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Norwoody

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I get the vibe he's just troll posting hoping to hit 1,000 pages sooner so BB comes back, or he's just grifting in a trans related thread for the sake of it (BDD, repressor himself, who knows the cause)
Most likely. He's really never posted much here before, just hangs out in the coping section on a daily basis LOL
 

John Difool

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The return of BB wouldn't as impressive as the return of AntyDHTor. I would be very intrigued to know what happened to him more than anyone on this forum. Even BB named him as his inspiration in his first post.
 

MylovelyHair

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I get the vibe he's just troll posting hoping to hit 1,000 pages sooner so BB comes back, or he's just grifting in a trans related thread for the sake of it (BDD, repressor himself, who knows the cause)
How do you consume minoxidil that is for hair how much do you take sublingually and how do you know how many dropsyou have to drink?
 

recedingyt

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Are you trying to induce lactation and breastfeed on this? Watch out, Woody may ask you for a breast selfie.
Nope, that'll come later when I start weight cycling and taking Domperidone on my gaining cycles :) no tiddy pics for anyone though, unless I get a bf at some point.
How do you consume minoxidil that is for hair how much do you take sublingually and how do you know how many dropsyou have to drink?
I just take one drop and let it absorb for 2-3 mins under my tongue and then swallow it with a bit of water. If 20 drops = 1mL and there is 50mg minoxidil in 1mL, that should mean I'm dosing about 2.5mg. Also keep in mind I'm not doing this every day.
 

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Now I understand that if I took the right photos right away, I would probably have noticed progress in a month. HRT really works very quickly, and you don't have to wait 6 months or a year just to find out if something is working for you.

Today is 5 months of HRT, approaching Norwood 0, but the hair is too poor quality to be considered a good result.

My breasts have not grown, it looks like gynecomastia. Visible in a T-shirt, but not visible in a sweater / hoodie. I save money for an operation in the spring so that I don't have problems with wearing a T-shirt in the summer.

It is difficult to assess the feminization of the face, because I underwent plastic surgery for ptosis of the eyelids. But anyway, I look like a guy

Before HRT, I already had wrinkles on my face, on my forehead, as if I were 40 years old. Now I look better, and old acquaintances say that I have become younger. The mysterious story of Benjamin Button, lol.
 

kckcjl94

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Now I understand that if I took the right photos right away, I would probably have noticed progress in a month. HRT really works very quickly, and you don't have to wait 6 months or a year just to find out if something is working for you.

Today is 5 months of HRT, approaching Norwood 0, but the hair is too poor quality to be considered a good result.

My breasts have not grown, it looks like gynecomastia. Visible in a T-shirt, but not visible in a sweater / hoodie. I save money for an operation in the spring so that I don't have problems with wearing a T-shirt in the summer.

It is difficult to assess the feminization of the face, because I underwent plastic surgery for ptosis of the eyelids. But anyway, I look like a guy

Before HRT, I already had wrinkles on my face, on my forehead, as if I were 40 years old. Now I look better, and old acquaintances say that I have become younger. The mysterious story of Benjamin Button, lol.
what's your current hrt dosage?
 

MylovelyHair

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Nope, that'll come later when I start weight cycling and taking Domperidone on my gaining cycles :) no tiddy pics for anyone though, unless I get a bf at some point.

I just take one drop and let it absorb for 2-3 mins under my tongue and then swallow it with a bit of water. If 20 drops = 1mL and there is 50mg minoxidil in 1mL, that should mean I'm dosing about 2.5mg. Also keep in mind I'm not doing this every day.
How often should i do it ?? And how do i know if it is effective?? any sides?
 

John Difool

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I just take one drop and let it absorb for 2-3 mins under my tongue and then swallow it with a bit of water. If 20 drops = 1mL and there is 50mg minoxidil in 1mL, that should mean I'm dosing about 2.5mg. Also keep in mind I'm not doing this every da
minoxidil half life is 22 hours. By diluting your minoxidil in water (1:1), you can achieve ~1mg a day with one drop.
 

John Difool

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Holy ghost, you are at 15mg/14 day. EEn is best spread on 7 days cycle to avoid peaks. I use this simulator as a reference:


Select your choice of E2 and use repeat. You can see the difference between 7 and 14 days with EEn. Do you see that valley at 14 days? tthat's what you want to avoid. if your E serum level is fine, my recommendation would be to half the dose and poke yourself weekly.
 

MylovelyHair

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Now I understand that if I took the right photos right away, I would probably have noticed progress in a month. HRT really works very quickly, and you don't have to wait 6 months or a year just to find out if something is working for you.

Today is 5 months of HRT, approaching Norwood 0, but the hair is too poor quality to be considered a good result.

My breasts have not grown, it looks like gynecomastia. Visible in a T-shirt, but not visible in a sweater / hoodie. I save money for an operation in the spring so that I don't have problems with wearing a T-shirt in the summer.

It is difficult to assess the feminization of the face, because I underwent plastic surgery for ptosis of the eyelids. But anyway, I look like a guy

Before HRT, I already had wrinkles on my face, on my forehead, as if I were 40 years old. Now I look better, and old acquaintances say that I have become younger. The mysterious story of Benjamin Button, lol.
How is your hair on top/crown?? also after how many months does gyno went visible on T-shirts??
 

Almas_NW0

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Holy ghost, you are at 15mg/14 day. EEn is best spread on 7 days cycle to avoid peaks. I use this simulator as a reference:


Select your choice of E2 and use repeat. You can see the difference between 7 and 14 days with EEn. Do you see that valley at 14 days? tthat's what you want to avoid. if your E serum level is fine, my recommendation would be to half the dose and poke yourself weekly.
I know about this and even thought about what you are suggesting: injections every week. However, there is no evidence that this is better for hair growth. There is also speculation that E receptors are dulled if the E level is stable, and respond better to E if the E level fluctuates. Considering all this, I decided not to change anything in the mode and just continue, because it is convenient and I see the result. Thanks for the nice calculator with graphs, it's interesting.
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Almas_NW0

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How is your hair on top/crown?? also after how many months does gyno went visible on T-shirts??
Progresses slowly, as does temple hair
Gynecomastia was visible through the T-shirt even before HRT, when I only used Bicalutamide. She hasn't changed much since then.
 

MylovelyHair

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Progresses slowly, as does temple hair
Gynecomastia was visible through the T-shirt even before HRT, when I only used Bicalutamide. She hasn't changed much since then.
When you took bicalutamide alone did you have any hair thickenning and improvement??
 

recedingyt

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minoxidil half life is 22 hours. By diluting your minoxidil in water (1:1), you can achieve ~1mg a day with one drop.
That's actually a really good insight, will the additional water mess up the solution though? I may take a sacrificial bottle and try to dilute it 1:1 like that soon to see. 2.5mg seems higher than I really need, given that people in the sublingual study got pretty decent results from like as low as 0.45mg. And the lower I go, hopefully the lower my chances of hypertrichosis/bloat/skin sides.
How often should i do it ?? And how do i know if it is effective?? any sides?
Idk what your goals are or even enough about OM to give you recommendations like that. I can only say what I'm doing which is 1 drop 2-3x a week (topical 5% on days where I don't do oral). As for how to know if its working: if it grows hair its working. Lol. For sides, watch out for bloat (water retention), skin changes, heart/blood pressure problems, hypertrichosis, edema.
I know about this and even thought about what you are suggesting: injections every week. However, there is no evidence that this is better for hair growth. There is also speculation that E receptors are dulled if the E level is stable, and respond better to E if the E level fluctuates. Considering all this, I decided not to change anything in the mode and just continue, because it is convenient and I see the result. Thanks for the nice calculator with graphs, it's interesting.
I'm not trying to be obtuse but are there any studies you know of that point to stable levels being bad? AFAIK, stable levels are preferable in the majority of trans girls doing HRT. This is why I'm on a 3.5 day cycle with EV for example: more stable levels, less intense peaks/valleys. It helps a lot with keeping mood stable and personally I feel like I am getting better results this way too. This is the reason most trans girls now prefer to get pellet implants whenever possible: they offer the most stable levels available and most girls say they get better results from them. Dr Powers says that this is partly because of the stability, but also because pellets (and injections as well, but to a lesser degree) do not spike SHBG as much as other delivery methods. He claims that the best indicator of feminization on a lab result is not E2 levels directly, but Free E2 % (with 1-2% being 'ideal'). Transfemscience has a relatively accurate calculator for this if you have any recent lab results. SHBG binds to estrogen and prevents it from acting in the tissues around the body, which is what free E2 does. Hence it being higher = better feminization, and likely better hair growth as a result. I'd recommend reading his subreddit a bit (/r/drwillpowers), maybe going over his V6.0 powerpoint presentation, etc. Boron is a nice supplement to take to increase free E2 % as it binds to SHBG and prevents it from gobbling up E2. The formula for getting the best feminization is not a simple one: you want your E2 levels high, but not so high that it spikes SHBG and lowers Free E2%. This level is different for everyone, some people can go up to 700pg/mL trough levels without SHBG becoming a problem and others have problems keeping it in line with Dr Powers goals at like 300pg/mL trough.
 

John Difool

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speculation that E receptors are dulled if the E level is stable, and respond better to E if the E level fluctuates.

I never heard about this "speculation" anywhere. In fact if you look at the female model, there are no so called fluctuations. Can you share some references or studies about this 'theory" to make it more credible than just broscience?
 

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That's actually a really good insight, will the additional water mess up the solution though? I may take a sacrificial bottle and try to dilute it 1:1 like that soon to see. 2.5mg seems higher than I really need, given that people in the sublingual study got pretty decent results from like as low as 0.45mg. And the lower I go, hopefully the lower my chances of hypertrichosis/bloat/skin sides.
the only reason to mess it up is if you were using it topical too. then you would need to add Ethanol. But oral, not at all. It's like saying your saliva would mess up the solution you are putting in your mouth.
 

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I'm not trying to be obtuse but are there any studies you know of that point to stable levels being bad? AFAIK, stable levels are preferable in the majority of trans girls doing HRT. This is why I'm on a 3.5 day cycle with EV for example: more stable levels, less intense peaks/valleys. It helps a lot with keeping mood stable and personally I feel like I am getting better results this way too.
You are not obtuse and absolutely spot on on that one. The peaks and valleys are really bad for everything in your body including your hair. I was on EV with 7 days then went to 3.5 days for the same reason. Guess what: hair recovered much faster on smaller cycles. In fact, Lena recommended the half cycle for EV and EEn (she has amazing hair btw.) the fluctuations that are caused by longer cycles are really bad for your hormone balance, your hair (why would I want to have half the E level on the last day?) and to your mood. I can backup what I am saying. I doubt there is any real science on this fluctuating model or any studies showing it's better, because it's not.

What would be the point of using EEn if you are already on a weekly cycle over a 3.5 days on EV? If fluctuation is better why don't try to double the dose and do 30 days while you are at it?
 
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