a bottle of ethanol? It dissolves in water like salt and can be sprayed through a minoxidil type bottle. I do it a few times a week a little while before a shower. It tingles a bit like magnesium oil does. Spray potassium bicarbonate on and magnesium oil on afterward on...

raypeatforum.com

wikipedia on malassezia:

There are several natural antifungal remedies for seborrhoeic dermatitis including garlic, onions, coconut oil, apple cider vinegar, tea tree oil (Melaleuca alternifolia oil), honey, and cinnamic acid.[22][23][24] The efficacy of these natural treatments can vary considerably between individuals.[citation needed]

I was also diagnosed with seborr d. when my hair started to fall.

 

[Andi0501]

just applied my first dose. smell is obviously not great but more bearable than I thought. Smells like a salad dressing lol.

I'm putting that sh*t all over my face too in the beginning. Feels refreshing.

1 red onion + 5 garlic pieces + tbsp acv was exactly 1 minoxidil container after pressing it through nylon.
Planning to reapply every couple hours as good if possible.
Taking pics before shaving tomorrow. Also of beard just in case.

 

[Andi0501]

Maybe after applying garlic it would be good to first pull a plastic bag over the area of the hair and then put a cap over it to leave the garlic on overnight and to protect the pillow

 

[czecha]

Maybe after applying garlic it would be good to first pull a plastic bag over the area of the hair and then put a cap over it to leave the garlic on overnight and to protect the pillow

its not oily like minoxidil. the lotion dries minutes after application.