I'm planning on ditching estradiol, too. You should join our discord, by the way... I'll be leaving this website too, so if anyone else wants to join, they should PM me soon.
Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.
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I'm planning on ditching estradiol, too. You should join our discord, by the way... I'll be leaving this website too, so if anyone else wants to join, they should PM me soon.
Why are you ditching estradiol? do you think you can maintain your results with just dutasteride and bica? and why are you leaving? i think you should stay, ignore the trolls and haters, you bring valuable knowledge and results to the website. As for discord i sadly can't join, tbh i didn't even know what it was before i searched it up lol i thought it was just some sort of text based chat but i see it's audio/voice im not too comfortable with that, i have bad anxiety so talking to people like that isn't comfortable for me. Thanks for inviting me though.
I’m ditching estradiol because of my age; it can lead to permanent bone changes since it was started at eighteen. Maybe in some years, I’ll reintroduce it. Otherwise, my regimen will be CPA and bicalutamide, and cutting out 5AR inhibitors. I’m leaving this website because it’s come to a point of it being boring, and most of the members on this thread are on our discord server. It’s not a audio/voice situation, it’s text; none of us have engaged in voice activity.
My bad, i thought i had read it's voice based, i'll definitely join up then. Thanks
A lot of us didn’t legitimately plan to remain on estradiol for a lifetime, especially since AAs such as bicalutamide and cyproterone acetate will maintain the results. In my opinion, once the regrowth has came from estradiol, it’s best to maintain with a combination of bicalutamide and cyproterone acetate, with the latter being used instead of estradiol to limit the amount of testosterone production, whilst the former being used similarly to its initial use.
Nope, I’m only aware of bicalutamide being used alone. However, you can base the experience of using bicalutamide alone with it being combined with CPA, since CPA is just to lower your testosterone levels after its increased from bicalutamide. It’s just a substitute of estradiol, to lower the testosterone levels.
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You look beautiful.
Sad to see you two go.
Don’t be, I’ll still be updating my thread regarding my progress.
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Yes I'm stopping estradiol as mentioned before, estradiol was used to reverse the miniaturized hair but it isn't necessary to continue estradiol to maintain what It has grown, what's more important is to keep testosterone suppressed, I'm going to remain on Cyproterone Acetate and Dutasteride, I will come back in one year and let everybody know if i was correct in my decision to stop estradiol.
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That's great to hear you reached the point of being comfortable with your hair. It is definitively what we are all looking for here. And thank you for this latest update. It's a shame we won't see another one until 2021. The photos look great and the progress is obviously more than evident. Anyway, congratulations and I hope you can maintain the progress you've made.
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Drugs used throughout my 8 month HRT experiment: Estrofem, Oestrogel, Cyproterone Acetate, Avodart, Bicaludamide, Prometrium.
April: 1mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, 1mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. 12.5mg Cyproterone Acetate taken at 6:00PM.
May: 1mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, 1mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. 25mg Cyproterone Acetate taken at 6:00PM.
June: 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. 50mg Cyproterone Acetate taken at 6:00PM.
July: 2mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, 2mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. 12.5mg Cyproterone Acetate and 50mg Bicaludamide taken at 6:00PM.
August: 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, Estrofem 1mg taken sublingual at 12:00PM, 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. Estrofem 1mg taken sublingual at 12:00AM, 12.5mg Cyproterone Acetate and 50mg Bicaludamide taken at 6:00PM.
September: 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, Estrofem 1mg taken sublingual at 12:00PM, 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. Estrofem 1mg taken sublingual at 12:00AM, 12.5mg Cyproterone Acetate and 0.5mg Avodart and 50mg Bicaludamide taken at 6:00PM.
October: 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, Estrofem 2mg taken sublingual at 12:00PM, 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. Estrofem 2mg taken sublingual at 12:00AM, 50mg Cyproterone Acetate and 0.5mg Avodart and 100mg Prometrium [first 10 days of the month] taken at 6:00PM.
November: 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, Estrofem 2mg taken sublingual at 12:00PM, 1.25mg Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00PM. Estrofem 2mg taken sublingual at 12:00AM, 50mg Cyproterone Acetate and 0.5mg Avodart and 100mg Prometrium [first 10 days of the month] taken at 6:00PM.
December: 1.25 Oestrogel applied on inner thigh at 6:00AM, 50mg Cyproterone Acetate and 0.5mg Avodart and 100mg Prometrium [first 10 days of the month] taken at 6:00PM.
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does any one know whether bicalutamide alone will work or not?
What is your current level of balding? any pics?
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Can you leave this thread? 2/6 of your posts have been on this thread, bashing us for our decisions when it’s actually none of your goddamn business.
If you are directing a message, tag them or private message them.
‘This thread’, meaning you are including the rest of the people within this thread, leaving the rest of us to respond. In fact, you are most likely just mad that no one responded to you the first time.
And, to answer what you are saying: who is saying that using anti-androgens aren’t messing our health? I mean, it’s quite literal that these AAs have side effects including liver abnormalities, which makes it important to get blood tests. Minimising the health risks is what’s important, and that’s all you can do when you hold significant value with hair or have gender identity issues. But most of all, is it really your business? I mean, looking at your profile, your regimen is a razor so you must be another mad balding dude.
If you’re going to make a statement like that, regarding AAs altering ‘the 5AR enzyme permanently in many cases’, show the proof instead of saying that you’re going to show the article later. Nonetheless, gynecomastia can occur due to several reasons such as high estrogen, along with blocking androgens. You haven’t even seen our gynecomastia to comment that it’s lipomastia, and I can tell you right now that we do not have pseudogynecomastia.
What causes hair loss, in your opinion?
I mean, blood work can't dictate much besides knowing your testosterone and estradiol levels. I've had blood work, in which my testosterone levels were under 150 ng/dL and my estradiol levels were almost 200 pg/mL. I have minor sexual side effects, which is a lack of nocturnal/random erections, which is preferable since for myself since they were troublesome. And, there were no signs of liver abnormalities, and was classed as 'in the clear' by my endocrinologist. Which plays by the rule that you have to be strategic when using these medications, and use what is necessary rather than unnecessary. Personally, Bridge's and Anty's experiences with such medications are great scientific experiments. I mean, it's undeniable that Bridge's results are possibly the best results from medications and it has inspired many.
What medications were you using? My estradiol levels were almost 200 pg/mL, as stated before, and it's evident that the gynecomastia I'm experiencing is due to myself having estradiol levels within the aimed ranges for transgender women. It's definitely not pseudogynecomastia, especially since gynecomastia requires you to have 'firmness' under the nipple, whereas the former doesn't have that.
Actually, the anti-androgens most of us have switched to (bicalutamide) has considerably low liver abnormality rates. In fact, with the doses most of us are using (50mg/day), the rate of liver abnormalities is under 2% (not including the placebo rate), and that's with patients who have reduced liver function due to their older ages.
Hair loss does put you into an interesting mindset, where some people consider the lengths we go to for success as 'mental', and that's fine. Although, you have to remember that castration isn't something new when it comes to preserving beauty. It has been used within many cultures in the past, but nowadays it's demonised because it goes against the norms for a male. And, we are aware of the effects of these medications, it has been discussed multiple times within the hundreds of pages within this thread.
There is no 'we' when fighting hair loss. It's an individual experience, and it's up to you if you want to go to such lengths.
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Your mileage is going to vary. Some people report good results. It was a pretty bad match for me, personally.
It's definitely important to be very careful and accurate with our information when discussing these drugs, and to not promote their cavalier usage, but this underlying current of disgust in your posts is something for you to deal with yourself or else keep to yourself, because none of of the people you're trying to reach here really care if this bothers you, and society is moving past you in this regard.
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I think most people aren't just advocating for anyone to jump on hrt here unless they know what they're getting into. For the most part, this thread has typically been users talking about their own experiences and occasionally answering questions. It's also been stated numerous times throughout this thread about the potential for permanent infertility, loss of libido, bone density depreciation (if using only AA's longterm), etc. I personally start to sound like a broken record with how much I add this asterisk to my posts.
Where any "line" should be drawn is on personal decision. If someone wants to use these drugs after careful consideration, that's their choice. If they don't, that's great too.
As for eyelashes, body hair thickness tends to be the biggest precursor to eyelash length thickness. Likewise, men often have fuller eyelashes than women despite it being considered a "feminine" trait. That's why false eyelashes exist.