OMG that is a pretty low dose for gyno to start, it really is a trade with these kinds of regimens.For people trying to avoid breast growth, I present the following chart so that you can see just how little estradiol is likely to cause breast growth. Over 1 mg daily appears to be certainly enough to start breast growth. The second issue is that the only way to stop breast growth once it starts is not to titrate downward. You must desist because you can see how low these E2 levels are, so just saying, anyone in fear of developed mammaries, keep a sharp look out or down is it?
Hormone Levels During Normal Puberty in Cisgender Girls
Hormone Levels During Normal Puberty in Cisgender Girls by Alytransfemscience.org
Interesting, the emotional stuff I already have for basically all of my life, something like a cute picture can make me cry. I love to watch the sun rising, the beauty of it makes me so emotional and warm inside...
(Hopefully)Yeah, I've seen his posts earlier in the thread. I can see some similarity between him and me, although he seems to be pretty depressed and bitter, but I really empathize with that, hair loss screws with people's moods and feelings. I won't judge his hair issues, but I can assure you my hair loss is pretty bad.
That's what I'm thinking of doing at this point, just trying whatever, experimenting etc. If shedding did happen in my case I would ride it out, it can't get much worse then it is now, as there are only two options, either I try to do something radical to save my hair or just give up and go bald and that is something I really want to avoid, so if I have to accept some discomfort on the way, so be it. I could try just Fina/Duta and Minoxidil, or some more natural methods I read about online and have not tried yet, but with my family history and the current state of my hair it would be simply delaying the inevitable. So the choice is simple, either go all in or pretend to be happy with something that I know won't help me get my hair back as it was before I started balding.
This is very bad. I feel ya
And I don't think that HRT will do much. Some people on this thread forget that HRT stops in everyone further loss. But good to full regrowth is not guaranteed. Check out some HRT-content-based content creators, they talk sometimes about androgenetic alopecia / male pattern baldness. And it's very often said that by the start of HRT, A.G.A. stops progressing.That's why I'm here, I know it's too late for the traditional stuff like Fina/Duta and Minoxidil, even doctors told me it will only delay the inevitable. I am also aware of the dermatological aspects, I try to take care of my scalp by washing my hair a lot, exfoliating and I use a lot of supplements to keep my body healthy. But for hair regrowth in my situation I basically need something nuclear, and this thread looks like the stuff, and if it does not work I will have to learn to live with it, maybe get a transplant if I ever have enough money for it.This is very bad. I feel ya
You should know that with age dermal papilla cells are getting less and less, they vanish over time. Stem cells are there to bring in some "fresh air" into the hair's house lol. But somehow..., those, "the windows" are blocked. And posters on here suggest that Estrogen is the key for re-activation of that signaling. So no matter what, hair can be brought back, if it weren't for the fibrosis, which sets in a couple of years after loss.
This all is not guaranteed; YMMV.
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Well, try out HRT then, if you are ONLY comfortable with some irreversible changes. Playing with hormones is like playing with fire. And male pattern baldness is indeed a result of androgenic action, male sex hormones.That's why I'm here, I know it's too late for the traditional stuff like Fina/Duta and Minoxidil, even doctors told me it will only delay the inevitable. I am also aware of the dermatological aspects, I try to take care of my scalp by washing my hair a lot, exfoliating and I use a lot of supplements to keep my body healthy. But for hair regrowth in my situation I basically need something nuclear, and this thread looks like the stuff, and if it does not work I will have to learn to live with it, maybe get a transplant if I ever have enough money for it.
I just wish I did something about it earlier, when my balding started. But of course, whenever I spoke to somebody about it I was told to "man up" or I was laughed at, even by my own family. So I did try to "man up", I became toxic, depressed and a very shitty person in general. Now that part of my life is behind me, and my heart aches that I was hurting my body and soul for years, and I threw away my youth for alcohol, video games and a fake personality to gain acceptance from a toxic and hateful environment
But I can't change the past, so I'm trying to make up for it, and hair loss is one of the things I would really like to reverse, or at least try as much as I can...
Amazing hair. That drastic change... oh god..
I'm going to give myself some time to really think on this and decide what to do. I have a few options, although some of the stuff I've read on this thread is making me seriously consider going in with the strongest regimen I can get my hands on. Before reading this thread I would have not considered something as strong and risky as HRT, but the results some people had from it are really inspiring plus some other effects of it would not be that bad for me. So my options are the following :
And the worst thing about this is I could have done something much earlier, but instead I behaved like a total idiot. I have nobody to blame but myself especially my ignorance and fear to stand up for myself. I've added one more picture, the one where I first noticed balding has started. I was 17, close to 18 at the time.
I recognized it straight away, although if you think about it the full scene is pretty sad, poor potato girl Sasha. I've seen a few episodes of AOT, but I've never watched the whole series, will have to at some point as it's a bit of a cult classic in Anime and it seems to be good.
Prob. Bicalutamide. But as soon as you notice elevated liver enzyms, stop. All AA's aren't great for ya health.
Think about it like this: if you don't do anything you'll surely go bald, if you use HRT as a treatment you'll need to keep using it. So if minoxidil have to be forever the problem is most likely having to put in on your head twice a day the rest of your life, compared to some other diseases that have to be treated with lot of medications it's trivial and inexpensive.Thank you for your insight, KNemo
To be honest Minoxidil has me a bit worried, some people think it might cause dependency and that stopping it in the future makes you loose your gains.
The facts that finasteride is enough for most and that dutasteride isn't necessarily better anyway. Some people have switched back to finasteride after using dutasteride as they think it's more effective.
Yes it's that simple.
Thank you for your suggestion @whatintheworld , but transplants are pretty expensive and I don't really know what my financial situation will be in a few years, so for now I'm going to treat it as a last resort.
You got more courage then me by not caring about gyno
To be honest I'm also starting to care less about it every time I see my hair in the mirror, so maybe I'll be on your level soon. I won't lie, not caring would very much help me in deciding about my future regimen lol.Yeah, I'm considering Bica too as my first AA. And yes this is important advice @Die_before_me , If I do decide to go on AAs I will monitor my liver health quite closely and I advise you to do the same.
Since I was brave enough to post my pictures (It did take me a bit of thinking as I value my privacy a lot, but people here seem to be very nice so I thought screw it, I want people to know why I'm here.) I will be also brave enough to call my hair situation as it is : Totally screwed up and in urgent need of action.
That's really interesting @JaneyElizabeth , if I do take the plunge into E, maybe I'll consider going without AAs at first, just with Fina/Duta.
Yeah, what you are saying and what @KNemo said earlier is somewhat making me reconsider my stance on Minoxidil, who knows, maybe I will start using it.
After starting my spiritual journey I really don't care much about gender, like I said before it's something humans made up during the creation of hierarchical society in order to create roles in the hierarchy depending on a person's biological sex. The problem I have with this is the fact that it's really limiting, especially in countries like mine where gender roles are very rigid. Like I'm pretty feminine for a male in my behavior, my beliefs and my emotions, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, trying to suppress my real self led me to self destruction and near suicide. For some time I considered the possibility I might be trans, but as I said before, I don't have much overall dysphoria about my body, and I feel no need to change my name, pronouns, expression to female ones. I simply no longer care or even believe in gender at all. There are also spiritual reasons for this, I subscribe to the belief we all have both masculine and feminine energies in us and the best course of action is to balance them out in a harmonious union, divine androgyny and the like, but I won't go into that on here now, after all this is a forum about hair not spirituality
That's why I'm on this thread, I already said this but it looks like you see it as well. I need a nuclear regimen, the only question is do I have the balls to screw with my balls....and breasts... (Actually gyno bothers me much more, I'm a pretty weird guy for caring more about breast growth then my fertility and libido, 99% of young males in my country would rather die then hurt their dick, even if they got cancer lol.)
Interesting, it's good you said this, I will keep it in mind if I go for it and the gyno is too much to handle
I thought as much but I'm trying to delude myself in case I chicken out
HRT is going to be one of the biggest decisions in my life, as considering the experiences of the people on this thread, the effects are very real but the price is high. But I suppose it's part of becoming a mature person to make these kinds of decisions. I understand the weight of this, as I have done these kinds of decisions before, it took a lot maturity to deconstruct my former fake personality and return to the real me that I was trying to suppress.
