fitness running and hair loss

[shineman921]

Appreciate the civil response mate. Clearly some idiots on this board don't believe people should express opinions and views.

It's more like people hate the spread of misinformation

Take s.a.f or dudemon for example. They have heard all the old wive's tales before. The last place you want to read about stress, diet, or any other ridiculous theory about hair loss is in a community for baldness sufferers

Then what you are saying is we keep the discussion on the forum to only scientifically proven treatments (if that's the right word)? Discussions about minoxidil and finasteride and finasteride and minoxidil and minoxidil and finasteride etc etc. It would be a very dull forum!

..and by the way, I wasn't the actual originator of this discussion so I'm clearly not the only 'idiot'!

 

[s.a.f]

It's more like people hate the spread of misinformation

Take s.a.f or dudemon for example. They have heard all the old wive's tales before. The last place you want to read about stress, diet, or any other ridiculous theory about hair loss is in a community for baldness sufferers

Then what you are saying is we keep the discussion on the forum to only scientifically proven treatments (if that's the right word)? Discussions about minoxidil and finasteride and finasteride and minoxidil and minoxidil and finasteride etc etc. It would be a very dull forum!

..and by the way, I wasn't the actual originator of this discussion so I'm clearly not the only 'idiot'!

I'd rather have a dull board than one that spreads baseless theories and misinformations. Its better viewers get real facts about what actually works than be bombarded with stupid and pointless information.

And yes there are and have been plenty of other idiots on here posting their theories as fact and wasting everybodies time. So the sooner we address the problem and educate people against these type of old wives tales the better.

Think about it, if you're mother was 5'1" and your dad was 5'3" would you blame your short height on bad diet or lack of excercise? Go on any short people's forum and you'll find idiots doing just this. Offering theories like drinking 2ltrs of milk a day will help you grow taller, or hanging upside down will give you and extra 3".

 

[shineman921]

Then what you are saying is we keep the discussion on the forum to only scientifically proven treatments (if that's the right word)? Discussions about minoxidil and finasteride and finasteride and minoxidil and minoxidil and finasteride etc etc. It would be a very dull forum!

..and by the way, I wasn't the actual originator of this discussion so I'm clearly not the only 'idiot'![/quote]

I'd rather have a dull board than one that spreads baseless theories and misinformations. Its better viewers get real facts about what actually works than be bombarded with stupid and pointless information.

And yes there are and have been plenty of other idiots on here posting their theories as fact and wasting everybodies time. So the sooner we address the problem and educate people against these type of old wives tales the better.

Think about it, if you're mother was 5'1" and your dad was 5'3" would you blame your short height on bad diet or lack of excercise? Go on any short people's forum and you'll find idiots doing just this. Offering theories like drinking 2ltrs of milk a day will help you grow taller, or hanging upside down will give you and extra 3".[/quote]















..but then why have a forum at all? There is a board in the forum entitled "Experimental Treatments, Vitamins & Supplements'. Why? In your world we should stick to the facts. I guess your forum would have three Boards. We don't need to discuss causes of hairloss because it's all in the genes; the clock ticks and at the stroke of midnight you hairloss kicks in. So, treatments, well we are keeping to facts so maybe a separate Board for minoxidil and another for finasteride. Lastly, I guess you would be ok with a Support Board as long as it concentrates on the sharing of coping mechanisms and doesn't venture onto 'alternative' treatments that some have found success with.

I assume SAF that you can back up your authoritative rhetoric with a medical degree? Somethings tells me you are just like the rest of us and use Google to find answers.

Lastly, I don't think the theory behind weight training increasing testosterone thus increasing DHT is actually baseless. If you have been on this board long enough and carried out your research properly you will know that the trigger for hairloss is rather complex.

Take a chill pill big fella and let people ask questions they want answers to and let people talk about whichever theories they want. No one on here as the right to bully other users.

"drinking 2ltrs of milk a day will help you grow taller"; may give it a ago. Does anyone know of any theories about milk causing hairloss?

 

[slurms mackenzie]

DHT levels are IRRELAVENT!!!

Seriously?

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Think about it, if you're mother was 5'1" and your dad was 5'3" would you blame your short height on bad diet?

Maybe not but are you honestly now suggesting there's no link between height and diet?

would you like me to get the links for you?

 

[freakout]

Many grandchildren are taller than their grandparents because they were eating more. This is the case in Japan.

The lifestyle and environment of our ancestors affect us by way of genes and adaptation.

But our lifestyle and environment also influence the expression of our genes within our lifetime particularly on degenerative conditions.

Its' called epigenetics - Epigenetics. Genes are chemically incapable of expressing by themselves. And 'epi' or a control or influencing factor causes them to.

 

[bigentries]

I assume SAF that you can back up your authoritative rhetoric with a medical degree? Somethings tells me you are just like the rest of us and use Google to find answers.

But that is the sensible thing to do

We are not authorities in the medical field. We shouldn't be spreading theories that just are just backed up by our imagination.

That is not to say that we can't debate about these things. People debate all the time about medicine, sociology, philosophy, physics, etc, even if they don't have too much knowledge. But they back it up with facts brought up by people with an expertise on the field.

I can say that black holes are a bunch of crap. But I should expect to be heavily attacked (and ridiculed) because it is an accepted theory by most physicists, people who actually know something about the topic

You can all bring these theories about stress, food, androgens denial, but don't expect an easy ride.

 

[shineman921]

I assume SAF that you can back up your authoritative rhetoric with a medical degree? Somethings tells me you are just like the rest of us and use Google to find answers.

But that is the sensible thing to do

We are not authorities in the medical field. We shouldn't be spreading theories that just are just backed up by our imagination.

That is not to say that we can't debate about these things. People debate all the time about medicine, sociology, philosophy, physics, etc, even if they don't have too much knowledge. But they back it up with facts brought up by people with an expertise on the field.

I can say that black holes are a bunch of crap. But I should expect to be heavily attacked (and ridiculed) because it is an accepted theory by most physicists, people who actually know something about the topic

You can all bring these theories about stress, food, androgens denial, but don't expect an easy ride.

..and neither should we expect to be bullied. Again, I go back to asking what the point of this forums is if we can't debate theory and anecdotal stuff.

"You can all bring these theories about stress, food, androgens denial, but don't expect an easy ride." LOL. WHO DO YOU LOT THINK YOU ARE!! Don't you expect an easy ride sunshine.

 

[s.a.f]

Theres a section for experimental treatments - This one is for real stuff.

 

[s.a.f]

DHT levels are IRRELAVENT!!!

Seriously?

YES seriously, I suppose you must think that Larry David has some of the highest hormone levels known to man and Brad pitt has the lowest. There are NW1 bodybuilders who inject this stuff in massive quantities without losing any hair at all. Why? because their follicles are not sensitive to it.
If you have m.p.b in your genes just living day to day is going to cause you to lose hair!
Unless you can reduce levels almost completley you wont make a difference and only Finasteride or Dutesteride can do this (and even that does'nt work for some people). Changing what you eat will not have anywear near that kind of effect.

 

[freakout]

Tsk tsk. They think they have the holy grail of male baldness e.g. genes and male hormones. I apologize for how you have been met with your views, shineman921 even while I continue to be ridiculed by supposed 'experts' in the "science" of male pattern baldness.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

[quote="sir chugalot":3828svjn]

DHT levels are IRRELAVENT!!!

Seriously?

YES seriously, I suppose you must think that Larry David has some of the highest hormone levels known to man and Brad pitt has the lowest. There are NW1 bodybuilders who inject this stuff in massive quantities without losing any hair at all. Why? because their follicles are not sensitive to it.
If you have m.p.b in your genes just living day to day is going to cause you to lose hair!
Unless you can reduce levels almost completley you wont make a difference and only Finasteride or Dutesteride can do this (and even that does'nt work for some people). Changing what you eat will not have anywear near that kind of effect.[/quote:3828svjn]

For one the statement "Unless you can reduce levels almost completley you wont make a difference" means that you accept DHT levels are relevant, completely contradicting what you said.

Two, finasteride does not reduce levels almost completely not that there is such a measure as almost completely. Would you like a figure? It's 70% (ish) that is not completely. Is it ? What's 30% that would be nearly a third, how can DHT be irrelevant ? when a 70% swing is the difference for those genetically predisposed to hair loss between further hair loss and maintenance, and to think you have the balls to come on here and attack people for spreading misinformation, when i'd love to see you refute these hard cold facts.

How do i know what other peoples androgen levels are? Why would you even think i'd know what Larry Davids hormone levels are, that's crazy! I can guess peoples hair follicles sensitivity based upon how much hair they've lost (well even that's harder these days with effective treatments)

Are you also to deny that insulin levels have some role in hair loss , would you like me to get studies which suggest they have a role, making such a discussion valid (please don't make me painfully explain why fitness could be linked to insulin)

When there's a study that creatine use can raise DHT by 56% why is it not valid to mention that.


Here's the buzz, SAF, DHT Is not a binary switch, it's not true or false, on or off, neither are hair loss cures, Just because a 15% change would never make a difference for you, doesn't mean it couldn't affect someone else,we have a real world sample size of billions.

Not one!

 

[bigentries]

Tsk tsk. They think they have the holy grail of male baldness e.g. genes and male hormones. I apologize for how you have been met with your views, shineman921 even while I continue to be ridiculed by supposed 'experts' in the "science" of male pattern baldness.

Well I love this Carl Sagan quote

What counts is not what sounds plausible, not what we would like to believe, not what one or two witnesses claim, but only what is supported by hard evidence rigorously and skeptically examined. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

We are not "experts" in male pattern baldness. We trust in the real experts. Yes, we Google our answers.
They might be wrong? probably, we know they don't have the whole scenario resolved. But they have provided the evidence and that is what we must believe. Not some way that "thinks" baldness in related to obesity or can be cured with apple vinegar

 

[freakout]

But they have provided the evidence and that is what we must believe. Not some way that "thinks" baldness in related to obesity or can be cured with apple vinegar

What 'evidence'?? That male hormones are directly responsible for baldness?

Tell me what you think of this real IN VIVO evidence. I would like to read your opinion on this.

viewtopic.php?p=611106#p611106

 

[bigentries]

But they have provided the evidence and that is what we must believe. Not some way that "thinks" baldness in related to obesity or can be cured with apple vinegar

What 'evidence'?? That male hormones are directly responsible for baldness?

Tell me what you think of this real IN VIVO evidence. I would like to read your opinion on this.

viewtopic.php?p=611106#p611106

People have already refuted your post there. And the fact that you misquote studies to shape your claims is just sad.
I don't even know why you still link it in your sign. It's like a quack sending people to a real doctor.

 

[freakout]

People have already refuted your post there. And the fact that you misquote studies to shape your claims is just sad.
I don't even know why you still link it in your sign. It's like a quack sending people to a real doctor.

Did you see a geneticists in the thread say "or is it because he (freakout) is right?"

Do you have an opinion of our own or of nameless 'experts' in that thread?

Did it occur to you that that study and conclusion was made by experts with names and PhDs?

 

[bigentries]

People have already refuted your post there. And the fact that you misquote studies to shape your claims is just sad.
I don't even know why you still link it in your sign. It's like a quack sending people to a real doctor.

Did you see a geneticists in the thread say "or is it because he (freakout) is right?"

Do you have an opinion of our own or of nameless 'experts' in that thread?

Did it occur to you that that study and conclusion was made by experts with names and PhDs?

I don't need to have an opinion dude. Bryan and the others (unlike you and me) have way more knowledge in that matter.

Look, I have the opinion that the Western diet (rich in protein) has a link to an increase in male sexual hormones. That's why populations tend to grow taller after being introduced to a Western diet. And yes, I believe something like that might have a connection to male pattern baldness.
Do I need to try to convince people about it? No, it's just a personal opinion. I would look like a fool if I tried to misquote studies and take rats studies as evidence.

 

[freakout]

Bryan is your "expert"??? :woot: He's quoting fifty-year-old studies. In the mouse study, he even made the mistake of acknowledging that male pattern baldness is immunologiaclly ralated. He contradicted himself!

... misquote studies and take rats studies as evidence

"Misquote" was an allegation by Bryan because he has the propensity to confuse the matters. Did you even notice that I POSTED THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION BEFORE he posted the accusation'.

If rats and mice aren't viable models in experiments, then I guess every researcher with PhDs using them to do their work is dumb? :woot:

 

[Rashida16]

Hair loss treatments thus reduce the level of dyhdrotestosterone (DHT) in the body to stop hair loss. These hair loss products also lead to hair regrowth. Propecia is taken daily by the use of an oral tablet. Like any other hair loss products, to actually stop hair loss with use of the pill, the constant use is necessary. Irregular use of these hair loss treatments will not be able to continue to stop hair loss.

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